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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: TheWombat on Tuesday 17 February 09 07:17 GMT (UK)
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Hello All
My Uncle, Ernest Henry WARREN, was born September 1907 in Sussex, England.
My Grandfather died in 1916, in England, leaving my Grandmother with ten children, eight of whom were dependant. Grandmother subsequently gave up two boys to the National Childrens Home. Both boys, one of whom was Ernest Henry, were subsequently sent to Canada.
My Grandmother married again(in London), to an Australian, and came to Australia about 1919 with her new husband and five children.
In Canada, in 1926, Ernest Henry indicated to the National Children's Home authorities that he wished to come to Australia to be reunited with his Mother and sisters. According to Ernest's sister, Dorothy, he did make it to Australia. His contact with his family, however, was apparently brief. Ernest (or Ernie as he was known) then disappeared and as far as I am aware, made no further family contact.
My rather obvious question is; Did he remain in Australia? If he did, what happened to him?
Can anyone help ......... please?
Regards
TheWombat
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Wombat,
Can you tell us what state in Australia your grandmother lived?
Also the names of Ernest Henry WARREN's parents could help in searching for a death in Australia.
Dee :D
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Hi Dee
Boy, that was quick !!!!!
Yes, Grandma lived in New South Wales.
Ernie's parents were: Ernest Henry WARREN and Amy Eliza DUFFIN (subsequently Amy Eliza CAMPBELL, formerly WARREN, nee DUFFIN)
Thanks and Regards
Wombat
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MMmmm...Maybe ???
A death in NSW
29038/1962 WARREN ERNEST HENRY. father ERNEST HENRY mother LYDIA JANE.
Sue
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Hello Sue
Thank you very much.
Certainly a possibility, although the mother's name is a bit off the mark.
Having said that, it appears young Ernie was none too impressed with his Mum. Firstly for "getting rid of him" to the NCH, and, secondly for disappearing to Australia without telling him (he wasn't sent to Canada until 1923).
Also, perhaps the person who notified the death may have been unsure of her name (assuming this was "my" Ernie).
Wombat
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Just found Ernest's departure for Canada on board the Regina.....but guess you already have that, Wombat.
Finding his arrival from Canada might not be so easy.
Dee
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Thanks again Dee.
Yes, we have him very well documented from birth up until 1926 in Canada. After that, apart from Aunty Dot's recollection of him turning up in Australia, nothing.
Wombat
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I checked the NSW Electoral Rolls for 1930 and 1936.
In the 1930 Electoral Roll there’s an Ernest Henry Warren, breadcarter, living at 63 Crystal St, Petersham NSW. At the same address is an Ellen Ramond Warren, Home Duties.
In 1936 there’s an Ernest Henry Warren, labourer at 635 Pacific Highway, Chatswood.
In 1930 there’s also Ernest Henry Warren, postman at 34 Henderson Rd, Alexandria. At that address is an Essie Grace Warren, Home Duties. This couple are at 283 Belmont St, Alexandria in 1936.
At 10 Dibbs St. Alexandria in 1936 there’s also an Ernest Henry Warren, moulder, and a Dora Elise Warren, Home Duties.
Whether one of these might be your Ernest Henry needs more information ….so maybe we could check for marriages of these couples.
Added ...... thanks to a post further down the page, we can eliminate the couple I have crossed out.
Dee
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Would you believe.....I found marriages for all those Ernest Henry Warrens in NSW, and they were all married after 1926......I'd hoped to eliminate one or two of them.......
Ernest H Warren married Essie G Lake Sydney in 1927
Ref = 10407
Ernest H Warren married Nellie R Duffy at Petersham in 1929
Ref = 2255
Ernest H Warren married Dora E. Crute at Newtown in 1931
Ref = 3378
Ernest H Warren married Nellie Dorothy Cox in Chatswood in 1938
Ref = 7604
??? :-\
Dee
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Thanks for all your sterling work Deeluka!
Ernest Henry Warren was my Great Uncle, & (along with Wombat on here) I've been looking for him for ages...
His brother, Norman Claude Warren, (Born Lewisham, Kent, England, February 1906) was also dispatched to Canada by the NCH, as a 'Home Child'. However, we believe that he too might have made it to Australia. Can anyone see anything on him?
On the Death Cert of his mother, Amy Eliza CAMPBELL, formerly WARREN, nee DUFFIN, Norman Claude is listed as Deceased. (Amy Eliza died in 1959).
The informant was Terence Walter Warren, who was Norman Claude's brother. This means that there must have been some contact between the brothers, although whether this meant that Norman died in Australia or not is unknown.
Any help welcomed!
Cheers, Romilly.
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Arrrggghhhh ......... Dee ......
I'm drowning in a sea of information ....... and how pleasant it is! Thank you so much.
Now to start sorting through it, and see what eventuates. ::)
And, hello Romilly .... it'll be interesting to see if Norman pops up!
Thanks & regards
Wombat
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Romilly and Wombat,
Norman's death doesn't turn up in the NSW Death indexes. (To 1978)
Can't see a marriage either..... :-\
I can check the Electoral Rolls to see if he's listed there.
Dee
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Arrrggghhhh ......... Dee ......
I'm drowning in a sea of information ....... and how pleasant it is! Thank you so much.
Now to start sorting through it, and see what eventuates. ::)
And, hello Romilly .... it'll be interesting to see if Norman pops up!
Thanks & regards
Wombat
Morning Wombat ;)
Sorry to jump in on your post ;D ;D but wouldn't it be great if we could get them both sorted?
All Best Wishes from a grey cloudy Hertfordshire,
Romilly :)
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Hi
I had a look at the Ernest Warren who married the Essie.
Essie Grace died 9 July 1931 and her husband Ernest died 1 July 1970 aged 66yrs.
The Ernest Warren who died 26 Sept 1962-death notice doesn't mention a wife but does mention children and stepchildren along with a sister called Lily and brothers Harold and George.
Don't know if this helps
Regards
Annie
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Hello All
Annie, thank you ...... perhaps not this one. Our Ernie didn't have siblings with the names you mention (unless these were brothers and sister-in-law).
Romilly, a pleasure to have you with me - and we actually had some rain today (a cracker of a storm and torrential rain)!
Dee, thank you very much once more ....... and you too Sue.
I'll be back tomorrow.
G'night all .........
Wombat
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Hi Again,
Just a brief recap...(& I think its amazing that you can get all of that info on a Look-up! Nothing like that available here).
Ernest & Normans's siblings were, (I hope this is right Wombat :-)
Annie Mabel
Leonard Ernest
Dorothy
Vera Florence
Terence Walter
Bernard
& Graham.
All Best Wishes, Romilly :)
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Phone calls distracted me. ::)
No Norman Claude Warren is listed anywhere in Australia on Electoral Rolls.
Thanks annecaroline.....that means we can cross off one couple.
Dee
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Phone calls distracted me. ::)
No Norman Claude Warren is listed anywhere in Australia on Electoral Rolls.
Thanks annecaroline.....that means we can cross off one couple.
Dee
Many Thanks for looking Dee, - looks like he never made it to Australia:-(
Cheers, Romilly.
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Another of the Ernest henry Warrens died in NSW in 1944. He's not yours.....but which of the ones in the electoral rolls he is, I have no idea.
One Index I want to search is at present down, and I don't know how long it will be before it is up and running again. Last time it took 7 days! :-\
I'll have another try tomorrow.......and maybe some others will be around who have some ideas.
Dee :D
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I have checked out all the other websites I can think of in an attempt to find more information for you both about Ernest Henry Warren, and Norman Claude Warren.....with absolutely no success.
I was hoping to check out the Ryerson Index, to see if there was an Ernest Henry Warren listed on there after 1978, but at present the search site has been disabled by the server because of too high a demand. It's unknown when it will be available again. :-\
I double checked on the Ernest Henry Warren who married Essie Grace Lake and died aged 66 in 1970. I'm doubly sure he can be ruled out as there is an Ernest H Warren born in Waterloo NSW in 1903 to Frank E and Maud Warren. But that leaves three possible marriages....pity the NSW Indexes don't give fathers' names like the South Australian indexes do. :-\
Fresh ideas needed from others, I think....... :D
Dee
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How about giving us the date of death for Amy Campbell and where she is buried.
It might be possible to look for a funeral or death notice. That could say son Ernest of .................
worth a try
Jenn
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Hello Jenn
Amy Eliza died on 30 March 1959, and her ashes were interred at the Northern Suburbs Crematorium, Sydney. I have a strong suspicion that a death notice may not be very forthcoming ........ but, on the other hand, I could be wrong.
On another note ........ have you grown web feet yet? The rain has only just made it down to us.
Regards
TheWombat
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No web feet yet but enough water to turns us all into frogmen and women.
Why do you think there was no death or funeral notice have you allready looked for one?
Jenn
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Hi Jenn
I have to confess that I haven't looked for a death notice for something like thirty years, but I didn't have any luck back then.
Wombat
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Hi All,
I am so hoping that something turns up...
After going through, (again) all of the files on these boys sent to me by the National Children's Home...I would really like to be able to close it on a happy note...(i.e.hopefully, marriage/kids/a contented old age:-) At least something to make up for what happened to them...
Fingers crossed, eh??
Romilly :)
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Would love to be able to help further, Romilly and Wombat.....
It's the Ryderson Index we need to check in case there's the death of an Ernest Henry listed on that. Unfortunately, the search facility and its companion Request a lookup facility have been suspended, so don't know when they will be available again. :'( :'(
Dee
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Hi Dee,
Oh thats a shame...
Is there a Link to that Site, - so I can keep an eye on it?
Cheers, Romilly.
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The link is in this thread, Romilly....or just google Ryerson Index.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,352713.15.html
You might like to read the latter stages of the thread, as it explains what the problem is..... :-\
It's a wonderful index, and all done by volunteers, who will do individual checks for people, and send you all the information the entry contains.
Dee
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Many Thanks for that Dee, - I just tried & can see the problem:-(
Lets hope it comes back soon.
Thanks for all the help, - much appreciated!
Romilly :)
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Hi-new to Rootschat. My relative John Bede Campbell married Amy eliza Warren. They came to Australia in 1919 and brought 5 children. I have some info on Terence, Amy, Graham Francis, Bernard and maybe Ernest but from your thread I think my Ernest is wrong. John/Amy had child in Sydney in 1920 (BERYL) who died at 9 months from Gastro. Theysettled in Bundarra, counry NSW on the land. John died 1927 by drowning on property. Amy and children move to Sydney at some stage but gap there but electroal roll info for 1936 on some of these children. Amy's parents were William John Duffin (overseer) deceased at time of Amy's marriage and her mother was Maria Petty.
Would love to swap all this information but would be too much to be doing via roots chat I think.
I am also wanting any info you have on Warrens/Campbell/Duffin.
Let me know if willing to give me your email address to share this information further.
Cheers
Lynne (Sydney, Australia)
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Hello there and Wlecome to rootschat
see the little green scroll to the left of the screen as you look at it? that is how you send pm ( personal message) but you have to have three posts before you can use it.
Jesnn
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Welcome to Rootschat, Lynne. :D :D
I'm sure Romilly and Wombat will be happy to hear from you.
Once you have posted two or three messages on this thread or another serious thread, you'll be able to exchange Personal Messages with Romiily and Wombat. Then they may be happy to exchange email addresses with you.
Whatever you do, don't post it on a message in this thread....that's not allowed.
Dee :D
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Many thanks - of course the info available to anyone that wants it regarding Warren/Campbell/Duffin. Thanks for quick response. Lynne
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You're welcome Lynne.
Most Rootschatters love the chance to help.
Romilly and The Wombat were last on the site early in May....hopefully they'll get a message in their emails to say that this thread has had new postings, and so will sign in before too long, and post or message in reply.
Don't hesitate to ask if you need help with aything to do with the site.
Dee :D
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Hi-new to Rootschat. My relative John Bede Campbell married Amy eliza Warren. They came to Australia in 1919 and brought 5 children. I have some info on Terence, Amy, Graham Francis, Bernard and maybe Ernest but from your thread I think my Ernest is wrong. John/Amy had child in Sydney in 1920 (BERYL) who died at 9 months from Gastro. Theysettled in Bundarra, counry NSW on the land. John died 1927 by drowning on property. Amy and children move to Sydney at some stage but gap there but electroal roll info for 1936 on some of these children. Amy's parents were William John Duffin (overseer) deceased at time of Amy's marriage and her mother was Maria Petty.
Would love to swap all this information but would be too much to be doing via roots chat I think.
I am also wanting any info you have on Warrens/Campbell/Duffin.
Let me know if willing to give me your email address to share this information further.
Cheers
Lynne (Sydney, Australia)
Hello Lynne
It's an absolute pleasure to hear from you!
Amy Eliza was my grandmother, and I have family info I'd love to pass to you.
You may have noticed that I've left a private message,and my email address, for you.
Look forward to hearing from you again .....
Regards
TheWombat
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Hi Wombat, Romilly and Lynne
When you have pooled your info perhaps you can let us know what you still need to find?
Cheers, Judith
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Hi Wombat, Romilly and Lynne
When you have pooled your info perhaps you can let us know what you still need to find?
Cheers, Judith
Helllo Judith
Yes, Lynne and I have been, and are, in contact. It appears that Lynne may know more about my family in Australia than I do!
I'm presently sorting data, filling in blanks ....... (I'm sure you know what I mean) ... and will post updates, queries, etc. as they occur.
My very best regards.
Wombat
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Great outcome, Wombat!
Really pleased for you...... :D :D
Dee
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Great outcome, Wombat!
Really pleased for you...... :D :D
Dee
Thanks Dee, but as someone once said "it ain't over yet" !!!
Rgds
Wombat
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Hi-new to Rootschat. My relative John Bede Campbell married Amy eliza Warren. They came to Australia in 1919 and brought 5 children. I have some info on Terence, Amy, Graham Francis, Bernard and maybe Ernest but from your thread I think my Ernest is wrong. John/Amy had child in Sydney in 1920 (BERYL) who died at 9 months from Gastro. Theysettled in Bundarra, counry NSW on the land. John died 1927 by drowning on property. Amy and children move to Sydney at some stage but gap there but electroal roll info for 1936 on some of these children. Amy's parents were William John Duffin (overseer) deceased at time of Amy's marriage and her mother was Maria Petty.
Would love to swap all this information but would be too much to be doing via roots chat I think.
I am also wanting any info you have on Warrens/Campbell/Duffin.
Let me know if willing to give me your email address to share this information further.
Cheers
Lynne (Sydney, Australia)
Hi Lynne,
I'm just back from hols & found your post. I hadn't realised that Amy Eliza Warren had married JB Campbell, - I had looked, but couldn't find a Marriage Cert!
Have now recieved all of your info, - kindly passed on from Wombat. I'm thrilled to see that Amy Eliza & JB Campbell were married, - & in Croydon, UK too, - now how did I miss that!! And it answers many queries about what happened to many of Amy Eliza's children too...The only one still outstanding is Norman Claude Warren, - last heard of in New York in 1929, but seemingly dead by 1959, - although we don't know how or when...
Thanks so much for all of this new info Lynne, - I had almost given up ever finding anything further ;D
All Best Wishes, Romilly :)
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Wombat,
I'm brand new to rootschat and may be too late to provide you with any useful info.
I think I "know" your Ernest Warren. He lived with, and worked for, my family for at least part of his time in Canada. I have the letters that he wrote to my relatives after he moved to Australia. He sounds very happy in them & seems to have a good relationship with my family, which makes me think they treated him well. I have the agreement that my great-grandfather signed when Ernest came to live with him. I also have Ernest's trunk that he kept all of his belongings in. I have looked at that trunk all of my life and wondered about its owner...which is what brings me to this site. My grand-parents are no longer alive, but I'm sure my aunts and uncles may know some info or stories about him that they have heard. Is there anything you would like to know about him?
Searchforernest
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Hello searchforernest
An absolute pleasure to hear from you.
You asked what I would like to know about Ernest? Well, just about everything after his arrival in Canada. That part of his life is almost a complete mystery. He did turn up in Australia, and reacquainted himself with family members here, and then seems to have vanished.
Unfortunately I'm on a bit of a caravan trip at the moment and don't have all my records with me, but I'll contact a relative at home and see what I can get hold of at this distance, and then get back to you. Probably this will occur in the next 48 hours.
Thanks again, and regards,
TheWombat
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Not sure if you ever saw Amy Elizabeth Campbell's death notice so I will type up the details, though it doesn't help locate Ernest.
Sydney Morning Herald 31 March 1959
CAMPBELL Amy Elizabeth March 30,1958 at her daughter's residence, Narrabeen, loved wife of the late John Bede Campbell and loving mother of her children. English papers please copy.
regards,
Ros
(welcome to rootschat searchforernest :) I think we would all love to know what is in Ernest's trunk :) )
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Good Morning all,
This may be a "red herring" but a Ernest Henry Warren died in New Zealand in 1974 with a date of birth given as 15 September 1911.
Cheers :)
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NZ Elctoral Roll
1963
Address- 235 High Street, Dunedin Central.
WARREN, Ernest Henry. Occ. Machinist
1969
As above
1972
As above. Occ. Press hand
1978
As above.
There are no others of the surname at that address. There are others of the surname in the district.
Sue
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I have read through the letters Ernest sent to my family when he was in Australia. There may be some details of use, I do not know. I would like to forward that to you, but I think there's too much to post here. How do I get that info to those who are interested? Break it down in chunks?
Thanks,
Searchforernest
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I have read through the letters Ernest sent to my family when he was in Australia. There may be some details of use, I do not know. I would like to forward that to you, but I think there's too much to post here. How do I get that info to those who are interested? Break it down in chunks?
Thanks,
Searchforernest
Hi Searchforernest, are you still on Rootschat? There's been something of a long pause (by me) since your post.
I'm still interested.
Regards
Wombat
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Hi,
I am the grand daughter of Ernest Henry Warren. I don't know much about him and have just started to search and found this post. My grand father did live in Petersham and was married to Nellie (Ellen) Ramona Warren (nee Duffy). I saw your post and saw that there is a person by the name of Lynne helping you. I have a second cousin by the name of Lynne (nee Duffy). Is this the same person? If I were to find Lynne would she have information on my grand father? What do you know about him?
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Hello dsun
At this time I don't know if your EHW is in fact my EHW. Mine came from Canada (b. in England) to visit family in 1926, but disappeared shortly afterwards. There has been no reliable trace of him since.
The Lynne you mention is a descendant of EHW's mother's second husband, and therefore was more interested in his family tree. I no longer have any contact details for her.
So I regret that, at the moment at least, I am unable to help you with your research, but good luck.
Regards
Wombat
I should mention that if you discover the birth details of your EHW, and they match my EHW then we could be onto something.
W.
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Hi dsun
Earlier in this thread The Wombat felt the Ernest Henry WARREN, your grandfather, who married Ellen Ramona DUFFY and died in September 1962 was not the man he was looking for.
Marriage-
2255/1929 WARREN Ernest H.
DUFFY Nellie R
PETERSHAM
Death-
29038/1962 WARREN Ernest Henry
Ernest Henry & Lydia Jane
At SYDNEY
For the person he was looking for, the mother has the wrong name because if you go back through the whole thread you will see the mother if the correct person would be Amy Eliza
As mentioned in the thread, the NSW Electoral Rolls 1930 shows your grandfather Ernest Henry WARREN as a bread-carter, at 63 Crystal St, Petersham with Ellen Ramona WARREN and in 1949 they are at 24 Bruce street Petersham.
The death notice of your grandfather - 26 Sept 1962- mentions children and stepchildren and a siblings Lily and Harold and George. Our OP says these names are not names of the siblings of the chap he is looking for.
The death notice on July 27th 1954 for Ellen Ramona of 24 Bruce Street Stanmore names children too.
So it seems you are speaking of another man, not the one who is the subject of this particular thread, but many here will be glad to help in your search if you want to let us know what you need to know.
By the way,
I think the father listed on the Ernest Henry WARREN 1962 death above may be incorrect.
I suspect it should be Thomas.
Sue