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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: LoneyBones on Thursday 05 March 09 07:57 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm looking for a death of Maurice/Mauris THOMAS.
NOT Mauris THOMAS who died in Molong in 1890.
The one I want is that Mauris's father.
Three brothers THOMAS, Maurice, John & Nicholas, and Maurice's two sons Maurice/Mauris and Charles, arrived in SA, 1848.
They were pioneers in copper smelting at the Bremmer River, SA. Then moved to Newcastle, NSW.
Other family members came to Australia later.
The family were mostly in copper mining so Maurice Snr could have died in the copper districts of SA or in Newcastle or Cobar, NSW, or Peak Downs Qld.
I haven't been able to find him in NSW.
He was born in Illogan, Cornwall, 1804.
His parents were Elizabeth & Maurice.
Any help appreciated, as always.
Leonie.
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Hi Leonie,
No sign of it in SA. The only one is only 6 hours old. (Son of Maurice) 21 Jun 1862 Callington Dist Str 14 311
BISA for this one
Thomas MAURIE Arrived by 1848 Occ Smelter Residence Callington Married nee Bonnin Ch. son (1862-1862)
(No entry for any other Maurice Thomas)
Kris :)
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That's one of mine. They kept losing their Maurices. The Bonnin-Thomas marriage had two they lost.
Thanks Kris.
Leonie.
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Hi Leonie,
I admit to getting a bit confused over different spellings etc, but thought there is nothing lost by putting these 2 up as the names seem to be part of your group
At the Southern Pioneer Cemetery
THOMAS, Charles. 24 March 1895 aged 50 years. Mine accident.
THOMAS, Maurice. 28 May 1892 aged 35 years. Mine accident.
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/OtherCems/southerncross.htm
Sue
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Well they sure look like mine Sue. But they don't fit in any of what I have so far.
I do have a few THOMAS's who I haven't put into my Legacy program and of course when they're in emails and in my ring-binders they're not so easy to find. ::)
There was a whole lot of them went to Chile then back to Cornwall then out here to Australia.
At least three brothers THOMAS and two sons migrated. So that's a posible five families to work with.
I'll make a note of these two deaths (somewhere) and fit them in as I do more research.
Thanks a lot,
Leonie.
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Hello again from Barbatalice
I too am looking for information on the death of Mauris/Maurice THOMAS (the father!) or for that matter any information on his movements after he left South Australia.
My only clue so far is that a Mauris THOMAS and a Martha THOMAS were witnesses on a marriage certificate in Melbourne August 31, 1859.
The bride is MaryAnn KIDD (a widow) formerly Mary Ann THOMAS, the daughter of Mauris/Maurice THOMAS (the father). While the witness could be her brother Mauris it could also be her father. I have no idea who Martha THOMAS is (a new wife?)
I have read an unsourced document that suggests that Mauris/Maurice THOMAS (the father) went to Melbourne, had some property dealings there, remarried and then left Australia altogether. This would explain why we can't find a record of his death in Australia. Unfortunately I can't verify any of this.
On the topic of witnesses:
On the marriage certificate of Annie Thomas KIDD (daughter of Mary Ann THOMAS) and Robert Watson MILLER, 27 Feb 1872 at Peak Downs, the witnesses are Lonelybones' ancestors Mauris THOMAS (the son) and Susannah Maria THOMAS ( the daughter-in-law). It all seems to be going around in very complicated circles.
Cheers
barbatalice
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Hi Barbatalice, :D
I have Maurice jnr in Glenelg, SA, 1861, Newcastle, NSW, 1868; Peak Downs, Qld, 1873, then Bourke, NSW, 1875.
Also, Mr Maurice THOMAS was managing the copper smelting department at Peak Downs, 1870.
I can't think the Maurice snr would return to Chile, so the other option would be back to Cornwall.
He isn't on the 1841 or 1851 census. And I can't find a death for him in Cornwall. (I tried 1851 to 1905, all spellings.)
So I guess he must have died somewhere in Australia. ???
Leonie.
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I haven't found a death record for Mauris THOMAS (senior) but I have found a 2nd marriage for him which locates him in Melbourne in 1856
Date and location of marriage : Weslyean House Cottage Melbourne 12 Feb 1856
Bride:
Maryann KYLE
residence Melbourne
spinster
aged 21
born Londonderry Ireland
parents Samuel KYLE (farmer) and Sarah KYLE
Groom: Mauris THOMAS
residence Melbourne
widower (1855)
aged 52
occupation unclear - licensed .......??
children from 1st marriage 4 living, 5 dead
born Illogan Cornwall
parents Mauris THOMAS (occupation unclear - could be miner) and Elizabeth WILLIAMS
So this is our Mauris THOMAS. Now to find out what happened to him next!
Cheers
Barbatalice
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Hi again,
another piece of the puzzle. :D
Leonie.
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HI TO ALL THE MAURICE THOMAS LOOK UPS.
MY GGRANDMA WAS ONE OF THE TWO DAUGHTERS HE LEFT HOME WITH HIS WIFE.
AS FAR AS THE TWO THOMAS NEWHEWS BIG RESEARCH GOES HE LEFT THE COUNTRY
HAVE A BIT ON HIS MINING DEALS WITH HIS SONS======= FRED THOMAS GAVE ME BEFORE HE PAST ON .
LOBURT
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Don't know if this is of any use.......
There are two births to Mauris THOMAS and Mary Ann KYLE in Victoria.....
Havilah Sarah THOMAS born in 1857 in Melb
Ref = 9200
Martha Price THOMAS born 1859 in Nth Melb
Ref = 10773
It looks like the death of a son John THOMAS, aged 46, born Cornwall, father Maurice THOMAS & mother Elizabeth, died 1857.
Ref = 5286
Dee
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Hi Lobert, a new 'cousin' welcome to the clan. :D
That would have been Emmaline?
Any new information is welcome.
Thanks Dee, do you have where John THOMAS died?
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Not sure if you have these but may give some clues as to places and dates. They may or may not be your persons, and they don't add much more information.
NLA's digitised newspapers have the following:
South Australian Advocate October 1858
Insolvency of Charles Thomas and Mauris Thomas, the younger, of Callington, millers, trading as C & M Thomas.
SMH Sept 1874
'Mr Mauris THOMAS writing from the mine of Southern Cobar Copper Company....'
Brisbane Courier 16 Nov 1874
Forfeiture of lands. The following lands have been declared forfeited:....2560 acres acres leased by Mauris Thomas
and 250 acres by William in the district of Clermont
The Argus (Melbourne) May 1857
Applications for licencing: Thomas, Mauris, City Hotel, Madeline St
SMH 2 January 1890
Death Notice: THOMAS, at his residence Cudal, Mauris Thomas aged 59 years. (Could just be 39 but 59 looks more like it) I guess this is the younger one that you already have.
The Argus 1859
Patent application for washing powder Mr Mauris THOMS of Collingwood.
The Argus 1868 and other dates
Mauris Thomas, manager Burwood Wharf Newcastle
There may be more................... I searched using Mauris+thomas
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Judith
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Thanks Judith. :D
That's all new stuff.
I don't think I've done an NLA Papers search for any THOMAS's. I've done the Adelaide papers but didn't think to do national. :-\
Leonie.
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Hi Lobert, a new 'cousin' welcome to the clan. :D
That would have been Emmaline?
Any new information is welcome.
Thanks Dee, do you have where John THOMAS died?
Sorry Leonie, place of death isn't listed.
I have found the following though......
Thos Jno THOMAS aged 81 died in 1910 at Hcote
Father= Maurice THOMAS & Mother = Elizth JOHNS
Ref = 9243
Dee :)
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Thanks Dee.
I'll slot him in somewhere.
He doesn't fit with any of mine. BUT, when you get back to Cornwell parish records, there are quite a few Maurice/Mauris THOMAS's. The must all connect up if you go back far enough. I just haven't got back that far yet. ;D
They actually go back to Wales, and I guess you then get into the patronymics ::) I'm not ready for that again yet.
The one consistant thing though is that they're basically miners. Altho' one line out of Cornwell were medical people. I think a couple of the ones who came to Australia were in the medical line as well.
Barbatalice has a whole lot more info than me, I think.
One day we might get a lot more of it on my Yuku site. Then all the 'cousins' can have a go at it.
Leonie.
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Hi I was just reading your look ups about Mauris Thomas Jr When Mauris Jr sold his property MORIALTA (Aboriginal for Waterfall) to Mr William John Carrol, grazier of Orange in 1885 for $1050. Mauris took the family to Cudal where he owned a General store.
He died there on the 23 Dec 1889 at the age of 58 years ,his occupation was recorded as storekeeper .a mundane occupation after what he and his little family had been through
Susannah's epitaph on the headstone was apt
Light after darkness,gain after loss
Strength after weakness, crown after cross
Sweet after bitter,hope after fears
Home after wandering, praise after tears
Mauris had built five smelting works, a truly great pioneering effort in establishing copper mining as a productive Australian i industry
From Fred Thomas and Fred Eilis's Notes Loburt
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It is apt.
Susannah's father died the day the family arrived in Adelaide from England.
He had been a very well respected builder in England but suffered losses when building work dropped off. He had to beg from his creditors just to get enough money to migrate.
Maurice's death wasn't actually registered 'til Jan 1890, in Molong. About 20 miles or so north east of Cudal.
Leonie.