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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: BlueHound on Tuesday 17 February 09 19:19 GMT (UK)
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wow, I didnt know this bit was here. ;D
I have done a few searches trying to find this relative. Only just been given family information, and found a letter from Canada from this guy.
All we know from that is he had a 'sweet' wife he had courted for 3 years who was 16 at the time of the letter, so it seems far younger than he.
I found a Peter Lloyd on a shipping list for 1923 (LIverpool to Montreal) - he was born in 1892, so that would of course have made him 31. I have checked the links I found on here for marraige and deaths and cant find any further information. It is not known he returned to the UK, so assuming he did not.
Be most grateful if anyone could find out anymore, or tell me were I can look.
Many Thanks
Lynda
title now edited due to further information further down thread ;D
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Sorry, cant edit post.
Just found out from someone checking out said letter, the date of the letter was 1915 :-[ so it seems it cant have been the same Peter Lloyd on the shipping list I found :'(
So, he must have left our Liverpool before 1915 - sorry.
Lynda
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What were Peter's parents names and where in England was he born? That might help find him or perhaps a marriage.
I assume his wife's name wasn't given in the letter.
Jacquie
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Plenty of people visited home again after emigrating. There was a lot of ship passage between Canada and the UK, so it could still be him.
Here's a Montreal city directory you can try...it's the Série Principale you want, after that it's in English. I tried a few pages starting in 1916-17 but I think the server may be down at the moment.
Cheers,
China
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Hi Jacqui
Peter's parents were Janet/Katherine Daley (goes by both names) and Peter Lloyd. He was born in Lancashire.
Thanks China, I never thought of that I suppose it is possible he did return to the UK at some point. Were do I find Serie Principale then? We do think now he must have gone to Canada before January 1915, he was replying to a letter from his father before that so 1914 or before?
Thank you for help so far, this really is getting personal now ;)
Lynda
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High Bluehound,
Here is a link to the Montreal directories....
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
Hope it works. As Chinakay mentioned, it is in English after you click Serie Principale.
Polarbear :)
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As China doesn't seem to be online....I always access the Lovell directories here http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
Good luck
Carol
Snap Polarbear ;)
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Forgot the link :-[
It was late, that's my excuse ;D
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Thanks for link, didnt get any joy then - might try again though. I know 'think' from extensive searching, Peter Lloyd travelled to Canada in 1910 I have found a P Lloyd on the shipping list, and eventually remembered he was not on the 1911 census here in the UK, so hopefully that add's up.
Anyway, wondered if anyone could give any further help from this, its the back of the envelope of the letter he wrote to home in 1915
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It looks like we all assumed that Peter settled in Montreal when in fact he travelled across the country to Vancouver, British Columbia.
There are two possible death entries in the British Columbia death index. One possible death was for Phillip Peter J Lloyd who died 6 Feb 1948 in Vancouver at the age of 57 which would make him the same age as your Peter.
The other death was for Peter Lloyd who died 11 Nov 1973 in New Westminster, British Columbia at the age of 87 which make him about 5 years older than your Peter.
If a look-up is done on your behalf of the BC Archives microfilm, the death registrations should give enough information to determine whether one of those is your Peter.
I couldn't find Peter Lloyd on the 1911 census in Canada.
Jacquie
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Thanks Jacqui, I found those too. I have just been through all the resource links and cannot find a single detail of my Peter Lloyd, unless for some reason he added the 'Phillip' (which with my family history of name changes would not surprise me ::)).
I am trying to find details of marraige too, as the letter states he has a lovely new wife in 1915 ??? but no record of that available either.
Would I be better to start a new thread, with Peter Lloyd Vancouver 1910? or is that not correct protocol?
This is really starting to drive me bonkers now - the man must be somewhere surely?
If I am not imposing on your kindness too much, could you give me an idea on how to move forward as the brick wall is definatly closing in now :'(
Many Many Thanks for your help so far.
Lynda x
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Hello again,
RootsChat is extremely slow at the moment so I hope this reply will go through.
BTW, the dog in your avatar is beautiful!
In case you didn't know, you can search the 1911 Census for Canada for free at the following link...
http://automatedgenealogy.com/
The 'split view' original images are not working at the moment for some reason (the images give you more info than you get from the transcripts) but you can view transcripts. There is a Peter Lloyd in Ontario and 1 in Manitoba.
The address on the letter is in Vancouver, British Columbia. There is an index to vital events in BC.....try googling 'Vital Event Indexes BC Archives'. I can't manage to make a link at the moment. If you find any related records, there is a kind rootschatter :) who will probably offer to look them up for you.
Hope this post works.
Edit: some of this was just covered by Jacqui but I will post anyway.
Regards,
Polarbear
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You should be able to go back to your first post of this thread and modify the title so you don't have to start a new thread.
There are some RootsChatters who do have access to the BC Archives microfilm and might be able to do a look-up for you. If not, you could request a look-up at the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website:
http://www.raogk.org/
Jacquie
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Thanks PolarBear. The dog in the avatar is my Greyhound 'Dave' ;D
I looked up both Peter's in the link you gave me, neither are the right birthdate, just to confuse me further. :( Not sure what exactly I am googling, but will try it as you said.
Thanks Jacquie, wil have a go at editing - anything could happen now ;D, I dont really want to ask for any look up requests yet till I have the right person, dont want to waste anyone's time.
Off to try edit then continue the search :-\
Lynda
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LYnda
Here's the link to the BMD 's for Britich Columbia(which includes Vancouver ;D)
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes
I found it by googling "births marriages and deaths Vancouver."
Good luck
Carol
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Thank you Carol,
Just starting yet another few hours of searching :-\
Lynda x
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Hi again :),
The link Carol has given you was the one I couldn't seem to get to work for me yesterday. Jacquie would have found the death information that she posted earlier on the same website .
Too bad the Peters in the census don't appear to be yours. Were you able to see the original images? Can you tell us when your Peter was born? Was he single when he came to Canada?
Polarbear :)
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Hi Lynda,
Your amended title caught my eye as I live in Vancouver. The BC BMD registration lookups are very quick, literally 5 mins. So if you think the Lloyd options that Jacquie found are possibilities, I can look them up for you. I am planning to stop at the library tomorrow to do a few lookups so I can easily add yours to the list.
Regards,
Lynwen
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Well here I am again after another 2 hours of fruitless searching :'(
The Peter Lloyd I am searching for was born Lancashire 1892, to Peter Lloyd and Janet Daley. As far as I know he came to Canada alone were he met his wife probably in 1911, and was married by 1915.
The records I (and you all) have found on line so far are not matching up. I have looked on every Canadian Resource I can find and cannot find a single match for him, I am starting to think he is still alive at the grand age of 117 :o that or of course he maybe relocated again (pest!).
Thank you so much for your kind offer Lynwen, but no point in your searching the microfilms as yet until I have something definate to go on. (I know this from spending 2 hours at my own Library this morning on military searches).
I am starting to think this is one of those 'brick walls' they talk about, cant find him anywhere :'(
Thanks again
Lynda
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Let Lynwen check those deaths, as the posting said B.C. address, so should give it a shot if the lovely lady says she has trhe time
;D ( 10 mins max by her own admission...) J.J.
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;D Thanks J.J. I just might.
Getting nowhere fast. I messaged a lady on Genes Reunited who has traced an Edwin Lloyd born 1915 in Montreal ??? on the same family tree, which confuses the issue even further for me. Waiting to hear back from her with what I am hoping will be some more help, but nothing as yet :'(
Lynda
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Hello Bluehound,
Could you tell me Peter's full name? The one on the BC Vital Statistics Indexes could very well be your ancestor.
I have found a burial at the Masonic Cemetery, Burnaby, BC for a Pete Phillip Joseph Lloyd . On the Indexes he is
listed as Phillip Peter Joseph. He died 1948 which would make his birth date 1891. Now it all depends who gave
the information when he passed away; many mistakes were made by informants on deaths.
Lilybell
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Hi Lilybell
Yes we found that one and disgarded it with being the wrong name - but you never know I suppose ???
All I have is on the 1901 census here in the UK is Peter Lloyd aged 10 living with his parents Peter Lloyd and Janet Lloyd - no mention of another name, but then looking at the 1911 census which he is NOT on his brother Charlie (my Granddad) is only listed as Charlie and not Charlie Henry as was his name. I do know that mother Janet (or Catherine as she was also known?) was RC so the names do fit the Catholic connection too.
Dont suppose we can find out if Peter Phillip/Phillip Peter was married or had any children? Or is that going too far?
Thank you for help, in case you havent noticed this is still driving me quite bonkers.
Lynda
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Bluehound,
Well this is your lucky day for sure. I checked with the Masonic Cemetery in Burnaby and the Peter in their
cemetery is your ancestor.He is buried in plot 404 Grave #1 Section BX. He was born in Lancashire, He was a
Freemason. His wife Elsie A Lloyd died 05/05/1956 she was born Redding England. She is buried beside Peter in
plot 404 Grave #2 Section BX.
I have contacted a library and they will e mail his death registration to me today now I will ask them for Elsie's also.
When I receive them I will email them to you. If you PM me with your email I will forward them onto you.
Lilybell
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Bluehound,
I forgot to mention in my previous post the address on the envelope you posted is the address the Cemetery has
for him. If you contact someone at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindess for Vancouver someone will be able to
take photos of headstones if you wish.
Lilybell
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Hello again,
Based on the information Lillybell has added I have found the following marriage in Manitoba....the Peter is missing from the index but the rest seems to fit. This may match to the Peter in Manitoba in the 1911 Census?
Philip Joseph Lloyd
Elsie Contance Holloway
11/08/1915
Souris, Manitoba
You can purchase the certificate on line. It should give you birth date and place, parents names, and one or two other bits of info. Here is the link...I used Philip Lloyd to search the index.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Polarbear :)
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Hi again :),
Forgot to mention that the death Lillybell found for the wife of Philip Peter is listed as Elsie Constance Lloyd in the BC Archives Website, death 05/05/1956.
I wonder if there might be Newspaper Obituaries for either party. I know nothing about this aspect but someone else is sure to. They would possibly mention any children they may have had. They would have married after the privacy cut-off dates for birth information for Manitoba, where they may have lived for some time, or BC.
Polarbear
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oh my :'( ;D (mixed emotions). dont know what to say........ I just spent ages trying yet again to find him, gave up and went on yet another fruitless search for another rellie.
Just checked back and find you wonderful clever people have achieved this ;D ;D I'm speechless (well, almost ;D) lilybell cant thank you enough, will PM you now ;D
Thank you Polarbear, will definatly be doing that too.
Is there a way of finding any children? or am I being far too cheeky now? sorry if I am, just too excited ;D
Lynda
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Its exciting for us too!
You are not being cheeky to ask about children. Unfortunately, Canada has 100 year closure for births so there are no indexes of entries to consult. I think you would have to know the names and give reason why you are applying for a certificate. There may be baptismal records but I'm afraid I don't know anything about that possibility....someone else might. Your best bet is an obituary for Philip Peter and/or Elsie, which I mentioned previously and you missed in your excitement? ;D ;D
Regards,
Polarbear :)
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Hello Bluehound,
I have copies of death registrations being emailed to me and I contacted the Vancouver Public Library
to see if they have obituaries for Peter and Elsie if so they will email them also and I will forward everything on to
you as soon as I get them. Perhaps they will mention children if they had any.
Lilybell
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Ao, Nice going Lilybell & Polarbear...Fabulous work everybody else as well!....what with all those names and all... ;D J.J.
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And here's the sweet thing in 1911 only 15 ( born June 1896, immi. 1911)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=45891
which matches with sept Q. Elsie Constance Holloway Basingstoke vol2c p.212
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and these six names match with the burial information for:
LLOYD, Elsie Constance & LLOYD, Pete Phillip Joseph / Masonic cem. /Burnaby, Halifax Street / SW BCGS-C-68
( Note only the section in which they are in, not the plot)
LLOYD, Gordon
LLOYD, Ida Lee
LLOYD, Marjorie D.
LLOYD, Sidney Victor
LLOYD, Walter
LLOYD, Winnifred E.
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Checked with the Masonic Cemetery in Burnaby and they only indicated that Peter and Elsie were buried side by side.
They did not indicate there were other family members buried there.
Lilybell
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Thank you for the extra's Polarbear and J.J. ;D ;D Beaming away here, this is all just amazing, yes I do keep missing things in all the excitment ;D
Emails received thanks Lilybell ;D
Now dashing off to show Dad all this amazing stuff, he will be exstatic ;D
Very special thanks to Lilybell - what a star :-*
Lynda ;D ;D
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Its exciting for us too!
You are not being cheeky to ask about children. Unfortunately, Canada has 100 year closure for births so there are no indexes of entries to consult. I think you would have to know the names and give reason why you are applying for a certificate. There may be baptismal records but I'm afraid I don't know anything about that possibility....someone else might. Your best bet is an obituary for Philip Peter and/or Elsie, which I mentioned previously and you missed in your excitement? ;D ;D
Regards,
Polarbear :)
Hi Polarbear
Back again, and still far too excited ;D You have no doubt told me this already but how/where can I search for the obits?
Thank you
Lynda
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Hi Lynda
I have contacted the Vancouver Public Library to see if they might have a copy of obits for Peter and Elsie.
It may take a day or two for a reply, please bear with me.
When you look on the death registrations you will see Peter Holloway Lloyd a son was the informant on one
and there is another son listed on the second one which I could not make out although it does not look like the
same first names .
Lilybell
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Thanks Lilybell,
on list of 'things to do' is to blow up the death cert to see what I can make out ie cause of death, and the other information.
Again, thank you for all you are doing.
Lynda x