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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Brie on Tuesday 17 February 09 13:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
My gg grandpa has been entered on the censuses up to 1901 as having been born in Lurgon, Co. Down. Now in the 1911 he has put Waringstown (or something similar - it is difficult to read - and he a clerk!) Co. Down. Are they near, is one a part of the other? Sorry my Irish geography is terrible.
Thanks
Brie
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Waringstown is about 2 miles from Lurgan.
http://tinyurl.com/czk2qu
OTTO
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Thank-you,
That sounds very helpful as it should help narrow my search.
Forgot to add - Would it be Warringstown, Lurgan or Lurgan, Warringstown or are they pretty much the same size?
Brie
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Lurgan is the larger by far.
If you mean postal address now, it would be Waringstown Craigavon.
I have a reasonable connection with Waringstown,can I help you further.
OTTO
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Hello Otto,
I was wondering if you may know of any history of my Hand family from Warinsgtown and they too can be found in Lurgan.
I have informtion to my William Hand b.1862 ? died in Waringstown but I am unsure if he married a woman named Elizabeth Matthews.
One of their sons Samuel is on the Waringstown memorial banner.http://www.ulsterwarmemorials.net/html/waringstown.html
Other names are Neill ( maybe from Loughgilly) Reilly (Cavan), Rowan mixture of Church of Ire & Presbyterian.
Thanks
Laura
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Laura,
Yes, your William Hand did marry Elizabeth Matthews according to Emerald Ancestors. The marriage occurred on 5 Jan 1883 in Waringstown Presbyterian Church.
Regards
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Laura,
I looked at your link and noticed that it was a War Memorial so I looked up Samuel Hand on the Commonwealth War Graves Coommission website and found-
Samuel Hand, Rifleman, 16 Bn Royal Irish Rifles, Killed in Action 17 Oct 1917 aged 21, Son of William and Elizabeth Hand of Mill Hill, Waringstown. He was interred in Ruyaulcourt Military Cemetery.
Regards
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Hello Otto,
I was wondering if you may know of any history of my Hand family from Warinsgtown and they too can be found in Lurgan.
I have informtion to my William Hand b.1862 ? died in Waringstown but I am unsure if he married a woman named Elizabeth Matthews.
One of their sons Samuel is on the Waringstown memorial banner.http://www.ulsterwarmemorials.net/html/waringstown.html
Other names are Neill ( maybe from Loughgilly) Reilly (Cavan), Rowan mixture of Church of Ire & Presbyterian.
Thanks
Laura
Hi Laura,
Elizabeth Matthews and William Hand were married on 5th Jan 1883 in Waringstown Presbyterian Church. Here is the family in 1911 census :
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Waringstown/Waringstown_Town/253521/
William was the same age as my Great grandfather, who lived two doors away from the Hand's on Mill Hill Waringstown.
I was fortunate to work in the same factory as one of the Hand's in Lisburn, a quiet gentleman, who was most respected.
The details of William's marriage can be obtained from GRONI for £6, if you supply them with the following : Volume 1 page 835 , and the registration district of Lurgan.That should supply you with parents names etc....
Unfortunately, like my own ancestor, it seems he was born before Civil Registration began in 1864, but you may well find his birth record in a local church.
Good luck
OTTO
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Hi All,
Thanks very much for your information, it will certanly be very helpfull.
I do know there were Hands in Lisburn but have yet to find that connection.
Laura
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also check out this link too http://www.thiepvalmemoriallol1916.co.uk/Samuel_Hand.htm
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Hi,
Thanks for the link but I have this. I was a tad rushed when I wrote my original message.
I was able to order one of their brochers as it has a drawing of Samuel Hand, my great great Uncle. It the first time I have seen what my Hand family looked like. Other family links like the Hamptons are on there too so hopefully, I may find more links.
Laura
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Hi All,
Thanks very much for your information, it will certanly be very helpfull.
I do know there were Hands in Lisburn but have yet to find that connection.
Laura
The gentleman I worked with (early 70's) in Lisburn was Sam Hand, who travelled from Lurgan/Dollingstown/Waringstown to Lisburn.
OTTO
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Hi Otto,
Thanks for letting me know.
It's certainly a small world! My mother had an uncle Samuel Hand that would have been born between 1916 - 1942. My Great grandfather Thomas Hand married Elizabeth Neill and they had 13 Children, some or all born in Lurgan although I think my granny (their eldest Elizabeth) born 1914 Waringstown and their youngest born 1944 Lurgan. There were twins too.
My Hand family are/were a secretive bunch which makes it harder for one to trace! lol
Would you know if he had any family?
Thanks Laura
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Sorry Laura, Dont know anything of his family. I was sixteen and was introduced to this man called Sam Hand, who was probably about 50- 55years old in 1973. I remember thinking what an unusual surname.
OTTO
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Hi Otto,
Considering your dates, he could well be one of mine! The Hand family were always told they were of French Jewish origin that came to Ireland via one of the Scandivian countries for the linen work many years ago.
It has given me another lead to look into.
Thanks
Laura
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What is your interest in the Hand family are you a relative of the Hand's?
William Hand was my great great grandfather, he was born in1862 in Waringstown and was married to Elizabeth Withers born 1857. They had eleven children, six boys and five girls. My grandfather Thomas was one of the children. I have full history of the family aincluding photographs but will not release same via this medium.
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William Hand was my great great granda
Richard Hand was my great granda
Robert Hand was my granda
From Waringstown
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Samuel Hand died during World War one