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Hi there, I am in need of some help with finding out more information regarding my maternal grandmother's father. Unfortunately, everyone who may have had this information has passed away and I am not sure where to go from here. My grandmother (who passed away 22 years ago) wrote this note regarding her father. This is the most information I have been able to find on him.
"Patrick Flannery was born in India 17 Mar 1863. His father was in the army in India. At that time India was a British Colony. Both of Patrick's parents contracted a disease and died in India. Patrick was sent back to Grimsby, England, with his 2 brothers and 1 sister to an orphanage.
Patrick Flannery was in the English Army most of his life including the Boer War. Dishcharged 2 years before death because of ill health.
Florence Edith Rose Cook Flannery worked as a maid for a Lord Michael and he was married to an actress. Married in 1910, her husband died 4 years after they were married. She came to Canada 1920 (June) for better living purpose."
I can tell you that he had two children with Florence Cook, my grandmother, Edith Joan Flannery born 7 Sep 1911 and Patrick Flannery born 4 months prior to his death in 1913. I know that he passed away 12 Mar 1913.
I am looking to find out the following things:
1. What orphanage he went to
2. What his siblings names were
3. What his parents names were
If you have any suggestions on how I can further research his parents that would be most helpful and muchly appreciated. I am not sure where to start looking for them as I am unsure of where to look, whether it would be with the British Army or within India.
Thank you so much for any help you are able to give me.
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Hi tgit_1 Welcome to RootsChat! :)
The age is a couple of years out from what you suggested, but the 1881 census has
Patrick FLANNERY 15 Blacksmith, Bombay India
in the Medway Union Workhouse at Chatham, Kent.
In the same Workhouse was
John FLANNERY 13 Scholar, Bombay India
At 7 St Mary's Terrace, Willesdon was
Julia FLANNERY 17 Dom Servant, India British Subject.
in household of Henry R GOODWIN
1891 census
159 Albion St, Grimsby
John FLANNERY (lodger) 22 Fisherman, India British Subject
There was also a FLANNERY family in Preston Lancs who had some kids born in India.
64 Peel Hall St, Preston
Celia FLANNERY (wid) 39 Dublin
Annie 19 Sewing Machinist, Malta?
Lina 16 Cotton Winder, India (East)
Theresa 13 India (East)
Kate 10 Ireland Tipperary
Agnes 7 Ireland Curragh (I think there was a barracks at Curragh)
and in hospital in Preston
William FLANNERY 11 School, India
Providing you register and login, you can order overseas birth certs online to hopefully get parents' names. Here is some info https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faqs-overseas.asp
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Have you checked to see if there is a Military record for Patrick Flannery? I have found these to be quite informative often giving parents/or 1 parents names and address, or siblings.
sometimes just looking at other records can give you a nudge to the information you seek
newbie :)
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Hi there, thanks for the suggestions. I do know the exact date of death as I do have a copy of his death registration. It was 12 Mar 1913 and it states his age as being 50 years putting his birth year at 1863. I too have found this information and searched Military records but I haven't been able to come up with anything that really seems like my ancestor. It was suggested that I try and find out who his parents were so that I can narrow it down to which Patrick Flannery it would be. It seems that was a popular name at the time. I know that he is interred at Nunhead Cemetery in London England if this helps at all.
Here is what I know to be factual:
Birth 17 Mar 1863
Death 12 Mar 1913
Married to Florence Edith Rose Flannery sometime between 1908 & 1911
Had 2 Children - Edith Joan Flannery 11 Sep 1911, Patrick Flannery born in 1913
Interred at Nunhead Cemetery, London, England
Here is what is speculated:
Note found in my late grandmother's things stating he was born in India, his parents died there (in India), him and his brother and sister (no names) were sent back to Grimsby, England to an orphanage and that he served in the Army and was released early due to illness and passed away shortly there after.
Thanks again!
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Had a look for Flannery on FIBIS website and came up with 3 baptisms in index: Julia Flannery 1864, Patrick Flannery 1866 and John Flannery 1868. From their ages and 1881 census details found earlier it looks like these could be the same family and might be Patrick and his brother and sister.
The age is a couple of years out from what you suggested, but the 1881 census has
Patrick FLANNERY 15 Blacksmith, Bombay India
in the Medway Union Workhouse at Chatham, Kent.
In the same Workhouse was
John FLANNERY 13 Scholar, Bombay India
At 7 St Mary's Terrace, Willesdon was
Julia FLANNERY 17 Dom Servant, India British Subject.
in household of Henry R GOODWIN
Don't forget that Patrick's age on death certificate might not be accurate as informant might have gotten details wrong.
If Patrick married in England his death marriage certificate should list his father's name and hopefully his former occupation.
Thanks for noticing my mistake Geoff
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Thanks, I too believe this is his brother and sister. I am still trying to find the marriage information for him. As far as I know my grandmother's mother was always in England until she immigrated to Canada in 1920, so there should be some record of marriage somewhere...it is just a matter of finding it now. Thanks again for all the help!
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Births Sep 1911
FLANNERY Edith J (Cook or Cock) Marylebone 1a 945
Births Sep 1913
FLANNERY Patrick J (Cook) Thanet 2a 2172
I can't see a FLANNERY/COOK marriage ... but then it need not have been a first marriage for Ms COOK/COCK.
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Thanks again, I do have this information, as this is my grandmother and her brother. I too am puzzled about the marriage and cannot find anything listed. When they came to Canada, my grandmother's mother remarried in 1922 and it is listed as her 2nd marriage on her marriage certificate (which I do have), so I believe that the Flannery/Cook marriage was her first. I have been hoping to find the marriage record thinking it would list Patrick's parents names, but I haven't been too lucky with that....yet.
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Have you looked at the 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/ ???
There is a Patrick FLANNERY (born India c1864?) and an Edith Florence Rose COOK (born Margate c1885?) both living in the St George (London) district - could that be relevant? I notice that your gt grandmother emigrated as "Edith" FLANNERY in 1920 (Salvation Army) and also that her daughter was born in the Thanet area which would give a connection to Margate ie. Edith/Florence returning home to relatives when her "husband" died perhaps?
Casalguidi :)
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Just a chance I have just started my family tree and my dads aunt married a Jack or John Flannery..just thought might be a connection ..all I have is the 1/4 they got married.....Thanks
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ladyluck,
John Flannery would have to be born approx 1868....what year was he born in? I am still just starting out on researching the Flannery side of my family.
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Casalguidi,
I believe that the people you found are indeed my relatives as I know my gr grandmother was born in 1884 in Margate. How did you find the emigrant record? I have been searching for the last 9 months for this record and here in Canada, they say they have no record of her ever coming to Canada....I would be very interested in seeing that.
Thanks again fo the help!
tgit
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So sorry i think it the same Flannery...my Flannery..which I dont have a date of birth for yet married my dads aunt between Oct 1930 and Dec 1930..but thankyou for repying..and good luck with your tree....................
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Hi Tgit
Edith FLANNERY age 34 arrived Quebec from London, England on the "Tunisian" 6 July 1920 with Patrick and Joan (via the Salvation Army) destination Toronto intending to work on a farm. Indeed the Salvation Army did assist people to emigrate in order to make a better life for themselves.
There are a number of indexes to passenger lists available online ie. http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp http://www.ancestry.com and you can see the originals http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-908-e.html
Casalguidi :)
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There are 2 marriages I found in Grimsby for Fannery both in 1893
John aged 23 a Fisherman son of John a Soldier
and
Patrick aged 25 Fisherman son of Patrick labourer
Neither married a Cook though
Hope it helps in some way
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Hi Tgit
If you ever manage to track down a male Flannery relative, be sure to encourage him to compare Y-chromosomes with the Flannery Clan Y-DNA Project using a quick and easy cheek swab test. It might help you to advance your research by matching other Flannery families with documented roots in specific locations in Ireland. Best of luck.
Lorcán J. O'Flannery
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I can tell you something about Patrick Flannery. I am Jayne Flannery, great grandaughter of John Flannery, his younger brother who was born also in Bombay, India in 1868. According to my family story, Patrick left on the klondike gold rush and was never seen or heard of again. Julia, the sister also emigrated but kept in touch with John and his children. I have photographs of John Flannery and his wife Eliza. I would love to know more about the parents of John, Patrick and Julia. I was told they were murdered in an uprising in Bombay prior to their three children going to Medway Union workhouse in Kent. Does anyone know anything about them. I was told by John´s daughter Elsie, now dead, that John´s mother was a dutch planter´s daughter. John´s father was in the British Army. Where was he born? In which regiment?
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I can tell you something about Patrick Flannery. I am Jayne Flannery, great grandaughter of John Flannery - also sometimes called jack flannery, his younger brother who was born also in Bombay, India in 1868. According to my family story, Patrick left on the klondike gold rush after working in a london store and was never seen or heard of again. Julia, the sister also emigrated but kept in touch with John and his children. I have photographs of John Flannery and his wife Eliza. I would love to know more about the parents of John, Patrick and Julia. I was told they were murdered in an uprising in Bombay prior to their three children going to Medway Union workhouse in Kent. Does anyone know anything about them. I was told by John´s daughter Elsie, now dead, that the chidren´s mother was a dutch planter´s daughter. John´s father was in the British Army. Where was he born? In which regiment?
[/quotJust a chance I have just started my family tree and my dads aunt married a Jack or John Flannery..just thought might be a connection ..all I have is the 1/4 they got married.....Thanks
e]Hi there, I am in need of some help with finding out more information regarding my maternal grandmother's father. Unfortunately, everyone who may have had this information has passed away and I am not sure where to go from here. My grandmother (who passed away 22 years ago) wrote this note regarding her father. This is the most information I have been able to find on him.
"Patrick Flannery was born in India 17 Mar 1863. His father was in the army in India. At that time India was a British Colony. Both of Patrick's parents contracted a disease and died in India. Patrick was sent back to Grimsby, England, with his 2 brothers and 1 sister to an orphanage.
Patrick Flannery was in the English Army most of his life including the Boer War. Dishcharged 2 years before death because of ill health.
Florence Edith Rose Cook Flannery worked as a maid for a Lord Michael and he was married to an actress. Married in 1910, her husband died 4 years after they were married. She came to Canada 1920 (June) for better living purpose."
I can tell you that he had two children with Florence Cook, my grandmother, Edith Joan Flannery born 7 Sep 1911 and Patrick Flannery born 4 months prior to his death in 1913. I know that he passed away 12 Mar 1913.
I am looking to find out the following things:
1. What orphanage he went to
2. What his siblings names were
3. What his parents names were
If you have any suggestions on how I can further research his parents that would be most helpful and muchly appreciated. I am not sure where to start looking for them as I am unsure of where to look, whether it would be with the British Army or within India.
Thank you so much for any help you are able to give me.
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hi, i have noticed you have been researching Patrick Flannery's life. He is my great great great uncle and my grandmother is John Flannerys grandaughter, I hope this makes sense! we knew he was sent to an orphanage and we know his father (john flannery) was in india, but do you have any information about patrick and johns mother who was also in india?
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Hi there,
I received very recent news from patrick's grandson. Which of John and Eliza Flannerys children was your ancestor. Anyway, the parents of John, Patrick, Julia and Wiliam were John and Mary living in Bangalore and he was a Private in H.M.'s 2/10 Regt. Should be easy now to find where in Ireland he was from. All the children were baptised Roman Catholic so probably first generation immigrants. Hope to get a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary and John. Send me an e-mail adrres and I will send you more info from Patrick's grandson and his wife.
Best Jayne Flannery.
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Hi Jayne,
Sorry I haven't been on for a while as we have been doing some home renovations...the information you have found is fantastic! I would be most happy to see a copy of the marriage certificate, I appreciate the offer. The only thing of interest that I have been able to find out is that Edith Florence Rose Cook Flannery worked for a Lord Michael in the early 1900's. My grandmother's notes indicate that Lord Michael's wife was an actress. I have not been able to find any proof of this however, just a handwritten letter from my grandmother's mother to her sister. If I find anything else of interest on this, I will most certainly let you know.
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Take care,
Christina Cook-Rothbauer
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hello everyone
I don't know if this thread is still active but my wife is Elsie Flannery' s ( died 2002 ) granddaughter and Elsie was Patrick's niece.
I have a bit of info about this family if anyone is interested
I'll check back in about a week's time
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Hi David
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
The other posters related to the Flannery family haven't been online here for some time but unless they have changed email addresses or switched off notifications they should receive emals to let them know we have posted and will hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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can anyone tell me where this uniform is from? This is a photo of my great grandfather who served in H.M. 2/10 Regt. I am most interested in finding out what the number on his collar is referring to (239)? I don't know much about the British Army, but I am guessing his was a foot regiment?
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See responses re photo on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,644654.msg4914047.html#msg4914047