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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Gravity on Thursday 19 February 09 20:42 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any information on Ebenezer Chatfield, a confectioner by trade - born c1841 in Brighton; died c1928 also in Brighton; married 1859ish to Rebecca Hall.
Think his father was called Edward who was born around 1812 in the East Grinstead area.
Thanks
Bev
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Hi Bev - some good info here...
1851 Brighton - H0107 1646 F665 p32 and 33
No 24 Bond Street
Edward Chatfield 38 Confectioner and Baker 1 man employed b Ardingley
Sarah wife 41 b Laughton
Ebenezer son 10 b Brighon
Mercy dau 8 b Brighton
Isaac Chatfield nephew 18 Baker b Ardingley
Charles father 74 Parish releif Cordwainer b East Grinstead
Mary mother 72 do b Ardingley
Richard Rolf baker assistant 27 b Kent Tenterden
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And 1841 - HO107/1121/6 F31 p5
Brighton, Church Street
Edward Chatfield 29 Grocer
Sarah 30
Hepzibah 3
Ebenezer 1
Adah Guila 10
all answer yes to born in County
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Any idea who Adah is? she's indexed as Chatfield.
So..........
possible marriage and the best match from SMI if you suppose Hepzibah to be their first child
Brighton 13th April 1837
Edward CHATFIELD bach and Sarah GLADMAN sp botp (B)
no further info given.
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Thanks for those.
Have to check out those other names and the possible marriage and see if I can find anything further.
Not a clue on Adah Guila... doesn't sound an overly English name though ??? Found a death record for a Hepzabah Chatfield who died in 1843 in Brighton though so maybe s/he didn't survive.
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hi gravity, this may not help you, but i was going to make a post with the same title when i saw yours. i have just received the marriage cert. of my gtgtgtgrandfather to find he married a mary ann chatfield in brighton1849. her father is named as william chatfield [ironmonger], i cannot find mary & william together on the 41 census . as you may know their seems to be quite a few chatfields in the brighton area.regards, youngtug.
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Hi youngtug
Unfortunately Mary Ann isn't relevant to my Chatfield tree but thanks for the reply anyway. However there are so many Chatfields all over Sussex that it wouldn't surprise me if they were actually related somewhere along the line! :)
Bev
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Hi
Adah did survive because she appears in the marriages in the March quarter of 1860.
Chatfield Adah Zillah ref Brighton 2b 212 (FreeBMD)
Perhaps her M cert has a different father (or mother?)
Adah's husband was William Webb who she married at St Nicholas church on 11 Jan 1860 (IGI)
So have look for her on the 1851 census under Chatfield and the 61 & 71 censuses under Webb
Here she is on the 1881 census.
1 Howard Terrace Brighton, Sussex, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1088 / 10 Page Number 13
William WEBB 65 Hove, Sussex, England Carpenter Employing 1 Man
Adeh Zillah WEBB Wife 50 Isfield, Sussex, England Toy & Sweet Shop
Adeh Zillah WEBB Daur U 20 Brighton, Sussex, England Assistant Shop
So her birthplace is now quoted as Isfield and not Brighton. You need to radiate your research a bit.
Edward was from Ardingly (close-ish to Isfield) so perhaps she was actually a daughter of an unmarried sister of Edward?
Roy G
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Forgot you were initially after info on Ebenezer.
1881 census
15 & 16 Bond St Brighton, Sussex, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1091 / 103 Page Number 27
Ebenezer CHATFIELD Head 40 Brighton, Sussex, England Confectioner Employ 7 Men 3 Boys 3 Woman
Rebecca CHATFIELD Wife 43 Brighton, Sussex, England
Edwin CHATFIELD Son 20 Brighton, Sussex, England
William CHATFIELD Son 19 Brighton, Sussex, England
Amos CHATFIELD Son 17 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Annie CHATFIELD Dau 16 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Harry CHATFIELD Son 14 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Ellen CHATFIELD Dau 11 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Emma CHATFIELD Dau 9 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Louise CHATFIELD Dau 7 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Alice CHATFIELD Dau 5 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Eliza JANDER Servt 44 Ditchling, Sussex, England Servant Dom
Harriet RAMSLEY Servt 25 Brighton, Sussex, England Assistant Confectioner
Jane BORREN Servt 20 Assistant Confectioner
The size of his workforce suggests he manufactured as well as retailed.
Adah also said she worked in a toy and sweet shop in 1881, so she may have run another retail outlet for Ebenezer's sweets and employed her daughter as an assistant.
Roy G
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Thanks for all that information Roy, much appreciated.
I'll have to do more research on Adah and see if I can find out if she was the daughter of another sibling and I'll check the 61 & 71 census records to see if I can find her as a Webb.
Thanks again.
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Hi again
Edward's baptism in Ardingly does appear on the IGI.
Birth: 05 JUN 1812 Christening: 05 JUL 1812 Ardingly, Sussex.
Parents: who married in East Grinstead 7 July 1797 [IGI]
Father: CHARLES CHATFIELD Mother: MARY (Simmons)
both parents were living with the family at 24 Bond Street on 1851 census.
Siblings from IGI
CHARLES baptised 28 JAN 1798 East Grinstead
ISAACK baptised 18 JAN 1801 Ardingly, Sussex
MARY ANN baptised 20 APR 1803 Ardingly, Sussex
WILLIAM SYMONDS baptised 05 JAN 1808 Ardingly, Sussex
(EDWARD in 1812)
ADAH
Sadly the Isfield baptism records are not on the IGI,
but Edward was of an age, as were his elder siblings, to have also fathered or mothered Adah in 1830.
An alternative is that she was a daughter of Edward's wife Sarah, who arrived prior to their marriage.
(Sarah came from Laughton and the village of Ifield, not Isfield, is not too far from there)
Her listing on the 1841 census aged 10, after their younger children could suggest this.
I note that she was missing from the family on the 1851 census, but the answer may lie in Southwick.
In the 1851 census indexes, there is a 19 year old daughter with the Chatfield surname that the transcriber has been unable to decipher, with Southwick as her given birthplace. Although this is not the birthplace you seek, I still think it is worth your while to look that up. If you do, the reference given is Folio 234 house 216.
It may also help to know that Adah appears twice on the Genes Reuntied website.
She is being researched by a Linda Faulkner and a Kelly Smith.
Ebenezer and Edward by the way are also being researched by a Carol Pereiah.
These people may already have some of the answers you are looking for.
Roy G
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Found lots of information about Edward's wife Sarah from Laughton - her siblings, parents, grandparents which has been a bonus so thanks again to all for the information you found ;D
Gonna ask for a wee bit more help re. the Chatfields :
Ebenezer's son, Harry (1867 - 1921) married a lady called Kate (c1869 - 1922; poss. also born in Brighton) but I'm not sure when; the only record I can find of a marriage is between Harry Chatfield and Kate Charlotte White which took place in Steyning in 1890 and I was just wondering if anyone can find any other marriages or whether this is the most likely? ???
Thanks
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A bit late for this chat, but I have some information the Chatfields from Brighton. Ebenezer had a sister, Mercy, born around 1843. She married Thomas Ransley, also a confectioner. They emigrated to Australia in 1882, where he died two years later. She then married my great-grandfather, James Dumbrell, also from Brighton, and also a confectioner. She was 42, and he was 22!!!!! He was born in Brighton in 1863. The family 'legend' is that he followed the family to Adelaide to marry one of the daughters, and upon finding the daughter married to someone else, he then (perhaps saw a window of opportunity?) married the widow. They had two daughters, Jessie (who died aged 1 year), and Louisa Matilda, my nana. Jessie, Louisa, Matilda, were names of James's brother and two sisters whom he had left behind in England - never to see again.
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I have just looked at an inscription on a book of English poetry that belonged to my great-gradnmother, Mercy Dumbrell, nee Chatfield (also previously Ransley). Her 'affectionate brother', C.E.Chatfield, inscribed the book on his departure from Australia to England, in 1910.
Mercy's family were the Chatfield confectionary firm in Brighton, so it may interest anyone looking at the Brighton Chatfields to know that C.E. Chatfield visited his sister all the way in Oz at that time! When exactly he made the trip over to Australia I don't know, but I would imagine that he stayed for a considerable length of time, given the length of the sea journey.