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Hi,
I'm trying to find any information I can relating to my paternal Great Grandfather, William Henry Gorman, and his parentage and whether he had any siblings etc.
As far as I can find he was born in or around Preston in 1866 (his father was possibly named Francis) and in 1895 married a woman named Martha Alice Moss.
Any help anyone could give would be greatly appreciated as it's the one area of my family where I seem to keep hitting brick walls! ???
Thanks.
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Hi Gravity
Welcome to RootsChat
According to Lancashire BMD, William Henry Gorman married Martha Alice Moss at St Andrews Church, Ashton On Ribble, Preston in 1895
Regards
Simon
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1901 Census RG 13/ 3954/ 81/ 9
45 Canal Street, Preston
William H Gorman Head Widower age 36 Occ. Chimney Sweep ?? Born Preston
Francis " Son age 5 " "
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Lancashire BMD again
Birth William Henry Gorman, born 1866, Preston, mothers maiden name Burkey
Free BMD
William H Gorman, Born June Qtr 1866, Preston 8e 471
Regards
Simon
PS. I cant find him in the 1871/81 & 91 censuses ???
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Hi Gravity,
Wishing you a warm welcome from me too .. ! :)
I think he might be here Simon .. could this be a possibility .. ? :-\
1871 census:
RG10/4218, Folio 88, Page 10
Lancashire, District Fulwood Workhouse
Francis Gorman, Inmate, mar, 35, Shoemaker, b. Dublin, Ireland
Sarah, mar, 33, Bootbinder, b. Lancs, Eastham
Wm Hy, unm, 3, Scholar, b. Lancs, Preston
John, 4mths, b. Preston
Kind regards,
Pels.
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And his parents marriage .. ! :)
Marriage Jun qtr, 1853
Sarah Burkey
Francis Gorman
Liverpool, Vol 8b, page 52
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I can't understand why young Wm Hy is listed as only being 3 years old on the 1871 return, but here is the birth of his younger brother and this one looks correct .. ?
Birth Dec qtr, 1870
John Gorman
Preston, Vol 8e, page 487
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They were awfully young to be married in 1853 ::) but have you seen the Gorman children with the mothers name Burkey on Lancashirebmd.
James 1855
Martha 1859
Sarah Ann 1863
William Henry 1866
Martha (Birkey) 1868
John 1870
Night All,
Mo
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Well done Mo,
They were very young :(
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Thanks for the welcomes! ;D
Wow I didn't expect so many replies quite so soon... thanks for all of them.
Unfortunately all my family who would know any of the Gorman information are all deceased so there's nobody to ask personally! I had heard though that William was a Chimney Sweep and the 5 year old Francis is my Grandfather so I'm sure that's them!!
I had no idea as to his mother's Maiden name, his siblings or that his father was from Dublin - I knew the family came from Ireland somewhere along the line but thought it was further back. I shall take all the information you've all supplied and see what more I can find using it!
Thanks again.
Bev
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I have looked at the marriage of Francis Gorman and Sarah Burkey and can only find one between a Burkey and a Gorman in the country at any time, their christian names are Francis and Sarah. Sarah was very young but I have seen younger. :(
Can anyone find the Gormans in the 1861 Census, blowed if I can :)
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Free BMD
Birth
Martha Alice Moss Jun Qtr 1874 Preston 8e 602
Death
Martha Alice Gorman Jun Qtr 1899 Age 25 Preston 8e 423
Lancashire BMD
Birth 1874 Preston
Martha Alice Moss, Mothers maiden name Lang
Marriage 1849 St. Johns Church, Preston
Martha Lang to William Moss
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As you already know Simon, because we've discussed it .. ! ::) ;D
We've found a possible Sarah on the 1841 and 1851 census, aged 4 and 14 respectively. Sarah would have been 16 and Francis possibly two years older when they married .. if that was the right marriage and if it's the only one .. ?
Here is Genuki's definition of the whereabouts of Eastham ..
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/eastham.html#par
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I have googled Eastham and have found it between Birkenhead and Ellesmere Port.
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Martha (Birkey) 1868
I had been wondering where young Martha was in 1871 .. this death looks very likely .. ? :(
Death, Sept. qtr 1868
Martha Gorman , age 0
Preston, Vol 8e, page 369
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On Lancashire BMD
Deaths
Martha Gorman 1864 age 5 Preston
Sarah Ann Gorman 1866 age 2 Preston
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How sad to lose three children, two of them called Martha?
I can't find them in 1861, have you found James, you would imagine he should be with his parents?
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I think I have found Martha Alice Moss in 1891 & 1881
1891 Census RG 12/ 3447/ 141/ 49
1 Armstrong Street, Ashton on Ribble, Preston
Martha Moss Head M Age 61 Occ Making beer & Nursing Child Born Lancashire Walton
Martha Alice Moss Dau Age 17 Occ Cotton Winder Born Lancashire Preston
1881 Census RG 11/ 4234/ 24/ 43
20 Villiers Street, Preston
William Moss Head Mar Age 52 Occ Iron Turner Born Lamby Green, Nr Wigan
Martha Moss Wife Mar Age 49 Born Walton Le Dale
Martha A Moss Dau Age 6 Born Preston
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How sad to lose three children, two of them called Martha?
I can't find them in 1861, have you found James, you would imagine he should be with his parents?
I think I have found a death for James
Mar Qtr 1871 Preston 8e 398
James Gorman Age 15
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If this is a death for Sarah .. and the age appears to be correct .. ?
Death, Jun qtr. 1885
Sarah Gorman, aged 49
Preston, Vol 8e, page 421
I can't find her in 1881 either .. ?
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Bev
Do you think William Henry Gorman remarried ??? ???
I have found a marriage on Lancashire BMD
Preston Central Methodist Church, Lune St, Preston 1907
William Henry Gorman to Martha Rayner
A 1911 Census lookup would help you
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All this information to go through! :o
Duck - I suppose it is possible that he remarried as he was widowed young enough. Something I'll have to dig into I guess when I've got all the current info digested and inserted into the family tree. I shall check the 1911 census and see what I find.
Unfortunately, as I stated earlier, all the family are no longer with us so there isn't a reliable source of information on any of these people :(
Thanks.
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One more .. ! :)
Death, Jun qtr. 1899
Martha Alice Gorman, age 25
Preston, Vol 8e, page 423
Just had a quick peep at the 1911 index which is free .. I would say Simon is on a fairly good bet with this.
It looks as though they may also have had a daughter called Martha, age 3 born in 1907 .. this should help confirm your search before you commit yourself.
Birth, Dec qtr. 1907
Martha Gorman
Preston, Vol 8e, page 548
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I'd say the Martha Alice date of death in 1899 is correct as I do know that she died very young, in her mid twenties!
As for yet another Martha in the family, I'll have to see if I can find out if William DID re-marry!
Thanks guys.
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As for yet another Martha in the family, I'll have to see if I can find out if William DID re-marry!
If you check the 1911 .. I think you'll find he did .. ! ;)
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Hi Bev
I think you will also find your Grandfather, Francis Gorman had 1/2 siblings
Martha Gorman b 1907 (as Pels pointed out)
William Henry Gorman b Dec Qtr 1911 Preston 8e 958
James Gorman b Jun Qtr 1915 Preston 8e 986
John Gorman as above (twins)
Mothers maiden name is Rayner for all
Simon
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My Grandmother was Catherine Ellen Gorman, Married to my Grandfather Thomas Baron Porter. My Dad was the youngest of the family. She was born in Aldershot.