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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: JudyLynn on Thursday 05 March 09 22:22 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I'm looking for direction in tracing my GGGGrandmother, Mary Ann (DAWES / DAWE).
A cousin found her baptismal record in Bere Ferris Church in 1817 as the daughter of Peter DAWES, a miner, & Betsey ___. However, for unknown reasons, the "abode" of the family was listed as Redruth, Cornwall. So I'm not sure where the family actually originated. Am hoping to find Peter & Betsey DAWES in in Bere Ferris for 1841 and/or 1851, perhaps with other family -- don't know whether the couple had additional children.
Would also appreciate a check for daughter Mary Ann (DAWES) & husband Elisha MURTON in Bere Ferris for the same census years. They married in Bere Ferris in 1839 and were in Gunnislake, Cornwall, by 1858. Kids were born starting 1840.
Thanks in advance for any and all help you might provide!
~JudyLynn in Pennsylvania
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Hi JudyLynn
Here's 'alf-in-'alf, to begin with:
1841: Pepper St - Beer Ferris, Hundred of Roborough, Tavistock, Devon
HO107 / Piece 240 / Book: 3 /Folio: 12 / Pg 18
Elisha MURTON 25, Miner T L - Not born in Devon
Mary Ann MURTON 20, b in Devon
Mary Ann MURTON 1, b in Devon
On same page, also a Pepper St:
John DAWE 55, Ag Lab
Ann DAWE 50
Samuel DAWE 20
James DAWE 15
Ann DAWE 14
ALL born in Devon
1851: 30 Pepper St - Beer Ferris, Tavistock, Devon
HO107 / Piece: 1883 / Folio: 20 / Pg 32
Head: Peter DAWS 57, Lead Miner, b Redruth Cornwall
Wife: Betsy DAWS 56, b Beer Ferris, Devon
Dau: Rebekah DAWS 18, unm, b Plympton St Mary, Devon
Dau: Emma DAWS 16, unm, b Plympton St Mary, Devon
Son: Joseph DAWS 13, Lead Miner. b Plympton St Mary, Devon
Visitor: Jane CARTHEW 44, wid, b Redruth Cornwall
Lodger: William BURGAN 27, unm, Lead Miner, b St Ewe, Cornwall
Lodger: AbrahamBURGAN 21, unm. Lead Miner, b Newlin East Cornwall
Cheers
AMBLY
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1841: Pepper St - Beer Ferris, Hundred of Roborough, Tavistock, Devon
HO107 / Piece 240 / Book: 3 /Folio: 15, pg 25
Peter DAWE 45, Miner T L
Betsy DAWE 45
Francis DAWE 20, Miner T L
William DAWE 15
Elizabeth DAWE 14
John DAWE 12
Issac DAWE 9
Rebecca DAWE 9
Emma DAWE 7
Joseph DAWE 4
ALL born in Devon except Peter.
Next Household, same page & street
William DAWE 45, Miner T L
Hanah DAWE 35
Mary DAWE 15
Francis DAWE 14 (male)
William DAWE 9
John DAWE 7
Nathaniel DAWE 5
Peter DAWE 2
ALL born in Devon except William Snr.
T L = I believe is Tin Lead (ie a Tin Lead Miner)
Cheers
AMBLY
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The MURTON's took a bit of flushing out.....they were enumerated a MOURTON ;D
1851: 2 Frog Street - Beer Alston, Tavistock, Devon
HO107 / Piece: 1883 / Folio: 64 / Pg 64
Head: Elisha MOURTON 37, Miner, b Gwenap, Cornwall
Wife: Mary Ann MOURTON, 34, b Beerferris, Devon
Dau: Mary Ann MOURTON, 11, Mine Girl
Son: George MOURTON, 9, Mine Boy
Son: Elisha MOURTON, 7, Mine Boy
Dau: Elizabeth MOURTON, 5, Scholar
Dau: Susannah Annis MOURTON, 3, Scholar
Dau: Eliza MOURTON, 1,
Visitor: Isaac DAWS 18, unm, Miner, b Plymouth Devon
[ALL the MOURTON children enumerated as born in Beerferris]
Those poor little wee'uns working at the mine :'(
Different times indeed!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Peter & Besty moved to Cornwall before 1861 - not sure if you have this:
1861 - RG9 - Piece: 1462 - Folio: 25 - Pg 43
Address: Nagwell? Vagwell? - Calstock, Cornwall
Head: Peter DAWS 67, Copper Miner, b Redruth, Cornwall
Wife: Betey DAWS 66, b Beerferris, Cornwall
Next but one below them, same address, is this household of a Peter DAWS 41, tin miner b St Mewans Cornwall and his Beerferris born wife Mary 44, plus their 2 miner sons: Richard 17and Peter 14 also b Beerferris. Also in the house is a 14 yr od Niece, Jane CHANNON b Beerferris.
The enumerated address for the housefold (not them) at the top of the page is: Gunnislake.
Then it changes to Address: Nagwell? (Vagwell) for the rest of the page. The first new house on the next page is at Hatches Green.
Cheers
AMBLY
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'alf and 'alf plus another 'alf :-) Thank you SO much, Ambly; you went above and beyond. And thanks to my private messenger, too!
I am thrilled with the new information, and suspect my apartment will yet again escape a good cleaning this weekend as I study these leads and guess how to follow them further. (Hmph, must you be so incredibly quick about it? Monday would’ve been ever so much better ...)
Ha ha,
~JL in PA
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Hi JL
Firstly Pepper Street is now Cornwall Street & the houses are tiny! I have a friend with two children living there pushed for space. Also the street is in Bere Alston where the money side of things took place. There are several houses that were 'count' houses. All the mining took place outside of the village. One of the largest mines was 'The Great Consol Mine' but there was so many & the nearby port at Morwellham on the River Tamar was one of the biggest in the world.
I have three baptism records.
Mary Ann Dawes 6/4/1817
William Dawes 24/12/1815
William Vigus Daws 24/9/1824
Francis Dawes 31/3/1822
Marriage Peter Dawe & Elizabeth Vigus 24/12/1814. I will have to check the microfiche again for fathers names.
Death William Dawes 1/2/1816 aged 10weeks. It could be the above William as the timing is bang on. Also in 1859-1860 there was a large cholera outbreak in the villages. In 1847 there was an Anna Dawes who died aged 4. I could look & check her baptism record to find if she was one of the family? It also look like Francis died aged 27 in 1849 (spelt Dawe in this case).
When the wether is better I'll check out Bere Alston graveyard & see if I can find any headstones.
Regards Suzanne
Bere Alston
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Suzanne, I appreciate your perspective on “how things are” around Bere Alston as much as your factual records! However, I’m unfamiliar with the term “count houses” -- what exactly were they in Devon during the mid-1800s?
Thank you for thinking of looking up those baptisms. Were those the only ones in that time period? Or were you searching only for Peter & Betsey DAWE’s eldest children? At what church were these baptisms recorded?
I already have Mary Ann’s parents confirmed, but if you have any spare time to look up the other three kids, that would be great -- especially William Vigus DAWES ... whose parentage would point toward the marriage record you discovered! I would very much love to learn the fathers’ names of that bride and groom, and where they wed – and whether the groom was recorded as being born in Redruth, Cornwall! (I’m trying not to get excited about your finding her maiden name -- yet!)
I’m wondering about the Peter DAWS (age 41) found two doors down from Peter & Betsy in 1861. His age would seem to fit as one of Peter & Betsy’s children, born between Mary Ann and Francis. Yet he was not found living with Peter & Betsy in 1841. Could someone please attempt a lookup for this Peter “Jr.” age 21 in the 1841 census? Perhaps married to Mary ___ by that time; one child was born by 1844.
The IGI does have the baptism of a Peter DAWS:
parents Peter & Elizabeth -- mineminemine :-)
bap. 25 Dec 1819 in Saint Mewan, Cornwall
(which I now see is near St. Austell; not around Calstock or Redruth where my clan was known to have resided ... hmmm ...)
Thanks so much, rootschatters!
~JudyLynn
PS: I’ll post later theories on this gang in the general “Devon” category, to separate it from “Lookup Requests.”
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Hi JL
Hopefully I can check the Dawe marriage for you on Friday (17 month old baby permitting! He shouts a lot.) Forgot to say the married in Bere Ferres at the church as she was from there. Same for the baptisms. Holy Trinity in Bere Alston wasn't built until 1848.
I'll try & look for the others at a later date.
A 'count house' was a mine account office were the business side of things took place. I go to the local history meetings when I can & have a brilliant book of the village where there is lots of info & photos that they produced.
Regards Suzanne
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HI JL
Peter Dawe that you previously mentioned was the son of William & Hannah Dawe. William in 1841 is aged 45 & not born in Devon. He is also a miner. Peter is aged 2 & is one of 6 children. William & Hannah married in 1824. No record of their children being baptied I also can't see them in the 1851 census as yet.
Regards Suzanne
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Wait, wait -- we're talking about two different young Peters!
William & Hannah DAWE did indeed have a 2-year-old son Peter (b. circa 1839) living with them for the 1841 census. I'm not interested in him just yet.
Ambly's reply #4 mentions that living a couple doors away from Peter & Betsey DAWE in 1861 (outside Gunnislake) was the family of Peter & Mary DAWS. This Peter was born circa 1819). It's this potential "Peter Jr." who I hope to find in the 1841 census of Beer Ferris, around age 21.
I appreciate your checking anyway :-) And thanks for identifying the church. Can you share the title of the book you mentioned? Maybe I should consider expanding my library ::)
I will welcome info on the marriage of Peter & the VINGUS woman whenever you can get to it!
Give an extra hug to your wee lad for sharing his mum's time with me,
~JudyLynn
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Hi Jl
Wee lad very poorly so visit posponed :(. I'll check when I can.
Suzanne
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Hi Suzanne,
Hope Wee Lad is feeling better! I would still very much like to learn about that DAWE-VIGUS marriage when you have a chance -- or if anybody else out there can help. Since it appears the DAWEs came from Cornwall originally, perhaps the VIGUS family were true Devonites!
Have a good weekend,
~JL
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Hi Jl
Totally for got to tell you as we have all been ill & Seb is now coughing after his ear infection & my daughter now has the ear thing. Add to that my cold & it's a happy household!
Anyway I did look at the parish microfiche & it's all pretty inconclusive. Both were of age & both had parents consent & both were sojourners. No clues at all except the witnesses were not relatives. That's quite common where my husband's family came from in Cornwood. I think as their child had the middle name if Vigus that his mother was Elizabeth Vigus. I have found so many people who have done that in my tree. I even revised the tradition by giving Seb my maiden name as his middle name. Sorry there was no more.
All The Best
Suzanne
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Goodness, Suzanne -- pass hot toddies all 'round and be done with the sickhouse! Thank you again for your time, and your quick response today. Get well soon!
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Now, may I beg anyone else for my remaining lookup under this topic?
I'm searching for Peter DAWS / DAWE. This Peter "Jr." was born in St. Mewans, Cornwall, circa 1819, so age would be about 21. He is not listed with the folks I believe may be his parents (Peter & Betsy DAWE) in Beer Ferris, but I expect him to be nearby.
I know he had a child born in 1844; there may have been other kids born by 1841. Also, he might have been married (to Mary ___) by 1841 ... or maybe not! In case he was living with relatives, one clue is that his mother's surname might have been VIGUS.
Thanks in advance for helping me finish my "to-do" list!
~JudyLynn
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Hello JudyLynn:
Mary Dawes is also in my tree as my GGGGrandmother. It seems we are researching the same branches. In 1871 census Mary Ann Dawes Murton (widowed) is living in Calstock, Gunnislake with children Susanna, Wm. J., Joseph H. Alfred and Eliza as well as Emma Vigus, Aunt. Emma is shown as being unmarried in previous census so she is not her father's sister and I think not her mother's sister. I believe that Mary Ann's parents are John Dawe and Ann Strike (per LDS) Dawe who lived next door to them on Pepper St. Ann Strike Dawe's brother Richard Strike's daughter married a Mary Vigus. This Mary Vigus would be first cousin to Mary Ann Dawes, therefore the unmarried aunt who lived close by may have been considered a kind of aunt. I could send you some info that I sketched out using various sources if you can figure out how to email me. I can't figure out how to email you and very much like to speak with you. My great grandfather George Murton was born in Shamokin, PA
Thanks.
Kathy
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Dear 4TH COUSIN Kathy!
I didn't even know whether Great-Great-Uncle George's kids had lived to adulthood! How wonderful of you to find me :-)
I would love to hear anything and everything about your side of the family. I believe Uncle George was married to Mary JAMES? Where did his family settle? My side remained around Shamokin, and the third Cornish sibling, Elisha MURTON, settled in Schuylkill Co.
I'm unfamiliar with the John DAWE & Ann (STRIKE) you mention, and would appreciate a note as to your research to that point. If you get a chance to check my other posts, you'll see I have reason to believe that our GGGGrandma Mary Ann (DAWES) MURTON was the daughter of Peter DAWE & Elizabeth "Betsey" (VIGUS). If I'm correct, the Emma VIGUS you found could've been a sister to Betsey, and so would indeed have been Mary Ann's true aunt. How old was Emma in the 1871 census? And with whom was she found in the census of 1861, of 1851, & of 1841?
We have much to discuss and share! Let's start using RootsChat private messages -- if you go to the very top of this page when you're logged in, it will say "Welcome back, KLavis, you have 1 message" (or however many). Just click on the "1 message" link and it'll take you to your inbox. I'll go send a message now.
Hooray for rootschat.com!
~JudyLynn
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Hi Both,
I think you have to have posted three times before you can PM - Kathy needs to respond twice more - I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Laurina
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Thanks ladies. I don't see a reply button so I will try the three posts.
Kathy
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Hi Both,
I think you have to have posted three times before you can PM - Kathy needs to respond twice more - I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Laurina
Apparently not, Laurina! But thanks for the word of caution in the midst of our excitement :)
~JL
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In my husband's family we have Peter Dawe born 1848 Bere Ferris, married Esther Charlotte Peardon in 1876, son of Francis Dawe born abt 1820.