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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: post office Kate on Friday 06 March 09 12:40 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me with the maiden name of Samuel Turp (1811ish) of Essex's wife Amelia? Many thanks, POK
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Where in Essex? Is 1811 his birth or the year he married Amelia?
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Kate - hi
Do you have them on a census ? About when might they have married ?
Where did Amelia come from ?
Lizb: 1811 :-\
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Thanks Mum- have modified! Slip of the old finger there.
1851 has a 22 yr old Samuel Turp living in Halstead with mother Rebecca and sblings .... might be related somewhere along the line
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Hi again, thanks for the replies. Samuel Turp was born in Pentlow in 1809 or 1811 and Amelia was born in Little Waltham in 1821 or thereabouts. I don't have much more information about this family. This is the family line of my great aunt by marriage Edith Ellen Turp who married George Smith which is something I have discovered on the 1911 census. After spending so much time researching the Smith line I though a name like Turp would be easy but it's not!! Any help would be very much appreciated. ;)
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Which census have you got them on? (assuming these years and places of birth are from a census)
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It must be 1881
I cannot find them on any previous censuses at all.
1881 is not that clear - is it really Turp?
Rg11 1765 90 20
Little Waltham
Samuel Turp? 70 Ag Lab bn Pentlow
Amelia 60 bn L Waltham
We really need to work back gradually and find them in earlier censuses, in order to establish when they might have married, if there were children etc.
Then we might get some pointers to help find her maiden name. (birth cert of child, marriage cert, etc)
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1871
RG12/1664, folio 97 page 19
Samuel Turp, 51, unmarried, b. Pentlow, in Little Waltham along with Ebenzer Turp (age hard to read) and Walter (ditto), both b. Pentlow. Lodgers with Samuel and Elizabeth Jones.
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Bingo. That's my family!! Thanks very much. ;D
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That also fits in with a crime committed by Ebenezer a Walter Turp who I'd been unable to connect. They put tiles in a turnip machine and were sent to prison for 21 days. Ebenezer was 12 or 13 at the time. :-\
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.........but for some reason the ancestry.com RG number starts with 10 and no amount of searching will find me that entry on the 1871 census. Where did you get it from?
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Sorry, that is 'RG10/1664'. They are indexed as "Turp" on OriginsNetwork, which uses different indexes to Ancestry.
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They are indexed on A*y in 1871 as TAYS, Samuel 51, Ebenezer 19 and Walter 16. The family they are with on A*y is Samuel JAMES.
Wonder if this them in 1861
Road to the Rectory, Pentlow, Essex
Samuel TIMP, head mar 35, Ag lab, born Essex, Pentlow
Harriet TIMP, wife mar 34, Ag lab's wife, born Essex, ??
William TIMP, son 13, Ag lab, born Essex, Pentlow
Nebukedingel TIMP, Ag lab, son 10, born ditto
Walter TIMP, son 8, Scholar, born ditto
RG9/1127/F118/P8
There are no TIMP births in Essex that coincide with these guys but there are TURP, William Mar qtr 1849, Unnamed Male Mar qtr 1851 and Walter Sep qtr 1853, all Sudbury RD which covers Pentlow. The census image looks like TURP.
So Amelia must have been his second wife. Harriet has died Dec qtr 1864, Sudbury.
In 1851 they are in Pentlow, but indexed on A*y as SHROPE. How you get that from TURP I do not know. ??? ??? ???
Aggis Lane, Pentlow
Samuel TURP, head mar 25, Ag lab, born Essex, Pentlow
Harriett TURP, wife mar 24, Platter, born Essex, Foxearth
William TURP, son u 2, At home, born Essex, Pentlow
Ebenezer TURP, son unm 7wks, At home, born ditto
HO107/1788/F12P17
Ian C
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There is a marriage on FreeBMD in Dec qtr 1872 for a Samuel TURP, Chelmsford, 4a 327. There is only one possible bride noted, a Millicent OLIVER. There should be a second one. Chelmsford RD covers Little Waltham, where Amelia was born.
The other Samuel in 1872 on FreeBMD should be William.
Ebezezer TURP married the same quarter Cherlmsford 4a 338. Samuel is with them in Great Leighs in 1891. Ebenezer is called John in 1901. Edith Ellen your great aunt looks like Ebenezer/John and Catherine's daughter.
Ian C
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Many thanks everyone. I have added all your information to my tree. I have looked at the handwritten entries on the censuses and when you know the name should be Turp it is obvious. :D
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Hello,
Ebeneezer Turp was my great grandfather who was married to Catherine (Millbank) - Edith Ellen born 1892 was Ebeneezer's daughter.
Have you any more information on the family, we do have Samuel born 1848, he was Eb's dad, we also have a John Turp (Samuel's Dad) born 1806 - all from Pentlow.
Regards
:)
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Hi,
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly, my email address is:- (*).
I have been researching the Turps for about 3 years with my sister, we have found out many things, but do not have any photos as yet. I would love to see any you may have.
Edith was the youngest daughter of Ebeneezer and Catherine, Sonny her brother born in 1899 sadly died in action in the first world war - we are attempting to investigate his records.
Kind regards
Mary Knight
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I think Samuel Turp is my Gt Gt Grandfather. I will look at what I have found out and e mail you some time next week. Sue B
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I have found a photo of Ebenezer and it is on my family tree on ancestry.com if you would like to have a look. My tree is called smith_family_tree. Best regards, Cathy