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Looking for any info on the family of William Butler Civil Engineer who was born according to 1851 census in Stretham Surrey about 1796 His father was also William a builder.I got that info on his marriage cert 1840 where he married Jane Dyson in Wath upon Dearne Yorkshire But i'm stuck there.
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So you have got him on 1851 census, and got his marriage cert.
Before we start hunting around, what else have you already got? for example Have you got him on all the other censuses? Do you know if he had children or are we looking for that? etc etc
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Hi There Thanks for reply What I have so far is the marriage cert.with his father William Butler a builder,and I have him on the 1851 census for Doncaster.He was previously married to someone else and had 2 other children Edwin William Butler and Ann Butler born in Basford [IGI]in 1829 and 1832 not sure if any others.When he married Jane Dyson in 1840 he was down as a widower his address was Stoke on Trent They appear to have had a son before they got married called Thomas Dyson Butler in 1838, then after marriage children Elizabeth Butler/Jane Rebecca Butler/Mary Butler/Ellen Butler [my great gran] and Kate Butler . Sadly he died in 1860 in Wath [ informant at death was Annie Butler daughter ]so not on any more censuses.I would like to get farther back with his tree but am stuck there.
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1841
HO107 1329 12
Town End, Wath upon Deane
John Dyson 60 shoe manufacturor
Ann Dyson 60
Matthias Dyson 20 Artist
Zebulon Dyson 15 Artist
Thomas Dyson 4
Mary Tilbury 20
Eliza Tilbury 3
Edwin Butler 8
all bn in county
Such a shame relationships are not given, but possible that Thoams Dyson (later taking surname Butler) is with maternal grandparents here, and so is their step grandson Edwin.
If Thomas is Illegit child of Jane, then we will never know if William Butler was his father or not. Probably unlikely, as he was born 2 or 3 years before they married
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And this looks like the fairly newly wed William and Jane, at at inn in Horton, Bradford.
HO107 1296 1
Manchester Rd, Horton, Bradford
Henry Milnes 35 Innkeeper
Sarah 30
Ann 13
Eli 11
Ellen 7mths
Mary Midgkey female servant
Samuel ? male servant
William Butler 45 Engineer not bn in county
Jane Butler 25 bn in county
William Smith 35 engineer
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Thanks for that info from you both Josie
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A possible older child baptised Basford
CHARLES BUTLER
Christening: 07 MAY 1822 Basford, Nottingham
Father: WILLIAM BUTLER
Mother: ANN
William's age at burial shows he was may have been older than the age shown on the 1851 census (perhaps reducing his age with a younger second wife)
Burial 1st July 1860 All Saints Wath upon Dearne
William Butler aged 69
Jane's first child's baptism (no birth registration)
THOMAS DYSON
Christening: 16 JUL 1837 Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire
Mother: JANE DYSON
and potentially older children baptised in Wath upon Deane to a William and Ann
JAMES BUTLER
Christening: 31 MAY 1818 Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire
Father: WILLIAM BUTLER
Mother: ANN
Burial 28th February 1841 All Saints Wath upon Dearne
James Butler aged 22
JOSEPH BUTLER
Christening: 02 APR 1820 Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire
Father: WILLIAM BUTLER
Mother: ANN
Burial 26th July 1830 All Saints Wath upon Dearne
Joseph Butler aged 10
It might be worth checking whether William left a will to see whether he names any children from his first marriage that are unknown.
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/civil/probate/index.htm
St Leonard Streatham baptism records are only covered on the IGI from 1801.
Regards
Valda
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And this looks like the fairly newly wed William and Jane, at at inn in Horton, Bradford.
HO107 1296 1
Manchester Rd, Horton, Bradford
Henry Milnes 35 Innkeeper
Sarah 30
Ann 13
Eli 11
Ellen 7mths
Mary Midgkey female servant
Samuel ? male servant
William Butler 45 Engineer not bn in county
Jane Butler 25 bn in county
William Smith 35 engineer
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Hello William Butler - I'm sorry this is not much use to you regarding your Butler family but I am most interested to read you may have a photograph of Henry Milnes and is family. His daughter Ruth was married to my great grandfather John Clayton ( C. & J. Clayton Ltd Box Tree Mill Bradford) and was the love of his life. Sadly she died very young and so did her son some five years later. Eli Milnes was a famous architect and his work is still very much in evidence in Bradford to this day.
If were possible to see this photograph I would be most interested as would my 87 year old mother
Many thanks and good luck with your researchs.
Richard Haynes
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Hi Richard
Welcome to Rootschat
I'm not sure where on the thread there is mention of a photograph. The reference to Henry Milnes in Bradford is a transcription taken from the 1841 census for Bradford.
This is the family on the 1851 census
HO107 2310 folio 363
Lower Lane Manningham
Henry Milnes 49 Head Married Innkeeper Horton Yorkshire
Sarah Milnes 44 Wife Married Domestic Manager Birstall Yorkshire
Ellen Milnes 10 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Alice Milnes 2 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Ruth Milnes 1 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
and 1861
RG9 3334 folio 26
New Cliffe House Toller Lane Bradford
Henry Milnes 59 Head Married Retired Publican Horton Yorkshire
Sarah Milnes 54 Wife Married Hunsworth Yorkshire
Ellen Milnes 20 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Alice Milnes 12 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Ruth Milnes 11 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
plus 1 servant
Deaths Sep 1870
Milnes Henry 69 Bradford, Y. 9b 105
died 4th July at Toller Lane
Henry left a will proved at Wakefield (proved 27th September). One of the executors was his son Eli who was an architect.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Richard
Welcome to Rootschat
I'm not sure where on the thread there is mention of a photograph. The reference to Henry Milnes in Bradford is a transcription taken from the 1841 census for Bradford.
This is the family on the 1851 census
HO107 2310 folio 363
Lower Lane Manningham
Henry Milnes 49 Head Married Innkeeper Horton Yorkshire
Sarah Milnes 44 Wife Married Domestic Manager Birstall Yorkshire
Ellen Milnes 10 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Alice Milnes 2 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Ruth Milnes 1 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
and 1861
RG9 3334 folio 26
New Cliffe House Toller Lane Bradford
Henry Milnes 59 Head Married Retired Publican Horton Yorkshire
Sarah Milnes 54 Wife Married Hunsworth Yorkshire
Ellen Milnes 20 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Alice Milnes 12 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
Ruth Milnes 11 Daughter Horton Yorkshire
plus 1 servant
Deaths Sep 1870
Milnes Henry 69 Bradford, Y. 9b 105
died 4th July at Toller Lane
Henry left a will proved at Wakefield (proved 27th September). One of the executors was his son Eli who was an architect.
Regards
Valda
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Dear Valda
Thank you so much for your interesting reply. We will keep on looking. My main interest is the Claytons of Daisy Hill, Manningham, bradford, Yorkshire. - Box Tree Cottage, Crow Trees and local area - Shuttlemakers and at least 4 Wesleyan Methodist ministers and my direct ancestors. I have made contact with a cousin who has old family papers so things are getting interesting
Again many thanks
Richard
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My husband is the great grandson of Dan Clayton (born 1849). Probably brother to John. We too are researching the Claytons so would be interested in what you have found. I too have some material from a 'cousin'. Perhaps the same one?
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Thought I'd let you know that there is an entry in a book titled "101 Ingenious Kiwis" by Tony Williams referring to William Butler, civil engineer. "William Butler was one of New Zealand's first settlers, arriving in the country in 1830 as the captain of the whaling ship Nimrod. Whaling was NZ's first real industry of consequence. Butler decided he would make money supplying the whalers with fresh fruit, vegetables and other provisions. In 1938 he built a store at Mangonui in Doubtless Bay, a horseshoe shaped bay at the top of the North Island. Mangonui has its own harbour, whicih is deep and circular. The location of Butler's store became known as Butler's Point. He also built a house further down the harbour. But in 1847 Butler decided to move his house closer to his work. He commissioned a number of men to roll it down to the beach on totara logs (totara is a large native tree, used by the Maori to build their huge canoes). Then it was carefully rolled onto a barge and shipped across the harbour where it was literally "beached" and from there dragged to its new site near the store using bullocks and a windlass. There Butler adn his wife raised 13 children. As the family grew, so did the house and he added on a tall, gabled structure that had a kitchen and an impressively large drawing room where Butler would meet guests, for he was by now a very wealthy man. He died in 1975 and, the following year, his family moved to Auckland. The house still stands and is open to the public by appointment."
I don't know if this is 'your' William Butler, but thought you may find some information within this entry.