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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Stringbean on Wednesday 18 February 09 14:27 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I am looking for any information on Sleight and Hollingsworth family.
George Sleight who was a road worker for the council born around 1877 and married Lilly Hollingsworth in 1915 at Basford, Nottingham.
Lily as born Caistor area Lincolnshire around 1895 and died of TB in 1943. We think they had about 15 children.
Dorothy the youngest, born 1934 from Grimsby (My Mum).
Doreen 1933 Caistor,
Ernest 1930 Caistor,
Joyce 1928 Caistor
Joseph William 1926 Caistor who married Ivy,
Annie 1925 Caistor
Harry 1923 Caistor who married a Kathleen May Madden.
George 1920 Sleaford,
May 1919 Sleaford,
These names we are not sure of being siblings of Dorothy sleight.
Mary, Katherine, Barbara, Tom, Timothy, John.
Lily’s father is Thomas Hollingsworth
Georges father is Joseph Sleight, mother Mary Ann Gooding
Joseph father William Sleight. (Both George & William’s name is spelt Slight in the census.
We are looking for most of the names above.
Can anyone help
Stringbean. :)
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Hi Stringbean,
Do you by any chance have access to the death indexes on ancestry, of one of the other sites?
Paulene
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Hi Stringbean,
It might be possible to try to locate the areas that your mum's brothers and sisters went to live - so that you have a better idea of where to concentrate your searches.
Is your mum hoping to find any remaining family?
Paulene :)
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Searching for children born Sleight with mother Hollingsworth gives:
Florence M Horncastle 1916
Jack Horncastle 1917
May Sleaford 1919
George Sleaford 1920
Harry Caistor 1923
Dorothy Caister 1924
Annie Caistor 1925
Joseph W Caistor 1926
Joyce Caistor 1928
Ernest Caistor 1930
Doreen Caistor 1933
Dorothy Grimsby 1934
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That look helpful, Dave :)
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Hi Dave & Willow 154
Thank you for your help, my input on your findings.
Florence M Horncastle 1916 (Don’t know if there on my tree as yet) Mum has named a Mary
Jack Horncastle 1917 (Don’t know if there on my tree as yet) Mum has named a John
May Sleaford 1919 (Yes they are on our tree but we have not found them yet)
George Sleaford 1920 (Yes they are on our tree but we have not found them yet)
Harry Caistor 1923 (found his son last month, we are now in contact)
Dorothy Caistor 1924 (possible, there is an infant death registered 1 year later)
Annie Caistor 1925 (Yes they are on our tree but we have not found them yet)
Joseph W Caistor 1926 (My uncle, now deceased, we are in contact with the rest of the family.)
Joyce Caistor 1928 (Yes they are on our tree but we have not found them yet)
Ernest Caistor 1930 (Yes they are on our tree but we have not found them yet)
Doreen Caistor 1933 (Aunty Doreen, deceased, we are in contact with the rest of the family)
Dorothy Grimsby 1934 my mum (I could not find this on BDM site )
I know parents have lived in Basford Nottingham, Beeston, Caistor, Sleaford, & Gainsborough.
I am just learning how to search at the moment and because I'm collecting information in I'm waiting to log into the paying sites, until I have more info.
I do not have access to the death indexes on ancestry.
It would be nice if we could find our missing relatives that we lost contact with as mum was brought up in children’s home from the age of 7. The few siblings we have known have passed away now; as you can se from the list above we have only known 3 and found 1 (1st break through).
We think George Sleight their father was married before, in 1915 George was 38yrs old and his wife lily Hollingsworth was 20yrs old.
Stringbean. :)
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Hi Stringbean,
Does it give any information on the marriage certificate about George Sleight's father, please?
Paulene :)
P.S. Ask if you need any specific BMD look-ups :)
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Hi Pauline
On the marriage certificate it says as follows 24/12/1915 Basford, Nottingham.
George Sleight aged 38 Bachelor, tractor engine driver and lives at Beeston.
His father Joseph Sleight, farm labourer. so we say George was born around 1877.
lily Hollingsworth aged 20 spinster, lived at Beeston.
Her father Thomas Hollingsworth labourer. so we say Lily was born around 1895.
We know Joseph Sleight was married to Mary Ann Gooding, 25/7/1872 Willoughby Lincoln. Joseph Sleight Father we think is William Sleight.
We also think that Mary Ann Gooding was christened 22/12/1851, Willoughby with Sloothby, Lincoln
This is all the information we have at the moment.
Stringbean. :)
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Hi Stringbean,
Just a little bit for you:
1901 Census:
Thomas Hollingsworth b 1865 Beeston, Notts
Mary Hollingsworth b 1867 Lincoln, Lincs
Lewin b 1887 Beeston, Notts
John b 1885 Beeston, Notts
Lily b 1895 Beeston, Notts
Father's occupation: Creosote Works (labourer)
Address; 47, Windsor Street, Beeston.
RG13 Piece: 3153 Folio: 147 Page 36
Catch up with you later - sweet dreams.
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene
Wow, thank you, :o this was a nice suprise to come to this morning.
Why is it there names on a piece of paper or computer, but then when you find those names belonging to your family tree it sends tingling feelings right down your spine and you feel that connection, as if you have actually touch them and feel embraced. :-* Thank you.
Just think if mum Dorothy, and Doreen Sleight didn't have to go into childrens home, her are two uncles they could have known and shared time with.
Another suprise for my mum.
Thank you
Stringbean 8)
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SOS EVERYONE!
I'm really struggling to find the Hollingsworth family before OR after the ones I found in 1891 - can anyone with a fresh pair of eyes help, please.
Also, struggling to find the parents' marraige, and Lewin's birth!
So hoping to help Stringbean!
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Hi Stringbean,
Do you, by any chance, know which year Lily died? Was it in Sheffield?
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene
I have lily's will, which Lily made 17/4/1943 and died 3/5/1943 and lived at 54 Imperial Rd Beaston, Nottingham.
With the new contact I have with one of Dorothys family, they live live in Chesterfield. His father dealt with Lilys will & funeral arrangements.
who lucky was that.
Thanks, take care.
Stringbean. :)
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Hi Pauline
I found this on the 1901 census, but don't have accsess to look further, at the moment.
Hoping at Easter to buy credits and have more time to do my searching, I'm gathering all information for now. :D
Lewin Hollingsworth 14 Notts Beeston Nottinghamshire Beeston Juvenile
Thank you for your help
Stringbean :)
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Hi Stringbean and Dave,
Well, after hours and hours of searching and thinking I think I might have sorted it!
Dave (or any other kind soul following the thread), as Stringbean hasn't got access to the census yet, would you be good enough to check this out and see if you agree, please.
I couldn't find them anywhere, on the 1891 census - as a family, that is.
Or, a marriage for Thomas Hollingworth/Hollingsworth to a Mary before the birth of John and Lewin.
Tried looking for info on Thomas, but didn't find anything to help.
Looked through census before 1901, and for clues using names on 1911 census.
So, I thought I'd have a look for the baptisms of John, Lewin and Lily on the Notts FHS baptism cd - nothing again!
Tried everyone option I could think of, but none of the surnames fitted!
Left it for the night and went to bed!
Woke this morning, and not wanting to be defeated and disappoint Stringbean and her/his mum, I thought about what I could look at next for clues. Knowing that the family were living with John Glenn, from Lincolnshire, on the 1901 census I thought I would explore him - see who he married, etc.
His birthplace varies - Bourne, Thurlby (Lincolnshire). He married Sarah Avery in 1866 Grantham District.
Still, nothing coming up - no marriages for a Glenn or Avery to a Hollingsworth/Hollingworth.
Finally, I thought I'd go back to the baptisms and Freebdm to look at the births of John and Lewin again. I hadn't been able to find Lewin's birth registration last night - there was one that could have been John's. So, I thought I would have a look for any John and Lewin's born at that time, without a surname. Two baptisms came up, in Beeston, but the parents' names were Benjamin and Mary Ann - surname MOORE. ???
No Lily though, in 1895.
Not other likely ones anywhere!
Investigating a bit further I decided to find out who Benjamin Moore had married - looking a few years before the birth of John in 1885. And, I found a marriage in Sep qtr of 1884:
Benjamin Moore to Mary Ann Glen Basford 7b 136
(Found the following on www.familysearch.org:
Mary Ann Glenn baptised 28 Jun 1868 Closterworth, Lincolnshire
Father: John Glenn Mother: Sarah Batch: C013379).
Went back to the birth registrations and found:
John Moore Jun qtr 1885
Lewin Moore Mar qtr 1887
So, I thought 'I wonder.....' and found this:
Marriages Mar qtr 1898:
Thomas Hollingworth to Mary Moore Basford 7b 157
Thought, this is looking good, but where is Lily's birth registration, and eventually found:
Births Mar qtr 1896
Lily Hollingworth Moore
Basford 7b 211.
So, if I am right Mary Ann was a relative of John Glenn's (not worked that out yet) and that's the reason they were living with him in 1891. John and his family were already in Beeston, on Windsor Terrace, in 1881, but it looks as if Sarah his wife died sometime between 1881 and 1891 (though I haven't found her death yet) - he is described as a widower on the 1891 census. Mary Ann's husband Benjamin Moore dies in 1892:
Deaths Mar qtr 1892:
Moore Benjamin 32 Nottingham 7b 179
Now whether Mary Ann moves in with John, her relative, at this stage (both being on their own), or later we do not know. But, she meets Thomas and they have Lily in 1895/6 and then marry at the beginning of 1898.
In 1901 Thomas and Mary Ann are still living(as a separate household) with John Glenn in Windsor Street, Beeston.
I notice, too that a couple called Elizabeth and Lewin Avery, from Lincolnshire, live nearby - they were born 189 and 1820, and may be John's wife's parents.
Anyway, this is what I think happend, but please feel free to say otherwise if you think I've got it wrong, or find them elsewhere.
Stringbean, I'll see if I can find them in 1911 for you, too.
Back soon.
Love Paulene x
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Hi Paulene & Dave
Wow what can I say, I'm flabbergasted at the work you have both put into this search, and what you have found out. :o
I would not have known where to go for this depth of researching.
I thank you both for all your hard work and all the hours you have put in, lets hope that this information proves to be right, it might take me a while to get my head around so much information.
Thanks
Mrs Stringbean ;)
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Hi Mrs Stringbean ;D
Found them!
Well, Lily and her mum + one step-brother.
Thought I'd treat you - this is the household on the 1911 census:
Glenn, John head (widower) 1843 Tholby Bourne
Hollinsworth (probably mis-transcribed), Mary Ann DAUGHTER (married) 1871 Coalsworth
Glenn Florence daughter (single) 1885 Beeston
Moore John visitors (single) 1887 Beeston
Moore Lily visitors (single) 1896 Beeston
Occupations:
Driver Hammer man
Charing and cleaning
Charing and cleaning
Chopping wood
Domestic service
(*spellings as shown!)
No address, though, sadly.
Don't know where Thomas is hiding, Stringbean. It doesn't say deceased on the marriage certificate, does it? Also, what address is given for Lily on the certificate?
Anyway, enjoy!
Let me know what you think.
Take care.
Paulene :)
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Whoops! - so carried away, I forgot to say that they were living in Beeston :-[ ;D
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Hi again,
Well I think I've got Thomas in 1881 and 1891, living at The Green, Chilwell - and I think that is where he might be in 1911. Might be with an elderly relative - not sure without census info.
However, Stringbean, I am well aware that this is your family and I don't want to take away the thrill of finding out more yourself.
Are you still hoping to track forward to see if any family are still around? I know some info is confidential, but that can be passed on by email or pm.
There's a photo of The Green, at Chilwell, on this site - lots of old photos for you to explore, Stringbean. I grew up in Beeston, Chilwell and Attenborough, so know the area well :)
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/
Bye for now,
Paulene :)
Few surprises for your mum now! :D
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Hi Paulene
Beeston, Beeston, Beeston Horray, you are good do you know that, I hope you are proud of your self.
My reply to you was going to be on lilys will she lived at 54 Imperial Rd Beeston.
On Dorothy's borthers marriage certificate says
married Basford 1943 Harry Sleight lived 54 Imperial Rd Beeston
& kathleen may madden lived 87 or 37 City Rd beeston.
Well you have added even more names to our family tree.
take care
Stringbean :-*
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Pleasure, Sringbean - nice to make someone so happy. Reward in itself!
It was Lily's marriage certificate to George I was wondering about - wondered where she was registered as living when she got married.
I bet the house is still there on Imperial Road, Stringbean - you must go and see!
I'm always here if you want me - just send me a pm if you need my help. I know it's tricky when you're starting off.
Paulene :)
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Hi Again
Info on marraige certificate
George Sleight lived at 31 Victoria Terrace, Windsor Street Beeston.
lily Hollingsworth lived at 42 Oxford Terrace, Windsor Street Beeston.
I wish i had a car, I would also go and see if I could find any graves.
Look what found on BDM
Deaths Mar 1902
Moore Lewin aged14 Basford 7b 115
By for now.
Stringbean
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Hi Stringbean,
Thanks for that :) They lived very close to one another, then.
If (and you still have to look into that, and check it thoroughly) Thomas's parents were Herbert and Ann - then it looks as if Herbert's dad was John (a framework knitter), and his mother was Elizabeth. Herbert was christened at Attenborough Church - 08 Oct 1837 (this isn't on www.familysearch.org - but it looks as if the previous one for his father is).
I had a look to see if either Thomas, or his father were buried at any of the churches near to Beeston. Couldn't see anything for them, but it looks as if John and Elizabeth might be buried at Attenborough. Lovely final resting place - near Attenborough Nature Reserve!
Can't see a burial for Lewin, though. It looks as if the family were in Beeston in 1902, but where he is is a mystery! Not at Beeston Parish Church - possible it could be the Beeston Cemetery on Wollaton Road, Beeston. I'll check out when that opened for you, Stringbean.
I know a lovely site where there are photos; so if you find they are there then I'll pass it on to you, Stringbean.
Here is one for you, of St. Mary's Church, Attenborough.
www.rootschat.com/links/05o5
Well, it's time I went to bed - catch up with you soon.
Take care,
Paulene :)
P.S. I don't drive either - not easy is it; but I'm sure you'll find a way, Stringbean!
ADDED: Forgot to say that Attenborough has a station, and it's only about 5 - 8 mins by train to Nottingham - the church is very near to it.
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Hi again,
As promised, I've found out about the last burials at Beeston St. John's - it seems that no new burials took place after 1888; only those with existing family graves/tombs. So, my guess is that your family may be at the Beeston Cemetery:
Her are the contact details for you, Stringbean - they are very helpful. Hopefully, if you give them any dates they can give you a grave number, and tell where abouts in the cemetery the grave is.
www.rootschat.com/links/05oo
Also, found this great site about Beeston and it's history - hope you enjoy it, Stringbean. They're still working on it, but it promises to be a brilliant site:
www.rootschat.com/links/05op
Anyway, hope you find this helpful - good luck with your search.
Catch up soon,
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene
Pleased to here about the trains are near by Attenborough church, would like to go one day.
I see you have been busy again, thank you. I am off work Thursday so I'm going to get your information logged down and see if I can find any added information.
You have given me a lot to get my head round and I see you have given me some new names to the tree. Thomas's parents, Herbert and Ann.
also Hebert's dad, John (a framework knitter). There was a programme on tv the other night about factory work and weaving machines. (very good)
Regarding pictures, if you are looking for old pictures of towns, Friths is a good site.
By for now.
Stringbean. :)
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Hi Paulene
Finally got round to adding your names to my tree, I don't know if you are aware that you have added 11 names to my family tree, thank you. :-*
I found the site on Beeston very interesting, some really good photo's and valuable information, I was impressed with the church yard details.
Anyone looking at this thread, If you are interested in Beeston History I can highly recommend you take a look.
www.rootschat.com/links/05op
Paulene do you recall where you found the following information from, so I can put on the record of my tree.
Thoma's parents were Herbert and Ann - then it looks as if Hebert's dad was John (a framework knitter), and his mother was Elizabeth. Herbert was christened at Attenborough Church - 08 Oct 1837 (this isn't on www.familysearch.org - but it looks as if the previous one for his father is).
You have spent a lot of time with my tree Paulene but how is yours going. Your picture you have on your site, is this your mum ( she looks very happy). :D
Thanks
Stringbean :)
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Hi Stringbean,
Glad it's all fitting together, and that you found the sites useful. I always find it nice to picture the place where they came from, etc - all adds flesh to the bones, and makes them seem more real :)
With regard to Herbert - the information is from the parish register. I have a list of Attenborough baptisms.
I can't, for the life of me, though, find his death registration - can you?
My own research is at a complete standstill - I took a day or so off again to try to break down my Adams brickwall, but just can't manage it, however hard I try! :(
So, helping others is quite therapeutic, hones up your skills, and stops you going round the bend ;D
Yes, it is a lovely pic of my mum - she does look happy there, but sadly spent some troubled years, too. You see, most families, like yours, have their heartaches, as well as their joys. It's the end result that matters, Stringbean ;) :)
Take care,
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene
Hope you are keeping OK. :)
Thought it was time to give you an update on my family tree.
You gave me this site to look at earlier of beeston.
www.rootschat.com/links/05op
Good news, my family tree connects to the Hollingworth tree and his first name on this tree is Thomas who is my great grandfather.
This tree has 343 individual names and 86 unique surnames, with this many names I'm still logging them into my tree.
Anyone following this thread, these are the main names in this family tree.
14 Hollingworth
150 Hudstons
20 Smedleys
26 Dennis
Although I have been busy with the above information I haven't found a Marriage for Noah Glenn yet.
I would like to thank you again for your help with my family tree.
Take care. :)
stringbean.
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Mrs Stringbean - what a lovely surprise :)
Just got my emails and I'm so pleased that the work we did together bore fruit - you've certainly lots to tell you mum!
I hope she is ok.
I thought it seemed to lead by to Attenborough - you must go and have a look one day. The church is close to the nature reserve, which will be lovely in the summer months.
I've got quite a bit to do at home at the moment, and my sister has just been to stay; so I haven't been on rootschat much recently, but if you do need me I will always pick up your messages and try to help, Stringbean.
I also hope that you've manged to get in contact with some living relatives - I do know that is important to your mum.
If I can find anything on Noel I will let you know.
If you can't visit Attenborough church someone on rootschat might be able to look for the graves for you, or you could look at this site I was told about the other day:
http://www.raogk.org/
They helped my friend out, and sent him some photographs of family graves.
However, if you can visit Attenborough and Chilwell yourself I'm sure it will be worthwhile - quite special being in the place your ancestors were born, married, etc.
As I said it is LOVELY to hear from you - please keep in touch.
Bless you xxx
Paulene :)
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This is entirely non-definitive, but I believe there used to be a George Sleight in Woodhall Spa in the 1950s/60s. My memory may be deceiving me, but I have a feeling that either (or both) a fruit and vegetable business and taxi business were involved - best I can do, and not neary as detailed as some others, but you may want to check the Horncastle & Woodhall Spa News archives for those years.
Lydiaann
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Hello Lydiaann
Thank you for your information.
This may help as we don't have alot of information on George Sleight and every input can lead to more information. Being a Sleight he could still be family some where along the line.
Thank you
Stringbean
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Hi I dont know if I've come to the right thread but am looking for an Elizabeth Hollingworth b. 1828 Colsterworth, Leics married to a thomas Musson on 10 April 1850. Her father was William Hollingworth??
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Hi there Genuisscuffy
Thank you for your responce to my thread.
Do you have any details of the father William Hollingworth, his wife name or his DOB.
Our Hollingsworth & Hollingworth family come from Bourne, Beeston, Chilwell, Colsterworth, Grantham, and Attenborough, all roughly in the same area I believe.
Does you have any of these names connected around your Hollingworth/Hollingsworth. Glenn, Moore, Avery, Hallam, Hudston, Smedley, Winfield, Sleight or Slight.
Hope this information helps. I do have an Elizabeth but that is all just the name at the moment.
Thank you.
Stringbean :)
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Hi, yes found out today thanks to Laurina that Elizabeths Father was William Hollingworth and mother Ann. She was born in Colsterworth and married a Thomas Musson. On the 1851 census he was 54 born Grantham and Ann 55 b. Woolsthorpe. They had 4 children - Ann 15, William 5, Elizabeth 10 and Henry 4 All born county?