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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: PeterY on Tuesday 24 February 09 10:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Due to a computer crash I have lost some records and am now seeking any reference to
ALFRED STARK b around 1884 either Cardiff, London or Devon.(Something the family are not sure)
What they do know is he had a Brother WALTER and a married a DAISY
Alfred and DAISY had a Daughter OLIVE b Cardiff 8 Sept c 1925
Olive was my wife's mother.
Can anyone please help me recover these records in time for our 40th wedding anivversary.
BFN
PeterY
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FreeBMD has the marriage of Alfred J Stark to a Dorothy Krantsche in Cardiff in 1917 - was Daisy actually a Dorothy?
Have you got Olive's birth cert? (hopefully, as you have exact birth date) this will give mothers name and maiden name.
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Again FreeBMD (have you not checked there first?)
there is only one Alfred Stark birth around 1884, well, within a year or so-
Alfred Ernest Stark - Apr/MAy/Jun 1885 Cardiff
look like it must be him
but it makes that marriage less likely as that had a middle initial J.
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Hi both :)
Is this your wife's mother?
Olive E Stark - Dec 1926 Cardiff
mother's maiden name Bound
Marriage Dec 1923
Alfred W Stark - spouse Florence D Bound
Cardiff 11a 851
:)
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Hi
As yet I have got nothing much to go on, but I hope later this week to try and get a copy of Olive's cert.
I am frustrated at the moment thanks to the crash, but luckily most of my files were backed up.
Daisy could well have been Dorothy as this was often the shortened version.
My wife's mother Olive married a James Carbis. Alfred is Olive's father.
I'll dig a little further in the family and rack their memories.
Thanks for you help
PeterY
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Alfred Ernest Stark - Apr/MAy/Jun 1885 Cardiff
This one seems to die in Jun 1886 Cardiff :(
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well its not him then !
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Hi
I just found a Dorthy Krantzeke b 1893 Cardiff.
I wonder if this is as mis spelling of Kantsche or vice versa
BFN
PeterY
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Just wondered if you saw my reply #3 showing Olive born in 1926, mother's maiden name Bount :)
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HI
It's me again, just before I disappear to the quacks for a checkup.
The only reference to a family I can find that has both Walter and Alfred in in Whimple in Devon.
Frank b 1855 Whimple m Allice b 1855 Sidbury
Children
William b 1877 Wales
Emma b 1879 Whimple
Walterb 1880 Whimple
Alfred b 1881 Whimple
I also know there is a link between them and moving to Cardiff.
I wonder if they are the ones I seek.
BFN
PeterY
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Hmmm. That Alfred seems to be an Alfred Henry Stark.
(birth Alfred Henry Stark Jun 1881 St Thomas 5b 55)
I can't see him after 1881 and there's a possible death:
Alfred Henry Stark age 1
Dec 1882 Cardiff 11a 216
(not saying it's necessarily him)
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Do you know when Alfred died, just so we can check his birth year?
(There's an Alfred William Stark registered in Cardiff in 1898)
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I haven't any dates at the moment, but the Alfred I need to locate lived a long life.
He married Daisy and was at my wedding in 1971 and lived quite a few years after that.
It must be the one born in Cardiff or there are some I know born in London about that time, but his brother Walter lived almost as long as he did so they have to be or record somewhere.
I can remember Walter as living in London though that doesn't mean born in London does it?
I'll try and get to see the family, but they are all semi-recluses.
Thanks for your help as it at least gives me some direction
BFN
PeterY
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PS yes I did see your posting about Olive.
I have found a similar, but the married name is Bound.
PeterY
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Sorry, I did mean Bound (it's my German accent coming through, probably ;D)
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Hi
Your marriage was on the dot, and I have found a similar to add weight to it.
I found Alfred John Stark married Florence Daisy Bound in 1923 Cardiff.
Alfred was son of John b 1850 Whimple in Devon and Lucy b 1852 b Clyst St Thomas in Devon.
I've also found a large amount of starks that came toCardiff from Whimple at the same time and with any luck they will be related as well.
I will check this out when I go to the records office tomorrow.
Many thanks for your help.
I just need to find Florences Birth and Parents now.
BFN
PeterY
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The marriage cert will give her fathers name and occupation
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I found Alfred John Stark married Florence Daisy Bound in 1923 Cardiff.
Alfred was son of John b 1850 Whimple in Devon and Lucy b 1852 b Clyst St Thomas in Devon.
But the marriage index shows him as Alfred W ???
Marriage Dec 1923
Alfred W Stark - spouse Florence D Bound
Cardiff 11a 851
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Hi
What I was given was:
Alfred John Stark m Florence Daisy Bound 1923 (Cardiff Registration District)
together with children are:
Thelma H Stark 1924 Cardiff
Olive E 1926 Stark Cardiff
Bernard E Stark 1928 Cardiff
Pauline Stark 1931 Cardiff
This all does seem to tie in with what bits (and I mean bits) coming from the family. Olive being my Wife's mother and the rest Aunties and Uncle
I hope to arrange a visit to either Pauline or Thelma next week, but not holding too much hope on that.
My trip to the Glam Record Office has been change to Monday due to unforseen circumstances.
However, as tomorrow is the big day,(our aniv) I have enough to tell my wife about her grandfather.
Thanks everyone for their help.
PeterY
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Hi
Tati I think you have been spot on yet again.
It seems as if everything is upside down again with me chasing the wrong man.
I now can prove who Alfred was by virtue of a house he owned in 1955-7 which was owned by Alfred W Stark b 1898.
I can also now go back to his grandfather.
Father Bernard Adolphous b 1874, Bedminster Bristol wife Ellen Jewel which as yet I have little on.
G/Father Edmund b 1842 Shepton W Martha b 1841 Twerton.
Bernard was one of five children.
Of course this is all yet to be verified, but it does blend in the mix better.
Bound is definately the G/Mother as per my wife's mother aunt and uncles birth records. We know she was called Daisy as everyone called her that. Anything else is exc b 5 Feb 1904 and death 1996 Southampton is all unknown.
Hope this all makes sense and thanks again.
BFN
PeterY
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I like that better!
Do you want census returns for these people?
1901
RG13/4985 20 31 & 32
Canton, Glamorgan
31 Wyndham St
B Stark, head, 29, General Dealer, own account, b. Bristol
Ellen, wife, 35, b. Somerset Dulverton
A, son, 6, b. Glamorgan Cardiff
Hettie, dau, 4, b. Cardiff
Alfred, son, 3, b. do.
R, son, 9 mo, b. do.
Maybe R is in fact Walter - there's a birth
Walter Reuben J Stark
Sep 1900 Cardiff 11a 396
Bernard in 1881 with his parents, which I assume you have:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=5897745
RG11/2465 75 17
I'm wondering if Ellen wasn't a little older than she pretended to be. There's an Ellen Jewell in Cardiff on earlier censuses, born ca. 1860 Dulverton (daughter of William and Caroline)
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Hi
Yes I think I am up and ruinning with you at the moment.
I have found Bernard (Burnard) at Wyndham St an this looks about right too.
I didn't have Walter Reuben Stark thogh.
Ellen sounds plausable and I will do some more work in that area. I have already noted her, but was half waiting for someone to comeback from within the family, but, as usual, I think I will have to do chasing.
Hettie keps ringing bells in my head and I am sure something was said about her a long time ago, but what is another thing?
I thik this is as close as it gets without a visit to Somerst Records which I may do when I'm next at my Caravan in Devon.
Happy Hunting and THANKS again
BFN
PeterY
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Hi,
By the way, the other Ellens I am looking into are:
born 1864, 71, 77, 80
1864
Elizabeth (Head)
2 Grosvenor Terr
Cencus Place Barnstaple
1871
William & Jane
Slade Road
Census Place Ilfracombe
1877
Lodger withtwo other sisters at
1 Belvedere Cottages
Cencus Place Ilfracombe
1880
John & Mary
13 Pimlico
Census Place Bideford
All these could reasonably be in the frame until I can rule them out.
It's a fun game isn't it
BFN
PeterY
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None of the above Ellens were born Dulverton Somerset though, and 1880 seems very much out ... she'd have been only 14 when she married. Ellen is down as 35 in 1901 when her husband is only 29 - I doubt she'd have said that if she was only 21.
There's one Ellen Jewell registered in Dulverton Jun 1866 who could be another contender - unfortunately I can't see her on any census :-\
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Hi
I had an email this morning from someone in Genes Reuinited. They sent me certificates following the families of Alfred,
his parents Bernard and Ellen,
his Grand parents Edmund and Martha
and G/Grandparents Daniel b 1806 and Frances b 1811 from Shepton Mallet
Edmund b 1841 Shepton Mallet
Martha 1841 Twerton
Bernard b 1874 Bedminster
Ellen b 1860 Dulverton
Mariied 1894 Cardiff
Alfred W b 1898 Cardiff
Florence Daisy Bond 5 Feb 1904 posibly Southampton where she died in 1996
m 1923 Cardiff
I still have to verify things, but she appears to be related to the Stark family as she has quite a bit of info on them in her tree.
Could she be right?
PeterY
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Seems to confirm what we have found so far :)
Edmund's wife was Martha (Caroline) Alder, born 1841 Twerton Somerset.
Can't find Florence Daisy's birth though.
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More complications.
Florence D Bound was Alfred W Starks wife, but she died in Cardiff on the 6th May 1961 at the age of 59 making her born 1902.
This came from her death certificate.
We found James Carbis's Birth cert,(Olive Stark's husband) but all that was on it was the date 13 th June 1925. He died in a RTA on way home when my wife was 4.
At least I can now begin to check on Florence knowing her birth year and will be making another trip to the records office next week.
BFN
PeterY
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Maybe?
Birth registration
Florence Daisy Bounds
Dec 1901
Reading 2c 349
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That fits in quite well especially if the birth was late 1901 for she would be 59 when she died.
I just received details of a birth cert found on Ancestry,
Edwardus Stark b 21 Nov 1842 Shepton Mallet
Parents Danielis Scott Stark & Franciscae
Maternal Grandfather name Case
Also with that and with same parents and all Chr Shepton Mallet came.
Sara 19 Feb 1835
Chr 23 Mar 1835
Daniel 27/Sept/1836 Male
Chr 1 Jan 1837
Francisca 26 Feb 1839 Female
Chr 24 Mar 1839
Thomas 20 Dec 1840
Chr 24 Jan 1841
Maria Cecilia 23 Nov 1844 Female
Chr 25 Mar 1845
Jacobus 22 Sept 1846 Male
Chr 3 Nov 1846
Josephus 30 Apr 1849
Chr 27 May 1849
None of these show on census as far as I can see.
I was suggested they were of another generation.
I thought you might like to see that, but at the oment I am concentrating my effots on the direct relations i.e. Her parents etc.
Thanks for helping in any case
BFN
peterY
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None of these show on census as far as I can see.
1841: HO107/963/11 29 16
1851: HO107/1933 517 4
1861 for parents and a few siblings: RG9/1662 4 2
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Hi, My ancestor, Richard Case is a brother of Frances Case who married Daniel Stark. I have a number of records on the family if you are interested.
Regards
Cai
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Hello Cai,
I am very sorry but you have just replied to a member that we have sadly lost contact with (there is a little note underneath their name)
However old members do contact us frequently regarding changed email addresses etc Hopefully this member may do too.
Regards
Sarah