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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Washy on Tuesday 03 March 09 01:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi I was wondering if anyone could help me find the death of Edmund Twiss (Twist) born about 1821. He lived in Haydock, his church was probable St Thomas Ashton in Makerfield or St Oswalds Winwick. He died between 1842 & 1850. Tried everything but can't find it. Just found his baptism St Mary (now St helen) St Helens Lancashire 29 Apr 1821. Son Edmund also baptised there 16 oct 1842. Abode Haydock
thanks
Washy
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Is this your man
John
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Hi John
Thanks may be but can't understand why he would be buried at Swindon. Married in Winwick & his wife remarried there in 1850 & she & his son there in all the census.
Confused
Washy
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Is ther anyway of finding out more info his age at death ect.
Washy
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Hi
Just above Edmund there is a John Twiss Warrington. Now Warrington I could understand. Is there any chance these names have been mixed up? How can I find out.
Washy
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CheshireBMD have the John Twiss death at Warrington too. Since they use a different index I think we can be sure that's the name on the certificate.
I wonder if Edmund used a different name?
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The death certs reflect where the death occurred. Could Edmund's occupation explain why he was in Swindon? The death certs have the age of the deceased on them, but you have to realise they may not be very exact, especially if someone dies away from home and the death is registered by eg a landlord/boarding house keeper.
You could order one of the certs from the local registry office, specifying it was an adult who died not an infant (then they usually won't charge you if it's a baby who died), and see if that throws any light on the problem.
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This was my thought aswell alpinecottage as he was an engineer and could well have been working there as regards the thought of the missplacing of warrigton on the record not in a month of sundays
John
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Hi Everyone
Thanks for the replies to my post. As Edmund was a collier to be in Swindon so far from home doesn't make sense to me (no family connection with the area). Is St Mary's (St Helen) a catholic church? Can't find records that cover the area on-line that cover the dates. Married in c of e church but son baptised in St Mary's, assume would be buried in same church. Is there anywhere I can find records of this church for the time period.
Washy
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Hi you are getting confused here Edmund born 1821 was not a collier he was a engineer the collier was Edmunds dad called Thomas
John
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Thanks John
So I am, but even as an engineer, would he still have travelled so far from Home?
Washy
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Yes Washy
As an engineer at that time there were major engineering projects going on all over the country and as was stated before the registration would have taken place where he died not where he was buried or lived.
John
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Thanks John
I'm amazed! Didn't realise was such an important job. How would I find out where he was buried?
Washy
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According to Google, St Mary's, now St Helen's is Church of England.
Swindon was an early and important centre for the railways, googling it will give you heaps of information.
But before you waste lots of time on Swindon, I would order the death cert for Edmund. If you want to be cautious about spending your money, you could look at the 1841 census for Swindon to see if you can find an Edmund Twist. If you have already found your man in Haydock in 1841, well, he can't be in Swindon at the same time, can he! Also look at IGI to see if there are any TWIST families in Swindon at this time. If you do get the death cert and it is your Edmund, you will have a date of death and burial will be a week later at most. His widow may have put a notice in her local newspaper or there may be an article, again a week or two after the death which may give you extra details (where buried etc). Finally, with an approx burial date, someone in Wiltshire may do some lookups for you.
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I agree Alpinecottage have also already checked census records there was only 1 Twist in Wiltshire in 1841 that was a David Twist with no other family members. And as you say Swindon was the main workshops for Brunells Locomotivs and suplied Locos right up till recently to B/R. This is the only Edmund Twist Died during that decade
John
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I agree that the GWR works would be a great draw for all sorts of engineering trades. One of my relatives, a pattern maker from the Wigan area, moved there in the 1880s. The attraction must have been even greater when the works was being set up in the 1840s.
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Hi everyone
Thanks for the replies, just goes to show you can't rule anything out. Have emailed the Swindon registrar office for help & explained. Hoping they can help with age etc.So far no reply.
Washy
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Hi everyone
Just thought I'd let you know I found out about Edmund from another roots chatter on Wiltshire board.
Devizes & Wiltshire Gazette on 9th August 1849. The article read:-
"Inquests taken before Mr Whitmarsh.-
At New Swindon, on the body of Edmund Twist, stoker on the Great Western Railway.
Margaret Gray, a neighbour, stated that deceased had returned home in the night from Haydock near St. Helen's, Lancashire, where he had been staying the last ten days amongst his relatives.
He felt unwell, and went to Mr Rogers the same morning of his return, and in the evening he became worse, and soon afterwards this gentleman discovered that he was awfully suffering from the effects of Asiatic cholera, which caused his death in a few hours. - Verdict accordingly."
Don't you just love this site.
Washy
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Poor old Edmund! but a conclusive resolution to your posting.