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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: shaunadavid on Wednesday 04 March 09 20:20 GMT (UK)
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HI, After coming back from a once in a lifetime trip, I am sorting through some old photos that were given to me. Unfortunately they are in very poor shape and I was hoping some kind person could work their magic and bring them back to life.
I have 3 photos that I'd like to submit and I will put them on different posts. Thank you very much for your help.
For those that looked earlier, I have reposted the photo with a higher rez.
Shauna
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One from me
Irene
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A try from me
Terry
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Whew! Those are good, my one is nowhere near as clear....
Ho hum, back to the drawing board :-[
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Then again, it's surprising what a splash of paint can do.
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What an unusal Photo ...here's a sepia tidy up ..... ;)
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hi folks,
what a lovely picture. these dresses look like a national costume Shauna, or at least something very different from the ones we usually get.
do you know what it is. haven't the restorers done a superb job on it too
rabbit b :)
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I couldn't make up my mind if the one holding the baby was a man or a woman ???
Terry
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hi terry,
looks like grandma to me, no man has hands that slim. do they. i was going to say then i looked at the original again ???
the original pic has larger hands but the skirt indicates a woman to me.
rabbit b ;D
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Still not sure :o Where's Shauna to put me out of my misery :D :D :D
Terry
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I saw a pointed beard when I looked at the larger version.
I've been looking at Ukrainian National Costume but can't decide.
The person has quite large hands for a female.
Gadget
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hi terry, hi gadget,
well at least we now know about the nationality.
thanks for that
gadget, would the males wear a sort of dress, there certainly is a pointed chin alright. what about the underskirt as well, it looks like a petticoat doesn't it.
rabbit b ;D
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Here's one link:
http://www.wumag.kiev.ua/wumag_old/archiv/1_97/dress.htm
If you scroll down, the outfit does look a wee bit like the woman's costume on the left of the page.
Gadget - undecided :-\
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I still think it might be a man, just the way he/she is sitting and the foot on the 'stone'
Terry
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I'm 98% sure it's a man, Terry :)
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I'm with you Gadget, wish Shauna would hurry back ::)
Terry
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I'll e-mail her and see if she can come back :)
We were up pretty late the other night trying to get the image scanned correctly - I feel that I know every mark and pixel on both images ;D
Gadget
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Great...hope she's 'at home' :o :D :D :D
Terry
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I certainly think it's a fellow holding the baby .. Like Gadget says,..... I 'm sure there is a small beard present! ;D
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hi polldoll,
having had a very close look i tend to agree.
but having said that, and studied the site that gadget put up. i couldn't find any reference to men at all.
rabbit b ;D
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Didn't spot the earlier post that said it was Ukraine, and worked out that the photographers address was Yalta ! For what it is worth, I tend towards the idea that it is a man
Robert
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I'm BAAACK. Sorry I was incongnito for a bit. I caught a nasty flu and really didn't feel much to being upright!
I always thought it was a woman, but Rabbit (I think) was right in guessing it was Ukrainian. As for national dress... Umm... I really don't know. There was a huge language barrier when we received these photos and the only person that I knew that was there when the photos were exchanged is gone now, so I can't talk to them.
The bottom right does spell Yalta which is in the Crimea. The story went something like this. Here are some pictures of your family. The little one is your dad's grampa, the baby is Baba Shura and the family one is Baba Shura's mother.
There was never any mention of the father, but there definately was one. Both mom and pop worked as domestic and coachman in the "Rich officer house" prior to the revolution. When Shura was 18 or so, they left Crimea because of the Revolution and it was becoming unsafe. They moved further north.
I never thought that this could be man holding the baby, but it makes sense. I always thought it was the "Rich officer's wife" and Shura's mother and Shura, as the baby. I will look at it in greater detail. I have no picture of Shura's dad with which to compare.
Those restore and colour and clean up are BEAUTIFUL. I really can't believe the magic that everyone can do. Thank you so very much, for the help and the insight. And I really do apologize for posting and the not following it up. Thank you for your patience.
Shauna
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Sorry, but I dont see the person as a man.
It definitely looks like a woman to me esp. as she is holding flowers ;)
She has her hair covered also which according to the website indicates she is a married woman.
Think we really need to see all 3 photos to check out family connections .
Trish
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Even in National dress, I can't imagine a man in a long decorated frock like that, especially with a petticoat.
I'm thinking more on the lines of knee length tunics and boots.
Got to remember we are looking at Ukrainian features here not English.
Also, National costume does change, all be it slightly, over the years, and this has had a hundred years of changes, so there might be a bit of a difference to what we see today.
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Even in National dress, I can't imagine a man in a long decorated frock like that, especially with a petticoat.
hi Paula, i think you are right. no man would ever wear a petticoat, i am going to stick with it being grandma, older ladies get hairy chins too. 8)
rabbit b ;D
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Hello Shauna,
Best regards George.
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OOOOHHHH! George, it's gorgeous!!! I've been concentrating on the other baby picture I forgot about this one. You've done an amazing job!! Thank you again.
Shauna
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..... nice one GEORGE as usual.... ;)
Poll
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hi folks,
the more i look at the scarf/turban, the more sure i get that this is part of the costume, most probably older ladies with thinning hair would wear a hat like this. ???
that part of the world is colder too. she'd need it if she had thin hair. so it has to be grandma.
rabbit b ;D
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A lovely restore, George :)
More on Ukrainian traditional dress:
Married women did not braid their hair and never displayed it in public. They tucked their hair under an ochipok, a sort of close-fitting scull-cap made of silk, brocade or chintz. It was considered indecent for a married woman to be seen bare-headed. The ochipok was to be worn all life long with the hair hidden under it, and there was hardly a greater shame for a woman to have her ochipok pulled off her hair by someone in public (probably it had something to do with the belief in magic qualities of hair).
Headkerhiefs and shawls came to be used widely only at the end of the nineteenth century, and the occasion and means available determined what kind of headkerchief or shawl was to be worn.
http://www.wumag.kiev.ua/wumag_old/archiv/1_97/dress.htm
Also see:
http://www.nat.com.ua/ukrainian_folk_costume.html
Gadget
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It's quite common for married women to cover their hair.
Geraldus tells that the women of Wales had short hair, because long hair was a trap for men...
In medieval times showing hair was evil, even eyebrows were shaved off.
As close as Victorian days we see young girls with long hair worn down, married girls with their hair up, and widows with caps, even though they were so small they were mainly symbolic.
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This is Ukraine in the 1890s :)
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So I believe I have read.
I know nothing of tradition in the Ukraine, but I am thinking that it might have been a custom in Christion countries.
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Posted by: Gadget Posted on: Friday 06 March 09 20:18 GMT (UK)
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I'm 98% sure it's a man, Terry
I've been out with a lot of wimmin who look a lot more
masculine than her. ;D ;D ;D
Tomkin ;D ;D ;D
P.S. Just a quickie.
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>:( >:( ??? ??? Again!!! as soon as I post it on RootsChat
it turns from sepia to B&W >:( >:( >:( ??? ??? ???
Tomkin.
Anybody!!! Does it look a light sepia on your monitor
or B&W. :o :o ??? ??? ???
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It's black and white at the moment ;D
But I expect someone will come on and say it's sepia ::) ::) ::)
We don't know which gender the person is:
I'm 98% sure it's a man, Terry :)
I'm with you Gadget, wish Shauna would hurry back ::)
Terry
I certainly think it's a fellow holding the baby .. Like Gadget says,..... I 'm sure there is a small beard present! ;D
hi polldoll,
having had a very close look i tend to agree.
but having said that, and studied the site that gadget put up. i couldn't find any reference to men at all.
rabbit b ;D
Didn't spot the earlier post that said it was Ukraine, and worked out that the photographers address was Yalta ! For what it is worth, I tend towards the idea that it is a man
Robert
Here's a small version of yours so that you can see that it's b & w
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hi Tomkin,
it's a super b/w from here.
lovely job too
rabbit b ;D
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Wish I could say it's sepia viewed through the dreaded Vista, tomkin....
Sorry.....still black and white.
You call that a 'quickie?' It's bloomin great!
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It's a woman for heavens sake ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P :P
Well it's sepia on my software and B&W on RootsChat
so I'll have to check my colour profile on the software.
Tomkin ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Right!!! I've pushed a few buttons and tapped the
Monitor lightly with a hammer, so let us see if there is any difference,
Tomkin ;D ;D
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Yuh done it...
Sepia
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sepia now tomkin
you've done it and it's just as lovely
rabbit b ;)
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Another quicky,
Tomkin. ;D ;D
( When I turn my software on I get a warning message that
my colour profile is incorrect. please adjust. ??? ??? ??? )
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looks good to me tomkin.
looks better than good,
it is smashing.
rabbit b :)
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Hi all
I know this was last week's event but George has kindly given me permission to use his restore as a base for colouring this lovely photo. I've now finished it :)
Gadget
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and a warmer one:
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Again, all these restores are fabulous.
As for the question if it's a man or woman, here are my 2 cents worth of info - 1) the thingy the sitting person is holding is supposed to be some kind of braided material and cloth remnants. I am not sure of the usage, but I found that on one of the sites someone was kind enough to post. 2) the features do look masculine to me, especially the hands, shoulder, the way the baby is being held 3) the most telling one is the stance for sitting. Not many women back in "the old days" would sit with their legs apart, even if they were wearing a dress.
I think I am going with the people that said it was a man, after all I can't see these employer's (the rich grand gentleman) allowing the grama, the mother, the father and the little baby in the house for pictures. If the mother and father worked there, I could understand them, but I think that would be too generous, especially for the time period of 1899 ish and the current times of the czarist regime and the uprisings of the Bolsheviks. That being said, if the mom and dad worked, who'd look after the baby. Maybe it was the grama. ei-yie-yie did I just talk myself out of my choice. LOL. Oh well.
I thank you all for the beautiful work you did and all the help you gave me. :)
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hi shaunadavid,
interesting explanation, but weren't all the men out fighting at that time.
some women, [me] have huge hands especially if they have worked hard all their lives.
but having said that i still cannot make up my mind, it just doesn't look like a man's turban to me.
hasn't it been a super thread though.
rabbit b ;D
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It has generated lots of interest and I absolutely love all the help it's brought, both in the photo and in the chats. I have learned SOOOO much! It is amazing to me what you can do with a picture.