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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Cedas on Wednesday 26 October 05 21:25 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a John Williams born in Anglesey in 1849 (Camaes I believe). Son of William Williams. It is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I have accumulated loads of BMD refs, and census summaries.
Just wondered, How many people out there are looking for their own John Williams and accumulating stuff on other JWs too.
Many heads better than one - could we work together somehow?
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Hi Cedas
I know what you mean about the Williams' in Anglesey !! :-\
I have William Williams born 1842 <> in Llangristiolus. Not sur eof his father's name as there are so many in the area that I cannot make a definite choice. Pity we aren't all psychic and could have our ancestors sat on our shoulders saying "Yes, that's me! right there!" Wouldn't that make our life easier
Carol
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I am also looking for William (J) Williams born in Wales... another needle in a haystack! My Great-Great-Grandfather was born in 1862 and emmigrated to the US in 1880.
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I know what you mean Cedas, as I have spent over 17 years looking for the birth records of my G Grandfather John Williams, with no luck. I have even visited Wales twice looking at the records at the records offices, but with so may Wiliams, it ws mid boggling to say the least ::) Here is what I have so far and as you can see, with no birth father, and no maiden name for his mother, it's a lost cause
1851 Census for Greenfeild, Holywell he was aged 26...birth year 1825
1855 He emigrated to Oz aged 28 aboard the Marco Polo, together with an Evan Williams aged 28 also...........................Johns birth year now 1827
1858 He married Elizabeth Liddell @ Northdown,Tas...aged 30...now b/yr 1828
1913 He died aged 89..................so now birth year 1824
So maybe you can see why I can't find him ::)
On the 1851 census, when he was working for James SIMON at Greenfield, Holywell, and living at Tai Coed 13 with his widowed mother Anne aged 65 & a pauper, her place of birth listed as Penlan, Anglesey, while Johns was given as Ceirchiog, Anglesey.
On the census the Simon Family of Greenfield Farm, was listed as no 197 while Tai Coed 13 was listed as no 192
I also found an Owen Williams aged 38 born Ceirchiog, living at 122 Ravenyard. Could this be his brother?
I am assuming his father was named Richard from the naming of his children (listed below)with wife Elizabeth.
1...Anne (his mothers name
2..Richard
3.. Hugh....(his father-in-law)
4..John...( himself)
5...Elizabeth..(his wife)
6..William
7..Alice Louisi
8.. Jane May
9..Email Agnes.. ( Agnes from Liddell side)
10..Andrew Owen.
Cheers, Tassie
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Hi Cedas
Well if you are doing a poll, I am looking for a William Charles Williams who was apparently born Worcester 1820-30s ( ??? ) and then migrated to South Wales. The only census he was on was the 1881 Welsh census, married to Norah (nee Hearn late Ford).
I have been trying to find 'WCW' as I affectionately call him, for about 5 years now and I can just imagine him laughing at me from beyond and often wonder if he just put ' Worcester' on the 1881 census for a laugh :-\
Fue
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3.5 years after my first post... I have found my John Williams' birth in Llanbadrig 1849, found his parents' marriage also Llanbadrig - they were William Williams and Mary Hughes. Can't find WW's birth yet - 1841 census says "of this parish" ie Llanbadrig, 1851 says he was born in Landrygarn, 1861 has what looks like Bordwyn, marriage lines say he was from Aberffraw.......
to make matters even more amusing - John Williams born 1849 was son of William Williams and Mary Hughes. JW married in 1871 - guess what his wife's name was? Mary Hughes daughter of John Hughes and Elizabeth Williams - give me another few years and I might work this lot out ;D
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Hi Ceda
When I first read your post, I thought 'great for you, giving hope to the rest of us' but then as I read on ...what a nightmare and so confusing, it really does get the grey matter going.
I must admit I did not see the date you first posted, I just saw 'Williams' and like you was looking for anything that could help my tree.
I forgot to tell you that I have Williamses on both sides of my tree so double the nightmare :-\
I wonder if anyone will be brave enough to set up a database just for the Williams name :o
or are there just to many Johns, Elizabeths, Marys and Williams to compound the problem?
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hi my john williams from around vally area late 1800s with children names where albert beatrica florance my naine was elizabeth dont know johns wife name she died when her children where very young the only info i have they once lived at a cottae called valley bach ::)cheers glenys owen
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Hi Glenys
Do you know what John's occupation was?
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hi no idea what john did for a living not much info on the williams side of family got on well with my owen side but stuck on williams side cheers glenys owen :)
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It is one of the hardest family names to research, my great grandparents were John and Mary Williams, also my husbands great grandparents were John and Mary Williams, luckily mine from St Asaph and Amlwch, his from Caernarvon.
Still looking for Great grandmothers family of Roberts who had a farm outside Amlwch.
Records office in Llangefni are very helpful as to BMD and parish registers.
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MY JOHN WILLIAMS WAS MARRIED AT AMWLCH STILL DONT KNOW WHO HE MARRIED LOL CHEERS GLEYS OWEN :)
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Mine married in St Cybi's Holyhead, don't know about in laws yet, and they are all buried in Holyhead.
My GGrandmother Roberts has a sister Jane buried on the little churchyard on the Menai Straits, would love to find her also.
I also have an uncle who was an Owen from Bethesda.
Good luck with your search glen o.
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My auntie Ginnie's mother was a Jane Williams born C1861 in Llanfechell near Cemaes. In 1861 she is at 1, Tallon (?) in a sub district of Llandyfrydoch which I think included Llanfechell at the time. Her father is JOHN age 29 an ag.lab. and mother is Elizabeth 30 both born Llanbadrig.
That John's father could be another John age 61 in the 1851c in Llanbadrig at Pentregof a farm of 10 acres with wife ellen 50 and other children Ellen,Mary and William.
Auntie Gin still had relatives in the Cemaes area in the 1930s to 1950s and maybe later. We used to stay with a Mr. and Mrs. Williams at 5 Athol St. Cemaes Bay (they had a son Emrys) when on holiday and once went with Auntie Gin to visit some others at a farm over by Penrhyn Rocks.
Jane Williams 1861 married a Jones in Liverpool who was a brother of my paternal grandmother.
I am a Williams but from a lot starting from Nercwys/Mold who had a John in 1836 - my g.grandfather. And so it goes on,and on, and on---- Yours Alan
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This Williams is my mothers grandfathers side who came from St Asaph North Wales originally and settled in Anglesey, her grandmothers side came from a farm near Amlwch but they were Roberts, I have yet to find them.
Where do you live Alan? I live in Kent but originate from Anglesey and have lots of family there.
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SORRY this was meant as a reply to another post I have on here, you can tell I am new to this, duhhhh!!!!
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I can understand your mix-up. The multiple Williams curse again. I was born and brought up in Liverpool but am now retired and in Conwy (the town) for no other reason than liking it here. I pop over to to Cemaes about every year, it's not changed a lot. Alan
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I had relatives who settled in Liverpool also some Williams that are still there haven't seen them since I was a child I am in touch with one he is a padre in Cardiff now.
I love Conwy always like to stop off there on our way to Anglesey, will be there in June as we are going to a wedding.
Cemaes is lovely too, have been there many times over the years when my children were young and now if we can fit in the time.