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can anyone help me find a link between two sets of ancestors.
the Rhodes family - George Rhodes (b 1820) married Ellen Pollitt (b1821) and had several children (frederick, mary ellen, william arthur, george I, josiah, henry A) and they lived in Hanley, staffs.
one of those children was called Ada Rhodes b 1864 and she married Thomas Jones b 1854 of runcorn. she then lived in runcorn after the marriage. She had a niece called Annabel Smith. i think she was married to someone in Capt edward john smith's (ie the capt of the titanic) family. He lived from 1850 - 1912) But i cant find out who she married or if there is another link between the Rhodes family and Capt of the titanic family. the Smiths were also brought up in Hanley.
i suspect mary ellen rhodes married a sibling of capt smiths.
can anyone help?
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1851 census, Well street Hanley
Edward Smith age 46 grocer
Catherine age 42 wife
Edward John age 1
Thirza Hancock Daughter age 22.
1861 still in Well street
Edward age 56 grocer
Catherine age 51
George Hancock age 2 G/son
Ellen Pivat?? age 22...
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thanks hepburn, shows that on the right track.
the hancocks were half siblings as edwards smiths mother had been married previously.
i need a brother or sister - or uncle or aunt with Smith surname who married into the Rhodes family i think.
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Just clarifing ....I think Ellen is (Privet) her birth is Staffordshire BMD and Free BMD1838.17 146.
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http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/index.html
Put Rhodes in here with Smith as spouse.....nothing.......Anything else to go on?
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Not sure of this one.....Wolstanton 1880 a Frederick Smith to either Sarah Bromley ,or a Mary Ellen Rhodes....
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Any dates for Annabel?
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I think that Mary Ellen Rhodes the daughter of George and Ellen more likely married in Runcorn in 1880 to George Priestman, as the family were living in Runcorn in 1871 and 1881, and there is a good match for Mary and George in 1881. Given that we also have half-siblings of the Rhodes family under the surname Martin listed in 1861 - Ellen Barrat Pollitt married possibly George Martin in 1846, Ellen Barratt Martin married George Rhodes in 1855 - it's not clear exactly what the surname of Annabel's mother might be.
So, yes, let's try and trace Annabel, as she's the only firm link we have at the moment.
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Hi - Hepburn and others - thanks for contributing - no i have no dates for Annabel Smith - have a copy of Ada Jones (nee rhodes born in 1864) will - and she leaves things to "her niece Annabel Smith"
the "talk" in my late grandfathers family was that Ada's sister was linked to the Smiths. As i can only find one sister for Ada (Mary Ellen Rhodes I have see if i can find who she married.
i have also found that in 1901 - Edward Smith and his wife Sarah Eleanor Pennington (born in 1861 and he married her in 1887 in Winwick) and their daughter Helen Melville were all visiting Thomas Jones and his wife Ada ....(nee rhodes) ............ Also it is passed down that a sailor survivor (yet to find his name) used to regually visit Ada after the ship went down ......so there is certainly a link - its just finding it.
I originally thought the link was through Sarah Pennington - that may be her father /parents were linked to the Rhodes. But i can only find out who her father was - called william - her mother and grandwmother are unknown
yes Mary Ellen's mother married George Martin and had two children - rosanna and charles before she married george rhodes
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The other angle on this is that maybe Annabel Smith was a niece on Ada Jones (nee rhodes) husband's side. Especially if the comment on here that Mary Ellen Rhodes (adas sister) didnt marry a Smith but George Priestman is true.
but trying to trace a common name like Jones is really tough.
he is in the 1901 census as living in runcorn with ada , their daugther Norah and edward john smith (the capt of titanic) and sarah his wife were visiting. in the 1891 census in runcorn too.
it states here that he was born in 1854.
I know that Thomas Jones was in the brewerey business as a licensed victuller.
could do with finding his parents and siblings.
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There are two Martin daughters listed in 1861 - Rosanna, 11, and Ann, 9.
Ann may be listed as Rhodes in 1871 (she is at the same address as Ada).
I think Rosanna may have married William Ringland in 1867 - they are together in Hanley in 1871 and 1881 - no Annabel(le) there.
Annie Martin may have married Richard Hall (poss in 1873) - they have a son George Rhodes Hall b. Hanley and are together in Stoke-on-Trent in 1881.
There is a 27-year-old Thomas Jones in Runcorn in 1881 living with father Thomas Jones from Wales, his occupation brewer, father's occupation brewer and hotel keeper. There are several sisters.
When was Ada Jones' will written? By that time, might Annabel have been married?
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thanks - good stuff. didnt know about william ringland.
have found that 3 Ringlands (May, elsie, Rosa aged 15,13 and11) were living with Nora (nee rhodes) and Thomas Jones in 1891 in Runcorn. So something must have happened to their parents - William and rosanna Ringland
these are the children of Ada's half sister - more nieces
the will was written in 1936 - when ada was in her eighties. i am assuming smith was annabels married surname. Am hoping her maiden name is Jones and that she is one of Thomas Jones sisters children.
i dont have an ann rhodes on the 1871 census in runcorn -
it is george rhodes, ellen rhodes, mary ellen rhodes, william albert, george (timmie - thnik the timmie bit is a mistake) rhodes, jodiah (should be josiah) rhodes and richard Pollitt who is ellens father.
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They weren't in Runcorn - Ada Rhodes and Annie "Rhodes" are in Hanley in 1871 with their aunt, Mary Appleby (49, a widow b. Hanley - George's sister? - there's a possible marriage in 1849 for Mary Rhodes and Joseph Appleby).
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ok thanks - i'll look at that.
yes mary was george rhodes sister -
how are you finding out about these marriages? - i can trace the males easily enough though the different census years - but loose the females once they leave the childhood home - unless i happen to have other info that links them.
where is it that you are looking? how did you find she married an appleby for eg and the info youve given above about female marriages?
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I use a combination of freebmd.rootsweb.com and looking for women of the right age and birthplace in the census (first-name searches only). You might just have to trace all the various branches forward (Ada and Thomas' siblings children) until you find an Annabel, then see if you can find her marrying a Smith (perhaps some cousin of Captain Smith?)
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thanks for this - its ceratinly effective as youve managed to find marriages i didnt know about
still want to bottom mary ellen rhodes marriage (was it george priestman for sure) and if so what children were there and did that child marry a smith
then thomas jones siblings and children - did he have sisters/brothers that had an annabel that married a smith
then capt smiths uncles (as i dont think he had a full brother or sister) did they marry into the Rhodes/jones
then go back to the lots of other half brothers/sisters and other rhodes descendants.
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Have you seen this page on Wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Smith
It has his parents info, plus other family names included.
If you read thru the info its also possible to work out where he was at and when from his service history and family info.
Gaille
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ok - still trying to bottom this one. firstly to look at mary ellen rhodes.
Can anyone help me find the decenents, children and grandchilren of Mary ellen Rhodes?
she married George Priestman and was living with him and their children (john, marion, and george rhodes priestman) in 1891 in west derby, lancs. She was born in Wheelock in 1858.
I'd like to establish
1. who her children married.
2. did any of them marry a Smith ( ie into capt smiths family)
3. did she marry twice
4. when did she and her husband george die?
can anyone help?
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gaille - just to say thanks for the info. i didnt notice your post until just now.
have looked at the site you recommend and it does provide more info so thanks - good info on geography of where he lived.
i am aware of the relative s mentioned - his wife and daughter and his parents. very mcuh like to find a full brother (therefore with his surname) or even a sister ....
someone from his family married into the rhodes siblings somehow. i want to rule our mary ellen/ her decendents from any marriage into the family and then will move on to thomas jones siblings .....
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getting a bit closer
Found out that thomas jones (b 1858 runcorn, who married ada rhodes) owned The New Inn, runcorn (60A High Street).
he owned the navigation brewery, canal street, runcorn which ceased brewing in 1906.
Also that he was executor of Capt Edward John Smiths will and a great friend.
there are a couple of thomas jones listed as born in runcorn for this date - but i think his mother and father were anne and thomas jones , siblings, john, elinda, walter, victoria, annie, jessie, florence. this is the family that resided at high street.
therefore...possible that one of these chilren married into the smith family .......
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things are going a bit slow at the moment.
not really got any infor on thomas jones siblings and their childrne yet.
have been looking again at the rhodes siblings.
frederick rhodes b 1856, wheelock , married alice amelia b 1869
they moved to hanley by 1901 census (capt of titanics birthplace) and had 2 children mabel and cyril.
mary ellen rhodes married george priestman
george rhodes didnt get married - or at least he is living as a bacheolr with his brother frderick and family in 1901
william married anne in 1896 in toxteth park
henry albert howver MARRIED A SMITH!
she was called eleanor smith and they married in 1900. her father was born in 1850 called john smith b 1850 in halliwell in lancs. her siblings in the 1891 census were harold and eva.
is this just a coincidence? was eleanor edwards cousin??? how do i find edward smiths (ie titanic capt) uncles? edwards father (guess what - called edward smith) was born in 1805 (see 1851 census for edward john smith aged 1 ) but i dont know how to find his siblings?
in 1901 also eleanor and her relatively new husband are living with his mother ellen and guess who is next door ? edward smith (the capt of titanic) as a visitor to thomas jones and ada jones (nee rhodes) - (henrys sister)
can anyone help establish if this is the smith link? is eleanor smith who maried into the rhodes the link to capt of the titanic?
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hi all,
i have now looked now at most of the siblings children on the rhodes and jones side and still cannot find an annabel smith who i know was the recipient of ada jones will (and probably the marriage link to capt of titanic)
can anyone help?
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HI
Can't remember if you have posted this info or not and theat maybe I have overlooked it, but when did Ada Jones nee Rhodes pass away.
Ar you certain as to whether Smith may have been Annabels married name or maiden name?
Wendy
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Hi
Ada Jones passed away in 1938.
No - i do not know if smith was a married or maiden name for annabel.
any help would be welcome.