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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Kells on Wednesday 18 February 09 23:46 GMT (UK)
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Searching for the family of James born c1786 and his wife Ann (nee Dollimount born c1783) and children Benjamin 1806-1827; John born after 1807 d 1810; Charlotte 1809-1832; Sarah 1811-1887; Mary 1814-1883; Elizabeth 1818-1885; Seth 1819-1888; and Solomon c1822-1826.
James died in 1846 in Closworth and Ann in 1853 in Closworth. She gives her birthplace as Hardington in the 1851 census. I have no info on James' origins and cannot find any registers for Closworth.
I would like to trace the origins of James and Ann. Can anyone help?
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Hi Kells,
The marriage was in Closworth 8 Oct 1805 witnesses Ann Highmore and John Mandfield.
Burials listed at Closworth
James BARTLETT 15 Apr 1846 aged 60
Ann BARTLETT 10 Apr 1853 aged 70
There is a Headstone to the family in Closworth
James BARTLETT Husband of Ann (Nanny). Father of Benjamin, Charlotte, Sarah, Mary, Bethia, Seth and Maria. Charlotte, Sarah, Mary and Bethia were buried elsewhere
Ann BARTLETT (Nanny) Wife of James. Mother of Benjamin, Charlotte, Sarah, Mary, Bethia, Seth and Maria. Charlotte, Sarah, Mary and Bethia were buried elsewhere
Benjamin 7 Dec 1828 aged 21 son of James and Ann (Nanny) Burial says 7 Dec 1827 so mistranscription somewhere
Maria 19 Mar 1878 aged 61 Daughter of James and Ann (Nanny)
Seth 6 Oct 1888 aged 60 Son of James and Ann (Nanny)
Bethia 1885 aged 67 Daughter of James and Ann (Nanny)
Charlotte 1832 aged 23 Daughter of James and Ann (Nanny)
Mary 1883 aged 70 Daughter of James and Ann (Nanny)
Sarah 1887 aged 76 Daughter of James and Ann (Nanny)
I do not see any burial record for Solomon
There is a John 28 May 1810 but no age is given (Also a John 17 Aug 1817 aged 18 months)
There are certainly plenty of Bartletts buried in Closworth and plenty of Dollimounts and variants buried in Hardington, but alas no luck with baptisms
Could be of Interest that there was a Rev Nathaniel BARTLETT at Closworth - he was christened 12.7.1761 in East Coker. (Son of Reverend Nathaniel Bartlett and Susanna) )He married Henrietta Harbin 13.10.1808 in Closworth. They were buried in Closworth, don't know if there was a connection. Barlett seems to be very common in the area.
Older Bartletts buried at Closworth
Joseph aged 71 buried 21 Nov 1833. Most of the earlier ones do not list ages. There is a Nathaniel in 1790 possibly the Rev's father but it doesn't give a age. A Benjamin in 1782 (curious since James had a son Benjamin) A John in 1815 aged 86 and a Miriam in 1821 aged 72, also Edward 1820 aged 56.
Hope someone can help with baptisms
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks so much Kris!
I only just joined this today and what an incredible response! That is so much info, where do you get it all! That helps me greatly as the Closworth records are not online. Benjamin born 1806 is my ancestor, he died aged 21 I have a date of 1827 here) shortly after his marriage to Judith Childs in 1825 in Melbury Osmond Dorset. They had one son George born 1827 (cannot find a record for that either!). Although Ben seems to young, we worked back to Benjamin as a father as we knew Judith was the mother. Records can be very tricky!
I'd love to see the gravestone.
Hopefully someone out there has some Closworth baptisms/marriages!
Thanks again,
Kelly :)
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Hi Kells
The family you are asking about are in my family tree.
Although I have no ancestors of either James or Ann.
More than happy to swap research.
Will pm you my details
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for your message and I would love to get in touch with you. I got your personal message and will email you soon.
Kelly :)
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I am researching the Bartletts of Closworth - James Paul Bartlett is my husband's Great Grandfather and we too would like to know if his father is Solomon Bartlett and more about the family.
I see that krisesjoint is also researching the same family so I would be glad to get in touch with either (or both) of you to see where we all connect.
Anne
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Hi Anne,
I'd be happy to share info with you, will try sending a personal message with contact details.
Kelly.
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Sorry having a problem, my message didn't send, can you try one to me Anne?
Thanks,
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly and Anne,
Lovely you have made a connection. A Big Welcome to RootsChat Anne. ;D ;D
I am not connected to the family Anne. I just helped by looking up some information for Kelly.
The PM problem is because Anne is a new member the PM facility has not opened to her yet. Anne if you just reply here a couple of times, Kelly will then be able to pass on her email address to you privately. We do not allow email addresses to be posted publicly.
All the best...........Kris :)
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thanks for your helpful advice, Kells
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that should have read, "thank you for your helpful advice Krisesjoint" - I hope eventually to get used to the way this all works....
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Thought I'd join in as another bartlett from closworth researcher ( though currently stuck but newly excited by this thread...)
My great*2 grandfather was Joseph Paul Bartlett, born 1841 (though not yet tracked down on a birth cert) He appears with the rest of the clan in the census of 1841 & 1851 and appears to be a grandchild of James and Ann. I had been told that his father was Soloman, unlikely if the original post is correct. Joseph's marriage cert does not record a father so who were his parents? and is he an illegitimate child of Elizabeth, Mary or Sarah?
To confude things further I did find a possibility for Soloman Bartlett, a Royal Marine based in Devonport but of the correct age and origin. He has a family, making Jospeh a child left behind when his possible father joined up?
Any hints greatfully recieved
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Hello,
The only info I have on the Closworth Bartlett's has been given to me by someone else as I don't have access to the parish records, however what I do have shows Solomon Bartlett with a son Joseph born 1841. I re-read my first post and realise it looks like I'd given Solomon an early death date when in fact what I meant was a birth year range! My apologies!
I have further info for this Joseph, as married to Matilda Gillingham with 9 children born between 1860 and 1883. Does this sound like the one you are researching?
It could definitely be a link for Joseph to Solomon, more research would prove it. I no longer have access to a paid Ancestry membership so cannot access census records to check details, but then finding that link with Joseph (who is his mother??) to Solomon is the tricky bit!
If you want to send a personal message I'd be glad to correspond via email with you and share info.
Kelly :)
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only took 12 months - I have started transcribing the Closworth parish records re the Bartletts - Joseph Paul b 1840 is the illegitimate son of Elizabeth, no father given, and the other young ones in the 1851 census are all cousins ( ie James and Ann's grandchildren) but are all illegitimate. Hopefully I'll finally sort it out after a second visist next week but it looks as if Joseph Bartlett (1762-1833) was James' father, and he was married to Merriam Young in about 1782. The children of this family seem to be a lot of james and Sarah coupled with a high infant mortality rate as well as a possible Richard. More next week...
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Thanks You. Look forward to further updates.
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Thanks so much teabag for sharing what you are finding in the parish records, I have always wanted to get to those but am several thousand miles away! I too look forward to anything else you might find there. Can I ask if you manage to find my Benjamin Bartlett c1806 (son of James and Ann) as I'd love to know his baptism date. Also interested in where Elizabeth, mother of Joseph, fits in there too. Have we got the right birth year for James (1786?).
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Benjamin Bartlett was baptised 8 June 1806. he was married twice ( both times in Dorset and therefore availible via findmypast) - first time to sarah Gillard on 24/2/1822 in Ryme Intrinseca 9 which is the adjacent village to Closworth), and then to Judith Childs on 22/9/1825 in Melbury Osmond. ben died and was bureid 7/12/ 1827 and Judith remarried on 20/10/1829 to James Loader in liilington, Dorset
James Bartlett was baptised on 23/12/1787 in Closworth and was married on 8 10/1805. He wss buried 15/4/1846 again in Closworth
pdf from rootsmagic availible if you message me with an e-mail (though it may take a day or to to find time to sort it all out)
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Thanks very much :)
I wonder if a first marriage for Ben is right, he would have been 16 at the time! He was the father of my George Bartlett.
I've been looking into James' wife Ann Dollimount - I notice there are plenty of Delamont's in Hardington, wonder if I'm on the right trail but there was an Ann bapt 1784 to Levi Delamont (alias Gillam) and Grace nee Sibley (who was from Melbury Osmond).
Anyway thanks so much for your help, I'll send a PM with my email.
Cheers,
Kelly.
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Ann is next on the list - was intending to saart looking next week ( lots of annual leave to use up by the end of the month!)
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Sorry just spotted the typo - it is the correct Ben as he is recorded in the dorset records as born closworth - and I can find no other Ben Bartlett born in closworth ( this is the bit I've checked in detail as it was the most legible)
Looking at things here it would appear from the records that Jame's father is Joseph Bartlett - married to Merriam (who from stuff I got from the S&DFHS) was Merriam Young. Their dates are Joseph ( 1762 - 1833) & Merriam (1749 - 1821), with a marriage on 29/4/1782 in Closworth.
Hopefully a second trip will sort out some of this
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Thanks I just got all your wonderful info!
My thinking about Benjamin is that if he did marry Sarah Gillard he would have been only 16, and this marriage says they are both of that parish (Ryme Intrinseca) so no indication he was from Closworth (and also spelt Barrett). I've put that one in the maybe but not definitely basket!
Great to know the earlier genealogy and ancestors of James. You are very fortunate to get the records from their original source. Interesting about all the illegitimate Bartlett children as well, nice to know where people from the census actually fit!
Thanks again,
Kelly.
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updates from the archives - selected highlights, I also have burials fot closworth and some yet unlinked in marriges as well as earlier stuff
Closworth Parish Records Fiche 2/1/2
Baptisms 1716-1812
Marriage 1758-1808
Burials 1784-1812
Joseph Bartlett and Merriam Young, both of this parish, banns were published in this church April14th, 21st and 28th and were married in the church April 29th 1782 by me N Bartlett, Rector the marriage being solemnised between Joseph Bartlett [his mark] and Merriam Young [her mark]
James Bartlett and Ann Dolimount, both of this parish were married in the church by banns on this 8th day of October 1805 by me N Bartlett, Rector the marriage being solemnised between James Bartlett [his mark] and Ann Dolimount [her mark]
Closworth Parish Records Fiche 2/1/5
Marriage 1837-1926
No 6. The marriage was solemnised in the parish church of Closworth in the county of Somerset on 22 Sept 1840 between
William Allen of full age bachelor labourer Closworth
father-George Allen shoemaker
Mary Bartlett of full age spinster Closworth
father-James Bartlett labourer
No 18. The marriage was solemnised in the parish church of Closworth in the county of Somerset on 23 April 1850 between
Seth Bartlett of full age bachelor labourer Closworth
father- James Bartlett labourer
Maria Ryall Gill of full age spinster Closworth
father- Thomas Gill deceased
No 26. The marriage was solemnised in the parish church of Closworth in the county of Somerset on 26 June 1853 between
John [Boathmarkham] of full age bachelor labourer Closworth
father- John [Boathmarkham] deceased
Susan Bartlett of full age spinster Closworth
father- James Bartlett deceased
and from Hardington Mandeville Fiche 2/1/2 Baptism 1783-1805
Ann, dau of Levi & Grace Dollimont, born 7 Apr 1783, christened 11 Apr 1783
[Lewis] son of Levi & grace Delamont, born 23 Sept 1785, christened 25 Sept 1785
Jane dau of Levi & Grace Delamont, born 25 May 1788, christened 22 June 1788
Jonathon, son of Levi& Grace Delamont, born 5 Nov 1790, christened 22 Nov 1790
finally good point re benjamin's possible first marriage
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Thanks so much for sending all this, wonderful to be making so much progress with this family, your effort is greatly appreciated!
Did you get to look up the Melbury Osmond record of Levi Delamont's marriage to Grace Sibley? You probably already know the Dorset OPC site has parish records for MO online? Grace's parents were John and Elizabeth nee Smith. Puzzling that Levi was named as Levi Gillam (?).
What do you think about Joseph Bartlett (father of James)? Perhaps baptised in another parish? I note an earlier Joseph base born to Maisy but it seems too early? Anyway, lots of things to ponder.
Thanks again,
Kelly.
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Teabag - is it possible for you to lookup records for me on the Closworth data you have? Or let me know how you managed to get the records you have? I am looking for any Closworth information on the name Stickland. Also an FYI. A William Bartlett was a witness to the marriage of Mary Stickland from Closworth to George Hopkins in Cheddington 1839.
Look forward to hearing from you,
Clare