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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: ronsaghey on Tuesday 24 February 09 03:56 GMT (UK)
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Hi:
Would anybody have any information on a Richard Tummon? He was the Innkeeper at the Ship Inn in Newquay and died in 1847 at the age of 59, giving a birth year of 1788. I'm particularly interested in finding out where he was born and his parents. Thanks.
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Welcome to rootschat.
Your man should be in the 1841 census but that will not tell you where he died except whether or not it was in the county in which the census was taken. yes/ no to that question on the return. and it's not always reliable.
It is a way to start looking for him so why not narrow your question down to asking for a 1841 lookup for him?
Another way of coming at something about him is for you to see what you can find out about the Ship Inn...have you looked on G**gle pics to see if there is a pic of it there?
A few ideas and good luck.
charlotte
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Hi:
I did google it and most likely the name of the Inn has changed or it no longer exists. Richard Tummon is on the 1841 census for St. Columb Minor parish:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/40149e.html
Book 8 Folio 11 Page 15
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Also there is this:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CORNISH/2009-01/1231997999
The last listing under deaths refers to Richard Tummon.
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Hullo again,
Why don't you ask a Library near Newquay if they have any pictures in books about the area of the Inn? I'll bet you get one that way- and it's easy for them to scan and email the pic.
Worth a try.
charlotte
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Hi:
What I may end up doing is contacting the OPC for Newquay. OPC is online parish clerk. http://cornwall-opc.org/
Thanks for the suggestion.
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Good idea... let us know how you get on.
charlotte
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Hi Ron,
A big welcome to RootsChat and the Cornwall Board.
I am not home at the moment but have my microfiche with me so will go to the library and dig a little deeper tomorrow. This involves some of my parishes of interest.
For now I can tell you that
Richard TUMMON = Jane CARIVECK Crantock 28 Mar 1809
From the IGI I note some baptisms St Col Minor
I have the fiche for Crantock and St Columb Minor as well as Newquay (althought Newquay records are later - during this period you will find Crantock and St Columb Minor are where the entries will be.)
1841 Richard 50 and Family are in Newquay where Richard is listed as a publican aged 50 b Cornwall. Also in Crantock we have William a farmer aged 55 and Ann and family. (1851 he states he was born in St Merryn aged 65) Most of the Tummon activity seems to be from there but the earliest record I can find is the marriage of:
Matthew TUMMON Widow = Catherine KENT Widow 8 Dec 1784.
Then next we have these marriages in St Merryn, - too soon to be the children of Matthew and Catherine but possibly his children from a previous marriage.
Samuel TUMMON = Ann MORCOMBE 16 Apr 1799
Cotton TUMMON = Elizabeth MORECUMBE 6 Oct 1804
Looks a little suspect that this may be brothers marrying sisters. ;)
Rather interesting that William and Ann name a son Cotton. Richard and Jane name a son Matthew. I am convinced there is a connection – yet I see nothing prior to the 1784 for the name TUMMON or variants in Cornwall so that tells me they have come from “away”.
Unfortunately I don't have the St Merryn Fiche so am unable to provide any detail from there, but I cannot see baptisms listed for either Richard or William. I do hope there marriage entries may prove a connection.
Will certainly be curious to see who witnessed the marriages. Will get back to you tomorrow when I know more.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi:
Samuel Tummon was my ggg grandfather. He was born about 1771. I have gone through the St. Merryn parish records and have the Tummon marriages, baptisms and burials for my branch of the tree.
Tummon is a Yorkshire surname.
I'm wondering if Matthew Tummon could be Samuel's father. Samuel had a grandson named Matthew by his youngest son Cotton.
Could Matthew Tummon have been a solider or sailor who was discharged after the American Revolution ended in 1783 and decided for whatever reason to settle in Cornwall?
Also, where does Richard Tummon fit in? He was born about 1788. Was he a brother of Samuel and Cotton or a different connection altogether?
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Well that is a pity. I had hoped the baptisms would appear in St Merryn but as you have been through the film and Richard and William are not there, I don't know what to suggest. These two baptisms do not appear to be listed elsewhere in Cornwall either. William states in 1851 that he was born in St Merryn and I suspect he is the son of Matthew.
From the Crantock side I am sorry to say I cannot prove a connection, though I am sure it exists. William named his son Cotton. You just don't pull a name like that out of thin air. I had hoped William and Richard may have witnessed each others marriages but no such luck. No Tummons were witnesses.
Richard TUMMON otp Bachelor = Jane CARIVECK otp Spinster Crantock by Banns 28 Mar 1809 Both signed (Jane signed Carrivick) Witnesses Mary Jenkin and Ann Carrivick
Banns read Crantock between Richard TUMMON otp Bachelor and Jane CARIVICK otp spinster 12, 19, 26 Mar 1809
Richard TOOMAN of Newquay buried 15 July 1847 Crantock aged 59 years
Now I note in 1841 Richard had a son Matthew which does seem to tie in with St Merryn. I do suspect that Samuel and Cotton are Matthews sons by a previous marriage. Personally I see no reason to tie the American Revolution into this certainly not without proof. (not the sort of reason one would normally see suggested for migration)
People moved for many reasons and there was quite a bit of migration between Cornwall and the North of England. In fact I do see a Samuel TUMMOND was baptised Smeaton Yorkshire WR father Mathew 27 Feb 1774. Unfortunately I do not see a Cotton listed.
Kris :)
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William TUMMON otp = Ann MORRISH otp Crantock by banns 18 Nov 1815 Wiliam signed, Ann signed with her mark. Witnesses Nicholas Bradford and John Morrish
William TOOMAN of East Pentire was buried Crantock 27 Oct 1859 aged 74
baptisms to William and Ann
Samuel 19 Mar 1816 father farmer otp
John 26 Jul 1818 father Farmer of Eastern Pentire
Mary 14 May 1821 father Farmer of East Pentire itp
Cotton 19 Sep 1824 father Farmer of Pentire itp
So he had a Samuel and a Cotton
Cheers Kris :)
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Now back to Richard and The Ship Inn. It appears to be now "The Victoria Bars" in King Street Newquay. I cannot find a photo but the way this is worded possibly the original building has been replaced.
http://www.newquayvoice.co.uk/nvnews/news/newsItem.php?news_id=749&offset=q&phpShop=ebb807b7db731ae521e1bfc801b04583
Richard did have a connection to the sea. This is right by the wharf so he would have been catering to mariners
In 1841 he had a son Matthew. I cannot find a baptism for matthew at all but I did find his burial
Matthew TOOMAN of Newquay aged 32 years buried 20 Jun 1848 Crantock
Either he changed his name or there is no baptism.
The baptisms I found to Richard and Jane in two parishes are
John 30 Apr 1809 Crantock
Ann 6 May 1811 St Columb Minor
Francis 19 Jul 1814 St Columb Minor Father Yeoman otp
Margaret Carivick 15 Jun 1816 St Columb Minor Father Mariner otp buried Crantock 21 June 1816 aged infant
Margaret 11 Apr 1819 St Columb Minor Father Mariner of Newquay
Margaret 29 May 1820 Crantock Father Husbandman of Newquay
now there is a Margaret buried on the same day - 29 May 1820 Infant, I guess this was the one baptised the previous year and they buried one and baptised another on the same day. This baptism said William and Jane – William was crossed out and replaced by Richard.
Christiana 3 Feb 1822 Father Fisherman of Newquay
Cheers Kris :)
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If William Tummon died in Crantock in October 1859, that gives him a birth year of 1785. If Matthew Tummon married Catherine Kent on December 8, 1784, could William be their son?
Also, what might bring a Yorkshireman to Cornwall?
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Also, I only have the baptisms for Samuel Tummon's childen. I never checked the St. Merryn registers for any baptisms in 1785.
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I suspect William and Richard are Matthews Children but I cannot find the baptisms listed. - William in particular when looking at the names of his children. ;)
Re Migration - We are talking the onset of the Industrial Revolution, machinery began to take over. When looking for connections between Cornwall and Yorkshire one would have to look closely at the mining industry. This was the period of growth in industry of all types - Agriculture, Shipbuilding, the wool and textile industries, ass well as mining. Steam Technology was seen the way of the future in the late 18th century. The fishing industry is another possibility of course.
Kris
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I've just sent off an e-mail to Susan Old, the OPC for St. Merryn to ask if there were any baptisms in St. Merryn for William and Richard.
I've also joined the Yorkshire rootsweb mailing list and put a general query on that about my Tummons.
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Susan Old confirmed that William Tummon is Matthew Tummon's son but couldn't find any baptism for Richard Tummon.
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Just for information, The Victoria Bars is known locally as Vic Bars and if you go onto http://www.newquayvoice.co.uk and enter vic bars in the news search box you will find quite a few recent articles about it.
Lynda
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Thanks for the site. I did find a little bit of information about the Ship Inn through there as well.
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Hi, the family does seem to originate from Yorkshire. I would say this is Cotton Tummons chr 9 Jul 1776 Kirk Smeaton Yorkshire father Matthew name is entered as Cotton Tumham. Good luck Terry
ps a Catherine Tummon chr 1799 St. Merryn wed a cousin of mine Thomas Andrew 28 Apr 1825, they had 6 children before 1841 Census. family seem to have emigrated before 1851. One of the Cotton Tummons already mentioned above emigrated to Canada just after 1851 census. Cotton's sister Elizabeth who wed James Hoskin emergrated to Canada 1843