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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: JAP on Monday 14 February 05 04:06 GMT (UK)
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Happy to do lookups in the 1841 census in the parishes of Aberdour, Burntisland and Dalgety.
JudyP
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Thanks for your kind offer, Judy,
Could you look up a MITCHELL family in Dalgety in the 1841 census for me please?
Father: William MITCHELL born 1790 in Dalgety. Occupation, coal miner. (not alive in 1851 census)
Mother: Janet MITCHELL m.s. PATERSON born 1797 in Dalgety (aka Mary in 1851 census)
Children: Stewart MITCHELL born 1823 in Dalgety
Janet MITCHELL born 1824 in Dalgety
Thank you very much :D
Lorraine
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Hello Lorraine,
MITCHELL is not an uncommon name in the 1841 Dalgety.
Here are the only possibilities (remember, ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5, relationships were not shown, and birthplace indicated only the county).
DALGETY
ED 1, page 12
Terrace Row (the enumerator doesn't specify where Terrace Row is - before it are Crossgates, Springhill, Mossgreen, and Ansonhill then Terrace Row followed by Durham Row, back to Terrace Row, then Fary Fa, then Square).
MITCHELL Janet, F, 35, Outdoor Labourer, born Fife
MITCHELL Stewart, F, 15, Coal Miner, born Fife
Janet's age not right for you - but ages were notoriously unreliable; if you think she would have been 43/44 she only had to drop it to 39 to be recorded as 35.
Stewart/Stuart would have been ca 18 so would have been recorded as 15.
No sign of father William.
There is a possible Janet jnr in Dalgety (she would have been ca 17 so would have been recorded as 15) as follows:
ED 4, page 3
St Davids
DRYSDALE James, M, 15, Farmer, b FIF
DRYSDALE Isabella, F, 50, b FIF
DRYSDALE Rankeillor, F, 15, b FIF
DRYSDALE William, M, 13, b FIF
DRYSDALE Abiel, M, 11, b FIF
MITCHELL James, M, 20, Ag Lab, b FIF
ADDISON William, M, 15, Ag Lab, b FIF
JULVEER Catherine, F, 20, Female Servant, b FIF
MITCHELL Janet, F, 15, Female Servant, b FIF
There's also a Janet MITCHELL, F, 14, Female Servant, b FIF in a household in Burntisland but she's too young.
Judy
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Thank you very much for that prompt reply, Judy. The info is a great help!
Cheers,
Lorraine
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Re LIVINGSTON, Hugh and Cecilia.
There are quite a few LIVINGSTONs in Aberdour.
Here are Hugh and Cecilia and family (ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 in the 1841, no relationships were shown).
HS410401
Aberdour
ED2, Page 7
Wester Village, North Side
LIVINGSTONE [sic], all born Fife, no occupations shown for anyone other than Hugh.
Hugh 36, labourer
Cecilia 30
Elizabeth 15
Agnes 9
James 7
Robert 5
Cecilia 4
David 3
Jane 1
Regards,
JAP
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Re DOVER
Burntisland 1841 census
ED 1, page 12
High Street North
DOVER James, 65, Shoemaker, b FIF
DOVER Mary, 60, b FIF
DOVER David, 25, Tailor, b FIF
No other DOVERs in Burntisland
None in Aberdour or Dalgety
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Hello Judy,
Could I take you up on your kind offer .
I wouldn't normally ask for a general search but if possible could you send me details of DRYSDALE families in Dalgety . I am trying to sort out my DRYSDALE ancestors and any help would be appreciated . I have noted a previous reply for Isabella and family at St. Davids .
Thanks in advance ,
David
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Hello David,
DRYSDALE in Aberdour, Burntisland and Dalgety, 1841 census.
ABERDOUR
ED 1, page 2
Village of Aberdour Easter
CHANSERS(?), Margt., 45, b FIF
DRYSDALE, Margt., 20, b FIF
OWEN, Catherine, 14, b FIF
ANDERSON, Robert, 3, b FIF
ANDERSON, Robert, 30, Labourer, b FIF
ED 1, page 8
Village of Aberdour Easter
DRYSDALE Mary, 60, b FIF
FISHER Cesillia, 12, b FIF
ED 4, page 3
Mukle Couston
SYME William, 30, Farmer, b out of the county
" Margaret, 30, b FIF
" Margaret G, 1, b FIF
" John, 4m, b FIF
MOYES Ann, 25, Female Servant, b FIF
DRYSDALE Jean, 25, Female Servant, b FIF
ED 5, page 7
Wester Bucklyvie
BUTTERS James, 35, Farmer, b FIF
" Ann, 30, b FIF
" Hugh, 8, b FIF
" James, 6, b FIF
" Isabell, 4, b FIF
" Janet, 2, b FIF
LUVE Hannah, 30, Female Servant, b FIF
PATON Julia, 15, Female Servant, b FIF
DRYSDALE Andrew, 15, Male Servant, b FIF
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BURNTISLAND
ED 1, page 20
High Street North
DRYSDALE, Joan, 20, Female Servant, b FIF
(Yes, it did seem to be a household of one)
ED 2, page 2
Back Street
DRYSDALE, Ann, 15, b FIF
LESLIE, Ann, 9m, b FIf
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DALGETY
See next post.
JAP
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David,
DRYSDALE in Dalgety, 1841 Census
DALGETY
ED 2, page 5
Square
DRYSDALE Robert, 45, Groom
" Janet, 48
" Festus, 15, Ag Lab
" William, 13
" Jean, 10
All b FIF
ED 2, page 9
Muir Row
DRYSDALE Ebenr., 36, Ag Lab
" Grace, 33, b out of the county
" Thomas, 9
" Ebenezer, 7
" Agnes, 11
" Jean, 1
All except Grace b FIF
Also ED 2, page 9, Muir Row (separated from the above by one uninhabited building)
DRYSDALE John, 58, Farmer
" Jean, 70
" Janet, 25
(household continues on page 10)
DRYSDALE Margaret, 20
" John, 18, Ag Lab
" James, 20, Ag Lab
ADAMSON Alexr., 14
All b FIF
ED 3, page 6
Clink Hill
DRYSDALE Willm, 80, Ag Lab
" Elizabeth, 70
Both b FIF
ED 4, page 1
Hillend
DRYSDALE William, 50, Ag Lab
" Elizabeth, 45
" Elizabeth, 25
" Isabella, 15
" Helen, 13
" Janet, 10
" Mary, 10
All b FIF
ED 4, page 3
St Davids
DRYSDALE James, M, 15, Farmer
" Isabella, F, 50
" Rankeillor, F, 15
" William, M, 13
" Abiel, M, 11
MITCHELL James, M, 20, Ag Lab
ADDISON William, M, 15, Ag Lab
JULVEER Catherine, F, 20, Female Servant
MITCHELL Janet, F, 15, Female Servant
All b FIF
Plenty of DRYSDALEs! I hope you can sort them out.
JAP
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Thanks Judy,
All I have to do now is sort them all out and try to link them to my tree !
David
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Dear Judy,
Can you please have a look in Burntisland for this family - they were there in 1851, so hopefully they will show up in 1841 also!
Robert Swan b@1795 (Sailor) & his wife Euphemia b@1792, known children - Jean 1816, Henry 1819, Ann 1823, Robert 1826, David 1826, William, 1827, Euphemia 1829, Elizabeth 1831 & Lawrence (Laurence) 1833.
Also Robert's brothers Lawrence (Laurence) 1790, David 1792 & Henry 1802. All born in Burntisland.
Thanks
K-C
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K-C,
SWANs in Burntisland, 1841
ED2, page 1
Back Street
SWAN Campbell 45, F.Seaman, born FIF
SWAN Euphemia 45 b FIF
SWAN David 15, Cooper Apprentice, born in Scotland but not Fife (i.e. OUC)
SWAN Robert 15 b OUC
SWAN William 14 b OUC
SWAN Euphemia 12 b OUC
SWAN Laurence 7 b FIF
ED2, page 4/5
Back Street
SWAN William 60 Miller
SWAN Helen 30
SWAN Catherine 15
SWAN John 15
All above b FIF
None in Aberdour or Dalgety.
Unfortunately, the 1841 rounds ages down for people aged 15 and above, and does not give marital status or relationships.
William SWAN the Miller looks like the one who married Margaret GLASS in 1802 (North Leith/Burntisland). Births of about 11 children to them are in the IGI including Hellon 1808, Catherine 1822, and John 1825.
I can't find any Robert SWAN but it looks as though his full name was Robert Campbell SWAN? A marriage of a Campbell SWAN to a Euphemia DEWAR in South Leith, 1815, is in the IGI. And births to parents of those names - Jean b 1816 BI, Henry b 1819 BI, Benjamin Oliver bap 1821 South Leith, Ann bap 1823 South Leith, David & Robert bap 1825 South Leith, William b 1827 Stanraer Wigton, Euphemia b 1829 Stornoway R&C, Elisabeth bap 1831 BI (all with father's name as Campbell), Laurence 1832 BI (father's name as Robert Campbell).
You mention approximate birth years. A Robert Campbell SWAN was b 4 Jun 1795 BI, parents Robert SWAN and Elizabeth NIDDERY.
JAP
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Hi Jap many thanx for the offer
My Gt,Gt,Gt Grandadfather was William Lindsay 1840 Burntisland the Information I have here , I'm not sure if its 100% I got passed it from a 5th cousin living in canada, any info at all woul be great but if u cant find ny then thanx again for trying
Mihael...
THOMAS6 LINDSAY (THOMAS5, ROBERT4, THOMAS3, JAMES2 LYNDSAY, UNKNOWN1 LINDSAY)1 was born 17 Jul 1805 in Lower Largo, Fife1, and died Jan 1877 in Largo, Fife2. He married CHARLOTTE SIBBALD3 06 May 1828 in Lower Largo, Fife4, daughter of WILLIAM SIBBALD and MARGARET. She was born Bet. 1805 - 1807 in Largo, Fife5, and died Apr 1887 in Largo, Fife6.
More About THOMAS LINDSAY:
Burial: 11 Jan 1877, Largo Cemetery, Largo, Fife6
Christening: 22 Jul 1805, Lower Largo, Fife7
Occupation: Bet. 1841 - 1851, Linen Hand Loom Weaver8
Notes for CHARLOTTE SIBBALD:
One of her daughters, Jane, had an illegitimate son with a Mr. White, since on the 1881 British Census she had a 9 year old grandson named Archibald born in Largo visiting her. She was living at Bayview Cottage in Largo in 1881.
More About CHARLOTTE SIBBALD:
Burial: 15 Apr 1887, Largo Cemetery, Largo, Fife9
Occupation: 1871, Linen Weaver10
Children of THOMAS LINDSAY and CHARLOTTE SIBBALD are:
i. THOMAS7 LINDSAY11, b. Bef. 17 Aug 1828, Largo, Fife11; m. CHRISTIAN FORGAN12, 05 Jan 1857, Lundinmill, Largo, Fife12; b. Bef. 31 Jan 1829, Kilconquhar, Fife12.
Notes for THOMAS LINDSAY:
Thomas was listed as unmarried and lived at home in the 1851 British Census.
More About THOMAS LINDSAY:
Christening: 17 Aug 1828, Largo, Fife13
Occupation: 1851, Linen Hand Loom Weaver14
More About CHRISTIAN FORGAN:
Christening: 31 Jan 1829, Kilconquhar, Fife15
Occupation: Bet. 1841 - 1857, Weaveress16
ii. MARGARET LINDSAY17, b. Abt. 02 Jan 1832, Largo, Fife17; d. Aft. 187118.
Notes for MARGARET LINDSAY:
She lived at home and was unmarried on the 1871census.
More About MARGARET LINDSAY:
Christening: 29 Jan 1832, Largo, Fife19
Occupation: 1851, Weaver 20
iii. CAROLINE LINDSAY21,22, b. 29 Sep 1838, Lower Largo, Fife22; d. Jun 187823.
Notes for CAROLINE LINDSAY:
She was listed as unmarried and living at home on the 1871 British Census.
More About CAROLINE LINDSAY:
Burial: 30 Jul 1878, Largo Cemetery, Largo, Fife23
Occupation: 1851, Pirn Winder - Yarn24
2. iv. WILLIAM LINDSAY, b. 30 Dec 1840, Largo, Fife.
3. v. JEAN LINDSAY, b. 21 May 1844, Largo, Fife; d. Aft. 1871.
4. vi. JOHN LINDSAY, b. 24 Sep 1846, Lower Largo, Fife.
vii. JAMES LINDSAY25, b. 10 May 1849, Largo, Fife25; d. 02 Mar 1873, Lundinmill, Largo, Fife26.
Notes for JAMES LINDSAY:
He was listed as single and living at home on the 1871 British Cenus.
He died at 0800 hrs.
More About JAMES LINDSAY:
Burial: 12 Mar 1873, Largo Cemetery, Largo, Fife27
Cause of Death: Hemorrhage from malignant polyphus of cheek bone (of many years standing)28
Occupation: 1871, Coal dealer29
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM7 LINDSAY (THOMAS6, THOMAS5, ROBERT4, THOMAS3, JAMES2 LYNDSAY, UNKNOWN1 LINDSAY)30 was born 30 Dec 1840 in Largo, Fife30. He married MARY ANN SHORT 06 Jun 1863 in cromwell road Burntisland. She was born 1836 in Burntisland, , Fife, Scotland.
Children of WILLIAM LINDSAY and MARY SHORT are:
5. i. WILLIAM8 LINDSAY, b. 03 Apr 1872, Cromwell Road Burntisland @ 02:00 am.
ii. THOMAS LINDSAY, b. 16 May 1864, Burntisland, Fife, Scotland.
iii. MARY ANN LINDSAY, b. 19 Jul 1866, Burntisland, Fife, Scotland.
iv. JOHN ROBIN LINDSAY, b. 28 Mar 1870, Burntisland, Fife/ Scotland.Perth, ???; m. BETSY CHRISTIE PATON, 17 Mar 1905, Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland.
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Michael,
There are no LINDSAYs (or similar), SHORTs or SIBBALDs in the 1841 census in Burntisland.
You say that William LINDSAY was b 1840 in Burntisland but the details you provide list his birthplace as Largo. There are extracted entries (also some LDS submissions) in the IGI for children of Thomas LINDSAY and Charlotte SIBBALD - they include William born in 1840 in Largo.
Your details say that William married Mary Ann SHORT in Burntisland in 1863 (this marriage - extracted entry - is in the IGI), and that Mary Ann had been born in Burntisland in 1836.
There are two LDS submissions in the IGI for a Mary Ann SHORT b Fife round about this time, both with parents listed as John SHORT and Ann COOK. One gives birthdate and place as 1836 Burntisland, the other as 4 Jan 1833 Dunfermline. Perhaps Mary Ann was actually in Dunferline in 1841.
Regards,
JAP
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Many thanx Jap , Sorry I made a mistake, William Lindsay was born in Largo and married in Burntisland
thanx for looking
Michael..
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Happy to do lookups in the 1841 census in the parishes of Aberdour, Burntisland and Dalgety.
JudyP
Hi, could you do a look up in Burntisland for the MORRISON family please? I am looking for an Alexander Morrison and his wife Helen (nee Garnoch). Alexander was born 30 October 1794 in Burntisland.
I would be interested in any details of Alexander Morrison and family if you have them.
Thanks! Marp
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Dear marp,
I am very embarrassed to have to tell you that the information is on my other computer (not backed up onto this one) - and the other computer is currently down at the local Mr Fixit (and it may have a terminal disease ...).
However ...
A kind person on the Rootsweb Fife list at:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-FIFE.html
has the full Fife 1841 census (I believe) and is happy to do lookups.
My apologies,
JAP
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I have a feeling that the Robert Campbell Swan was known as Campbell until his father Robert died and then reverted to RCS
I am Michael Alan Swan, GGS of Lawrence - Robert Campbell - Alan Henson Swan - (*)
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I see that one of the people who replied to the Swan & Lindsay queries has the 1841 census for Burntisland could I ask her to check the name GLASS I have most of the family from then but a few are missing.
I have a Margaret Glass who married William Swan in 1802 and an Ann Lindsay who married John Glass in 1857
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There are a number of Glass entries showing in Burntisland in 1841. You can see these on FREECEN here www.freecen.org.uk Just make sure you click the right tabs and it will bring up the actual entries there for 1841. They also looks to have converage for 1851.
Monica