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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: BlueHound on Monday 16 February 09 19:56 GMT (UK)
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Sorry the cap badges are not so clear, was a terrible photograph I have restored to the best both me and the other restorers on the board can.
Until weekend, we did not believe anyone from this side of the family was in the forces, we had no record of it. Now, this picture has come to light, along with a reference letter written by a commanding officer of the Seaforth Highlanders, 2nd Battalian. So, what I need to know, is this the Seaforth Highlanders then? Can anyone identify them?
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/bluehound66/Seaforth.jpg)
Many Thanks
Lynda
If I am right, the name of the soldier is probably Peter Lloyd.
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Hi Lynda
A close up of the cap badge would be a great help if you can.
Gary
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I second the previous post! :)
Can't tell you what they are right now, but I can tell you what they're not, and that is Seaforth Highlanders. Sorry to chuck a spanner in the works :-\
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No, thats fine - at least I can stop the search on them, little info I could find anyway.
The photo was in very poor condition, as were the badges, having gone through every single cap badge this is the best I can do, and I know its not good sorry :-\ just gives the general shape really.
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/bluehound66/capbadge.jpg)
Now a total mystery to me who they are.
Lynda
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Really hard to tell from that pic but as neil says not Seaforths.
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Sorry not a good enough picture. I do have another I have yet to restore of 2 soldiers, maybe same reg? will get onto that one next then.
Any idea of a year?
thanks for help so far.
Lynda
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Just a guess I would say post 1945.
Gary
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A pic of Seaforth Badge.
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Thanks Preshous, see your point now :) Definatly not the highlanders, so now totally confused who the reference letter was for who was apparently a piper in the Highlanders for 14 years ::)
Will try get to restore the other picture, which seems now to be WW2 and not WW1 as we thought, leading to a lot further confusion on who on earth it is.
Thank you so much for help, saved me going down blind mans alley ;D
Lynda
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Hi Lynda
He could well have been a Gordon Highlander.
Gary
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He could well have been a Gordon Highlander.
Sorry no, not a highlander of any sort.
It's not just the badge, the photo shows no typical highlander items of dress or styling at all.
Compare to this (a random WW1 highlander)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/1585677178_513a215f53.jpg?v=0
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Thanks again, very interesting to see what the Highlanders did look like, I did wonder about the kilt and cap.
Back to drawing board ;D Will try get another for you for later.
Lynda
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Just thought I would show you what I have been wittering on about. Seems there must have been one of the family in the Highlanders, may take some time to work out who though ;D Here is the note I was referring to;
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/bluehound66/img018.jpg)
Lynda
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Just to throw in my tuppence worth.
Barry Buddon camp near Carnoustie is still very much on the go. Forfarshire became Angus in 1928 so the letter is post that. Early 1930's would put him in the first world war.
I think the photo is inter war poss mid 30's. The tunic style is still ww1 not the shortened blousen jacket of ww2. I first thought it was RMP but the badge isn't correct. They are a bit of a mixed bag short and long puttees plus at least one with dark buttons- wouldn't be RAF Regiment by any chance?
David
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He could well have been a Gordon Highlander.
Sorry no, not a highlander of any sort.
It's not just the badge, the photo shows no typical highlander items of dress or styling at all.
Sorry if I caused any confusion. When I refered to Gordon Highlander if was thinking of the letter and not the photo. I think the 2 are unrelated. Letter seems to prove a Seaforth.
Gary
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Dave it did not catch my attention at first but you are quite right I see 2 uniforms with dark buttons. Perhaps a scan at 600 dpi might be helpfull.
Gary
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If it is of any assistance I have a transcription of the 2nd. Seaforths War Diary for the month of October 1916 and April/May 1915 if it is of any help to you.Unfortunately a Piper would have been classed as Other Ranks and no names given. I think I have attached a photograph of 2nd. Seaforths in training during WW1.
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My grandfather was in the seaforth highlanders RALPH ADDISON is there any chance he is in the photo do you know .He was killed in the war and buried in the coxyde cemetry in Belgium in 1917
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Gary
Thanks for that.
Sticking with the RAF Regt re the first photo (think shoulder markings are just visible). lucky I'm not a betting man ;D
David
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Hello Akka,
I see your grandfather was with the 9th. Batallion Seaforth Highlanders when he was killed. I'm afraid I have no names to go with this photograph. Perhaps Fort George may be able to assist.
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staying with David's suggestion of this possibly being a photograph of members from the RAF Regiment, the Royal Air Force Regiment was formed on 1st February 1942 and the uniform was similar to that worn by the army with battle dress blouse and trousers and with webbing anklets/gaiters. BD had been introduced into the army in March 1939 and was to (slowly) replace Service Dress (SD) from that date. However although not formed until 1942 the regiment owes it beginings to an earlier force, this being the Royal Air Force Armoured Car Companies that were raised in Egypt in 1921 (No: 1 AAC) and 1922 (No:2 AAC).
To me the photograph appears to be an inter war one and if army shows a group without collar dogs which would place it pre 1924. However if it were possible for a high res' scan of one of the visable shoulder markings it may give a better clue to the regiment.
old rowley
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Well this is getting very interesting now. Not that I can imagine any of my family actually being in the RAF but at least I know to check that out too then. I have been told my local library has volumes of details taken from the newspapers of those who went to war, so I am intending of visiting to see if I can learn more that way. Will of course take time and maybe a few visits ::)
Baird, I would be interested in any details you have for 2nd Bat, though as you say doubtful then that a piper may be named but worth a try.
I have given my latest findings to Dad with the original picture before I restored it, so will scan it as high as I can and add to thread later tonight see if that is any more help.
Thank you so much for help so far.
Lynda
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Lynda , have you tried the National Archives to see if a Peter Lloyd has his army record or campaign medal card on line. It is quite straight forward to search but will cost a couple of pounds to download any info you want that you may find. Not many of the army records survive but the medal rolls are quite complete.
Baird
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Thanks Baird, will certainly take a look and try there.
Lynda
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Trying to attatch original high res photo - hoping it will work :-[
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Looks like David could well be correct when he suggested about it being RAF. The cap badge has the form and shape of that of the RAF one and coupled with the dark band around the cap it would now point to that being the case. Also some of the shoulder insignia would appear to be the RAF Eagle.
old rowley
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No wonder I cant find anything then ::)that counts out Peter Lloyd then I'm sure.
Any idea of an approximaite year? so I can continue searching.
Many Thanks, certainly surprise the family this one.
Lynda
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Thank you for your reply it was worth the try
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Well I know have information on its way (from my clever ancestory expert friend) that one of my relatives did serve albiet briefly in the Kings Liverpool enlisting in 1917. With 2 transfers, ending up in 3rd Batt. which was I believe 'reserves'.
Also have info on its way for another relative who joined up in WW1 at age 39, passing during his service with appendititis.
Still no nearer to finding out who on earth was in the Highlanders, but closing in on the serving relatives, so who knows.
Lynda