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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: amyspaniel on Wednesday 25 February 09 19:03 GMT (UK)
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Any information on Edward Bowen born in or abouts 1841 in R ::)uabon was later a lay preacher in llanbadrig in angelsey.Also any info on Bowens in Ruabon.
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Welcome to RootsChat Amyspaniel :)
Maybe?
1861
RG9/4281 48 44
Ruabon, Denbighshire
Mount Pleasant
Richard Bowen, head, 44, Coal Miner
Ellen, wife, 43
Edward, son, 20, Coal Miner
Richard, son, 15, Coal Miner
Mary, dau, 11
John? (or Peter?), son, 8, scholar
Ann, dau, 6, scholar
Sarah, dau, 4, scholar
Margery, dau, 2
Thomas, son, 6 mo
All born Ruabon
Next door:
Mary Bowen, head, wid, 75, Pauper, b. Ruabon
:)
I suppose this is him in 1881, which you probably have:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05p3/
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we have
Hugh..... father
ruth.....mother
Sarah ...dau
Edward...son
Lewis...son
Allan son.....was a cripple in later life.Eliza Jane
Lewis married emily Garland Smith
Hugh...son
earnest carden ...son
Lewis...son
Ruth...dau
jessie Flora dau
Alfred garland....son
George...son died 1918 in the war
Lilly ..daughter
problem is finding who siblings married .Is it likely that your list is related to my list as ruabon was such a small place?why do you think the child was in Durham ? Thankyou very much .
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Good Morning,
It seems w're talking about 2 different men:
- the Wesleyan Lay preacher in Llanbadrig on the 1901 census, married to a Jane, whow was born ca. 1840 and who in my opinion was in Durham in 1881
- a nearly 20 years younger Edward, son of Hugh and Ruth
1861
RG9/4280 37 13
Rhydallt, Denbighshire
Hugh Bowen, head, 49, Labourer, b. Denbigh Ruabon
Ruth, wife, 35, b. Llanidan?
Sarah, dau, 6, b. Ruabon
Edward, son, 3, b. do.
Lewis, son, 5 mo, b. do.
1871
RG10/5652 39 4
Ruabon, Denbighshire
Ruth Bowen, head, 46, no occupation, b. Ruabon
Edward, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
Louis, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Allen, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Eliza, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Which one are you interested in then? :)
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Hi and Welcome from me too :)
If the family that Tati has found on the 1861 is yours, there is a possible marriage showing on the North Wales BMD in St John's Church, Rhosymedre, Ruabon in 1848. A Ruth Edwards is on thesame page.
The full GRO reference is
March Quarter, 1848, Wrexham, vol 27 page 381
Note that the 1841 census is missing for this area.
I've checked the parish records for Ruabon but there are no baptisms are showing for Hugh circa 1812.
Regards
Gadget
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thanks that's grea.........................t your amazing .
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Do you have this yet?
1901
RG13/5218 16 23
Cefn, Denbighshire
Acrefair
33 Blk Lion Rd
3 rooms occupied
Richard Jones, head, 33, Labourer Sanitary ?Papes?
Eliza J, wife, 32
Harold P, son, 6
Ruth Bowen, mother in law, wid, 71
Allen Bowen, brother in law, s, 35
All born Ruabon
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Just found the marriage entry in the Rhosymedre parish records
31st January 1848 Hugh Bowen, bach, labourer and Ruth Edwards, spinster. Both living at Rhos Madog.
Fathers - Edward Bowen, lab and Edward Edwards, lab.
Gadget
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Edward in 1901, still unmarried
RG13/5218 128 25
Cefn, Denbighshire
Rhosymedre
19 Rock Rd
Edward Bowen, boarder, s, 42, Bricklayers Labourer, b. Ruabon
in the household of a Roberts family
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I've checked the baptisms for both Ruth and Hugh but nothing - so I can't get mothers' names to match the two fathers.
The Clwyd FHS do have a CD on non-conformist registers which one of the members, William Russell Jones has. I'll Pm him and draw his attention to this thread.
Gadget
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:D
I think that this is the marriage of Hugh Bowen's parents:
Ruabon Parish Registers
29 June 1810 Edward Bowen and Jane Davies. Both of the parish. Both made their mark.
Witnesses - Hugh Bowen and Elizabeth Berkeley.
Gadget
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20,000 Gadget!! Love the look of it!! 8) 8)
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Thought that you seemed lonely, Tati :D :D :D
I've got all the C of E registers for both Ruabon and Rhosymedre parishes but not the non-conformist index. My Ruabon ancestors were very much C of E.
Gadget
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This is the Edward, son of Hugh and Ruth in 1881 still in Ruabon
RG11/5514 f119 p 26
Gadget
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I also add my congratulations to Gadget on attaining the 20,000 mark.There are no children given in the Blackwell Index born to Parents Edward and Jane Bowen.The only one given where an Edward Bowen is given as the Father is that of a Mary Bowen,born on the 22nd of April 1823,and Baptised at Cefm Mawr Wesleyan Chapel on the 22nd of June 1823.The Parents are given as Edward Bowen(Collier) and his Wife Mary.
Regards
William Russell jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William
Is there a Ruth Edwards at all?
thanks for your good wishes.
Gadget
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Just filling a gap.
1891
RG12/4613 159 9
Ruabon, Denbighshire
Rhosymedre
2 Church Street
2 rooms occupied
Edward Bowen, head, s, 30, Labourer with Mason, b. Rhosymedre
Allen, brother, s, 28, Cripple, b. Ruabon
Eliza Jane, sister, unm, 22, Servant domestic, b. do.
English spoken for all
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There is no Ruth Edwards listed in the Blackwell Index.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Amy asked for other Bowens in Ruabon:
Bowen C of E baptisms in Rhosymedre 1837 -1902 with a gap 1877-1896
1838 - Mary to George Bowen (labourer) and Susan Phillips (Cefn Mawr) Mary might have been known as Phillips (no indication) see below
1855 - Elizabeth to William Bowen (collier) and Louisa. Abode Trefynant
1873 Berthie Ann to Mark (engine driver) and Mary. Abode Rhosymedre
Bowen C of E marriages in Rhosymedre 1844 -1888
1848 Hugh to Ruth Edwards (already posted)
1856 Mary to Joseph Hughes. Abode - Cefn Mawr (daughter of George - mentioned above in bpts)
1871 Luke ? Bowen(engine driver), aged 22 to Elizabeth Humphreys . Abode - Cefn Mawr. (son of John Bowen, engine driver)
1883 Matthew (collier), aged 26 to Elizabeth Jones. Abode - Cefn Mawr (son of John Bowen, above)
I'll do the Ruabon ones later. There are quite a few.
Gadget
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Thankyou everyone i have a lot of work to do am new to this so may be a while .
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Hi William
Is there a Ruth Edwards at all?
thanks for your good wishes.
Gadget
Im sure my auntie mentioned Ruth yes.
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There is no Ruth Edwards listed in the Blackwell Index.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
im being thick what is the Blackwell index.
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Good Morning,
It seems w're talking about 2 different men:
- the Wesleyan Lay preacher in Llanbadrig on the 1901 census, married to a Jane, whow was born ca. 1840 and who in my opinion was in Durham in 1881
- a nearly 20 years younger Edward, son of Hugh and Ruth
1861
RG9/4280 37 13
Rhydallt, Denbighshire
Hugh Bowen, head, 49, Labourer, b. Denbigh Ruabon
Ruth, wife, 35, b. Llanidan?
Sarah, dau, 6, b. Ruabon
Edward, son, 3, b. do.
Lewis, son, 5 mo, b. do.
1871
RG10/5652 39 4
Ruabon, Denbighshire
Ruth Bowen, head, 46, no occupation, b. Ruabon
Edward, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
Louis, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Allen, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Eliza, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Which one are you interested in then? :)
my aunt is getting the tree together I'm very interested in what they did and the history of Ruabon any old photos i am passing all your wonderful help on to her she has done the other side of the family there are 7000 of them only just starting the bowen side.i hope i can call myself welsh now for the rugby on friday as someone pointed out when i was cheering for wales i don't sound welsh.I lived in aberdare for 14 years and felt i belonged although it was South Wales.
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HiAmy
the Blackwell Index is the index of non-conformist registers for Denbighshire.
This is taken from the Clwyd FHS site describing it:
* This transcript of the early nonconformist registers for Denbighshire was prepared from microfilm of the original registers held at the National Archives. These registers were called in under the Non-Parochial Register Act of 1840, and were subsequently deposited with the Registrar General. They contain information relating to the period before 1837.
* The project was organised by Stewart Blackwell, who was one of the founders and first Chairman of Clwyd Family History Society.
* This CD is dedicated to his memory.
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/non_con_cds.html
Gadget :)
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thankyou
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Hi William
Is there a Ruth Edwards at all?
thanks for your good wishes.
Gadget hi Ruth 1892 died 29/3/1969
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hi did lewis 1909 mary mary winifred evans or harriet ellen james?
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Hi William
Is there a Ruth Edwards at all?
thanks for your good wishes.
Gadget
did lewis bowens children mary when in corwen?
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hi did lewis 1909 mary mary winifred evans or harriet ellen james?
Hi Amy :)
Do you have any children for Lewis who were born after 1911? If so, the birth indexes do give the mother's maiden name which might help identify Lewis's spouse.
Also the 1911 census should give more information when it comes out for the Welsh counties in the summer.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Amy
I've now found the baptism of Hugh Bowen, father of Edward Bowen.
St Mary's, Ruabon
2 June 1813 Hugh Bowen s/o Edward and Jane. Abode - Rhosymadoc.
Thus parents are as we thought but it's nice to get confirmation.
Regards
Gadget
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Baptisms for children of Edward Bowen and Jane (nee Davies) (St Mary's, Ruabon)
23 Jan 1811 William (born 15 Jan)
2 June 1813 Hugh
21 April 1816 Ann
28 May 1819 Sarah
8 Feb 1822 Mariah
Abode is Rhosymadoc/Rhosmadoc throughout. Edward's occupation - labourer.
Gadget
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A strong possible for Edward Bowen:
Baptism, Ruabon
9 Feb 1780 Edward Bowen s/o Hugh and Ann. Abode - Dyninlle (Dynhinlle) Isaf
Gadget
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that's wonderful thank you again.