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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Gibson1900 on Sunday 22 February 09 14:07 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I am looking for the family of James Gibson (1773? - Gribton, 1832), who married Mary McCall (1782, Leadhills - 1863, Gribton).
Their son Alexander Gibson (1805?, Glencairn - 29 September 1878, Dumfries) was my ggg grandfather. He married Janet Grierson (5 October 1806, Glencairn - 24 August 1868, Dumfries) on 17 June 1827. Janet was the daughter of James Grierson (20.5.1765-28.11.1851) and Isabel McMillan (born Holywood, 16 August 1782). Her grandparents were James Grierson and Elspeth Nicholson (1731-1788) and, possibly, William McMillian and Janet McKeand or McKane.
Other known children of James Gibson: Robert (1819? - Wanlockhead, 24 Jan 1848) and Isabella (born 24 Feb 1807, Glencairn). Robert Gibson married Margaret Brown of Gelston on 30 May 1845.
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Hi :)
was Alexander the first born son?
If so, the most likely baptism for James would be:
17 July 1774, Closeburn Parents - Alexander Gibson and Betty Richie.
I'll see if I can get a full listing of James's children to see if the traditional naming conventions were use.
Gadget
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The only bpt that is coming up on the IGI and Scotland's people is that of Isabella, which you have - 24 Feb 1807, Glencairn.
What is interesting is that there is a Thomas Gibson and Ann Callan having children in Glencairn at the same time. One of which is Alexander Gibson, bpt 12 Feb 1805.
Do you have the names of Mary McCall's parents?
Gadget
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Do you have the names of Mary McCall's parents?
Gadget
I'll answer my own question :D
Robert McCall and Isabel McKonnen
The Closeburn baptism for James is looking quite promising.
Gadget
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The only bpt that is coming up on the IGI and Scotland's people is that of Isabella, which you have - 24 Feb 1807, Glencairn.
Yes, we have run into the same problems – impossible to find a definite date of birth for Alexander and Robert. We know the approximate year because of the family gravestone in Holywood Churchyard:
In Memory of James Gibson, who died at Gribton on the 17th of December 1832 aged 59 years Also Robert Gibson, son of the above, who died at Wanlockhead 24th January 1848 aged 30 years Also Mary McCall, spouse of the above, who died at Gribton Lodge 17th Jan 1863 aged 82 years Also Janet Grierson, wife of Alexander Gibson their son, mason in Dumfries, who died there 24th August 1868 aged 63 years Also Margaret Gibson their daughter, who died there 25th October 1868 aged 35 years Also Janet Gibson their daughter, who died there 18th July 1871 aged 29 years Also the said Alexander Gibson, who died there 29th Sept 1878 aged 73 years Erected by Mary McCall his spouse
What is interesting is that there is a Thomas Gibson and Ann Callan having children in Glencairn at the same time. One of which is Alexander Gibson, bpt 12 Feb 1805.
Yes, we believe that is just a coincidence. I have been in contact with members of that family. Their Alexander fits in nicely, but it is the wrong family! I believe this family had children Alexander (1805), James (1811), Thomas (1813), Janet (1814), Samuel (1815), William (1817)?
Do you have the names of Mary McCall's parents?
Yes, as you correctly write, we believe it is Robert McCall and Isabel McKonnen (or Isabella McConner).
You have been most helpful!!
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The censuses that I've looked at all have Alexander b. Glencairn 1805-1807. There might be some relationship between the two Glencairn families (i.e. James and Thomas Gibson) but further back.
Gadget
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Yes, I would presume so too. I do know that, of that family, James Smith Gibson (c. 1811-1884) married Margaret Grierson (1811-1876) in Glencairn in 1835, so there is another Gibson/Grierson union, of which there seems to be a lot in our family. But I have checked and Margaret Grierson is, to all intents and purposes, not a (close) relative of my ggg grandmother Janet Grierson.
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Here are the Gibson bpts from Closeburn 1760 -1785, father Alexander:
To Alexander Gibson and Sar(r)ah Gibson
31 May 1767 Thomas
29 May 1769 Sarrah
14 Feb 1772 Thomas (first one probably died)
To Alexander Gibson and Bettie Richie
17 July 1774 James
16 Feb 1777 Jean
23 Feb 1779 Bettie
6 Nov 1781 John
At the moment, I've not checked for any possible Banns/Marriages but it might be that Sarrah died and Alexander married again. This might mean that Thomas nad James were half sibs.
Just a thought!
Gadget
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and, for what it's worth, here are the Gibson bpts from Glencairn 1795 -1825
To James Gibson and Mary McCall
24 Feb 1807 Isabel
To Thomas Gibson and Ann Callan
12 Feb 1805 Alexander
22 Sept 1811 James Smith
9 May 1813 Thomas
26 June 1814 Janet
7 Aug 1815 Samuel
1 June 1817 William
To Thomas Gibson and Susanna Rachel (?)
14 Nov 1811 Susanna
To William Gibson and Janet Hyslop
27 Nov 1796 William
9 March 1800 Thomas Thomson
To William Gibson and Catherine Menney
25 Sept 1814 Janet
I'm sure there are links here somewhere :-\
Gadget
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Sorry to elbow in here and interrupt your thread,
Talking of Gibsons, I have a Isabella Gibson who was married to John Dickson (1776-1856), a blacksmith, probably 1799 or1800. They had a son Robert b 1800 in Mouswald. One of the census put Isabella as coming from Wamphrey. I have not been able to find a birth or marriage record for her. Has anyone come across her before? John Dickson was a brother of my 3G Grandfather, Thomas Dickson (1790-1869) of Woodside.
Cheers
Dicko
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Hi Mick
Which censuses do you have Isabella in and what was her age on them?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget.
The 1841 census of Mouswald, shows Isabella as 67 in Mouswald Village itself with John. The 1851 shows her aged 74 and born in Wamphray, DMS. Thats the last I see her, John died in 1856 a widower, so she must have died bet. 1851 and 1856. Haven't found their MI either.
Cheers
Mick
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Just been looking . It does look as if she died then :(
Have you got a list of their children's names in birth order and John's parents' names. They might have used the traditional naming pattern and we might be able to narrow down her parents' names from that.
Gadget
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Gadget,
Only one child that I have found, Robert born 1800 in Mouswald. John's parents were Richard and Elspeth. Robert in turn married Janet Irving and they had Janet, John, Isabella, Catherine & Thomas. Anyone have a copy of the Mouswald MIs?
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Hi Mick
Have you seen this bpt in Wamphray (only one showing for Gibson 1750 - 1795 )
19 May 1751 John Gibson. Parents - John Gibson and Isobel Gibson
I'm wondering if you Isabella could be a relative of some kind - maybe a granddaughter. It's worth following up.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget,
Great lead, will look into it.
Mick
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Also, on the 1841 there are 8 Gibsons in Wamphray:
Beck, Wamphray
John 45, slater
Mary , 50
Mary, 13
Adam, 10
Newtown, Wamphray
Jane, 65, ag lab
Mary, 20
Jane, 20
Stemushill, Wamphrey
Agness, 20, Female servant in the home of David Kennedy
It might be worth following them all up to see if there are any leads. Note that in the 1841 people over 15 had their ages rounded down and were usually displayed in 5 year age bands - 15= 15-19, 20 = 20 -24, 25 = 25-29, 30=30-34, etc.
Gadget
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A bit more - if you can't find a birth/marriage, it is sometimes worthwhile doing a sweep of the parish:
IGI Extracted
Marriages of Gibsons in Wamphray:(1751-1814)
5 Aug 1752 William to Jean Marchbanks
24 July 1757 William to Agnes Gibson
25 Nov 1753 Alexander to Janet(t) Gendining
23 May 1814 Isabella to John Pearson
Gadget
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Hi folks. I have a copy of the Mouswald MI,s if you need anything looked up
akc
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Hi akc,
Can you check the various Dickson MIs in Mouswald for John Dickson died 1856 and his wife Isabella /Isobel Gibson (died bet. 1851 and 1856)?
Thanks
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Hi Mick, I looked through the Mouswald MI book with no luck but in the Old Parochial deaths there is John Dickson died 15 July 1856 and Isabella Gibson died 9 June 1853 both in Mouswald Village
akc
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I'll have a look at the 1856 one as I only checked Wamphray before :)
Gadget
Added - I see that you have this one and it's Isabella that you are interested in. Unfortunately, Isabella won't be on the statuatory registers if she died 1853 :(
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Excellent akc,
Thanks very much... a hole is filled. I think that would be the Isabella I was after. ;D
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There are 60 Dickson memorial inscriptions in the Mouswald book so there may be more of your relatives there but only 2 for Gibson
akc
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60 you say, I only have 28 of them so far through pics etc from some contacts I've had who have visited the churchyard. I did even submit some to the DGFHS MI Project in case they didn't have them, hopefully they got into the booklet. Yes quite a few are probably related to me but have not been able find my 4G Grandparents deaths (Richard & Elpseth)to work out which of the other Dickson families I am related to.