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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Aberdeenshire => Scotland => Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Linda from Murton on Tuesday 03 March 09 22:50 GMT (UK)
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Please forgive me if I have posted on the wrong board.
Great Grandfather Charles Gouch (born Norfolk) married Susan G. (we think Robertson). Susan was born in Peterhead in approximately 1825. We can only surmise her surname was Robertson because this was the middle name given to her sons.
We havent been able to trace her marriage to Charles Gouch, although their first son was born at North Shields, Northumberland (another fishing port) in June 1850.
Would be extremely grateful if anyone can find information regarding Susan on Scottish Census. If it helps her children were called John Joseph; Mary Jane; James Robertson Goauch/ George Robertson Gouch; Sarah Ann and Maria.
Looking forward to your response.
Thank you.
Linda
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Hi
The 1851 census for Durham shows Susan b Northumberland - North Shields
Charles Gouch 29 rail labourer b Norfolk
Susan 25 b North Shields Northumberland
John Joseph 1 b North Shields
HO107; Piece: 2395; Folio: 37; Page: 18
1871 just shows Scotland
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Hi, Many thanks for responding. It was a later census which indicated her birth place as Peterhead. I've only just realized that if I send away for John Joseph' birth certificate it should give her maiden name. Must be tired or I would have thought of that one ages ago. However, I still think its Robertson because it doesnt feature in any of the Gouch names.
Linda
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I don't know whether you have already seen these IGI entries
Sarah Ann Gouch Birth: 19 DEC 1861
Christening: 15 JAN 1862 St Hildas, South Shields, Durham, Father: Charles Gouch Mother: Susan Gouch
Maria Gouch Birth: 01 MAY 1865
Christening: 14 JUN 1865 St Hildas, South Shields, Durham,
Father: Charles Gouch Mother: Susan Gouch
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I have just checked the 1841 for Peterhead but there is only one entry for Susan Robertson and she was aged 60
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CaroleW - Many, many thanks for that detail for Sarah Ann and Maria. You must have struck lucky with the LDS because whenever I have tried its never been the week for the "Gs".
Happy hunting.
Linda
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Hi Linda and Carol :)
Could this be the marriage for Charles and Susan I wonder, from FreeBMD:
Marriages 4th Qrt 1850
Charles Gooch Depwade Vol. 13 Pg. 107
Susan Wilson Depwade Vol. 13 Pg. 107
Mary Quantrup and a Hannah Wilson also showing on the page.
Monica
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Hello Monica, wow that was a blast of hope. Unfortunately Charles and Susan's eldest son John Joseph Gouch was born during the June quarter of 1850. A couple of quarters before this marriage. It did look very promising though.
Thank you for taking the time to look.
Kind regards
Linda
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Update: Birth Certificate for one of Charles and Susan's children (George) came this morning. George was born near South Shields and his mother is listed as Susan Gouch formerly ROBINSON.
Still having no luck finding either Charles and Susan's marriage. A later Census said that Susan was born at Peterhead, Scotland approx 1825.
Wondered if anyone can please help.
Linda
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I have checked the Scottish 1841 for Susan Robinson but none match her profile
I cannot find an English marriage between 1841-1851 so wonder if they may have married in Scotland
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Carol
I looked again at this earlier. The only only possibility I am seeing is a SARAH Robertson in North Shields with family, she is not with the family by 1851:
1841: HO107; Piece 825; Book: 9;
1851: HO107; Piece: 2409; Folio: 346;
This family shows as born in Peterhead, Aberdeen in the 1851 census.
What worries me though is that Sarah is not a variant of Susan that I am aware of :-\ Still not seeing a possible marriage with a first name Sarah though.
Monica
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Hi Monica
There is no marriage entry for a Charles Gouch between 1841-1851 either. I had hoped if I found one - there would be an uneven number of males to females which would solve the problem.
I did find this 1841 entry though for Yorkshire but cannot find them on the 1851 at the moment
Charles Gouch 20 ag lab not b in county
Mary 20 b in county
Elizabeth 3mths b in county
HO107 Piece 1330/9 Folio 9 Page 13
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A few possible christenings for them on IGI:
1. ELIZABETH GOUCH Christening: 07 MAR 1841 Braithwell, Yorkshire
2. JOHN GOUCH Christening: 29 JAN 1843 Braithwell, Yorkshire
3. MARY ANN GOUCH Christening: 10 MAY 1846 St Peter, Brighton, Sussex..a maybe because of the change of location
Monica
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Hi Linda
I think the person you are looking for is Susan Gordon Robertson who was baptised on 23rd April 1826 in Peterhead. Her father was Joseph Robertson, a carpenter. Witnesses at the baptism were Joseph and William Robertson.
It seems very likely that Susan's mother was Mary Ogston who married Joseph Robertson, a carpenter on 23rd December 1821 in Peterhead.
Susan had brothers: Joseph - baptised 2nd October 1822 in Peterhead
John Ogston - baptised 24th June 1824 in Aberdeen
James - baptised ? born about 1828
Frederick - baptised ? born about 1830
George - baptised 1832 in Arbroath.
In 1822 and 1824 Susan's father was described as a carpenter but by1832 he was a coastguard.
In the 1841 Census, when the family are living in Milbourne Place in North Shields it looks like mother Mary is described as "sailor's wife" (husband Joseph is not at home).
It's a mystery as to why Susan has been recorded as Sarah in 1841 but it may just be an error by the recorder.
Further evidence to link Susan to this family is that in 1873 her brother Frederick named his 2nd daughter Susan Gordon Robertson.
Carolyn
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Carolyn001,
Wow, this is fantastic. Thank you so very much. I see that this is your first posting in this forum and is a brilliant posting.
Can I ask how your managed to get so much information on Susan, are you related?
Again thank you this has broken down a huge wall.
Kind regards
Linda
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I would like to say many thanks to CaroleW and MonicaLesl for the time and trouble you also took. Thank you both.
In it hot today?
Linda
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Hi Linda,
I think my 4X great grandmother Mary Laughton nee Robertson is possibly the sister of Susan's father, Joseph.
So far I've been unable to find concrete evidence to link Joseph and my Mary but I think you'll agree that the following evidence of their closeness indicates that they were almost certainly related in some way.
My Mary Robertson married Samuel Laughton, a sailor in Peterhead in 1824 and over the following years both Samuel Laughton and Joseph Robertson witnessed the baptisms of each others children in Peterhead.
In 1841, both families were living in Milbourne place in North Shields.
Susan's brother Frederick was a witness at my 3X great grandmother's wedding and another brother James registered the death of Samuel Laughton in 1848.
Looking at the 1851 Census, Susan's mother Mary appears to have taken in the youngest Laughton child, Elizabeth when she was orphaned in 1849 following the death of her mother in the Cholera epidemic.
That's all for now but I'll get back to you with a bit more information today or tomorrow.
Kind regards
Carolyn
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Hello Carolyn
I agree with what you have found.
I have Susan's family to date. If you would like details please let me know and I shall contact you direct.
Kind regards = Linda
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Hi Linda,
Charles Gouch was my great great grandfather. I've got loads of info on my bit of the tree.
I'm new to RootsChat - can you contact people outside the public forum?
Dave
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ev
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Hi Dave
Charles Gouch was my great great grandfather have very little information about him. Would be grateful for any info
Dolly
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Hello Dolly,
Charles Gouch was our great great grandfather too. I have quite a bit of information about him and his family. What branch do you spring from? If I can share information I would be more than happy too. We live in Co. Durham.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Hi Dolly, Welcome to rootschat. Once you have made 3 posts you will be able to contact members by private message (pm). This will enable you to exchange contact details :)
flst
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Hi Linda
My side comes from Sarah Ann Gouch,she was my great grandmother.Sarah married Thomas Ratcliffe then had my grandmother Hannah Potts Ratcliffe.Hannah married Charles Burrell, their first born was my Dad Thomas Burrell.He was born 30th November 1910.Dad said both Sarah and Thomas were Deaf and Dumb.Sarah and Thomas are both buried in Harton Cemetary in South Shields but in separate graves.Charles and Susan are buried in old Westoe cemetery in South Shields.Their grave is side by side with John Josephs grave.There are no Headstones but Iwas
told the graves had been bought and probably the headstones have long gone.
I was born in South Shields but now live in Pelaw,Gateshead.The family tree I have put together is on Ancestry.co.uk but any info I can share I would be happy too.All I know about Charles is that he was born in Norfolk but cant find his parents or any siblings or why he ended up here. Cant find a marriage for him and Susan. Any more information would be grateful.
Thanks
Dolly
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Hello Dolly,
We came down the George Robertson Gouch (1859-1918) line. I still haven't been able to find a marriage for Charles and Susan. Must admit I haven't picked the Gouch tree up for ages. I do have that Charles was the son of an Elizabeth Gooch (think she was a single mum) and that he was born in 1818 at Attleborough, Norfolk.
His wife Susan Gordon Robertson (1825-1919) was the daughter of Joseph Robertson and Mary Ogston. I shall have to find my Gouch box of notes etc. and see what else I have.
We have always understood that Charles and Susan must have worked in the Herring Fishing trade and that's how they met. Suppose South Shields was half way between Norfolk and Peterhead.
I don't put my family trees on Ancestry. Good luck in your research. Kind regards - Linda
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On the below I think Samuel Laughton (Peterhead) was probably the older brother of my ancestor Isabella Laughton who was born about 2 years later in Peterhead and ended up aged 18 living as a live in servant in the NE - North or South Shields/ Tyneside and marrying there twice. That would also tally with her brother moving down in 1841 too.
I have not been able to connect Samuel and Isabella Laughton however other than that they were born 2 years apart in Peterhead and both ended up in the NE of England however.
"Hi Linda,
I think my 4X great grandmother Mary Laughton nee Robertson is possibly the sister of Susan's father, Joseph.
So far I've been unable to find concrete evidence to link Joseph and my Mary but I think you'll agree that the following evidence of their closeness indicates that they were almost certainly related in some way.
My Mary Robertson married Samuel Laughton, a sailor in Peterhead in 1824 and over the following years both Samuel Laughton and Joseph Robertson witnessed the baptisms of each others children in Peterhead.
In 1841, both families were living in Milbourne place in North Shields.
Susan's brother Frederick was a witness at my 3X great grandmother's wedding and another brother James registered the death of Samuel Laughton in 1848.
Looking at the 1851 Census, Susan's mother Mary appears to have taken in the youngest Laughton child, Elizabeth when she was orphaned in 1849 following the death of her mother in the Cholera epidemic.
That's all for now but I'll get back to you with a bit more information today or tomorrow.
Kind regards
Carolyn