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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: SharonSmith on Sunday 15 February 09 18:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I am new to English research, and I have hit a wall that I just cant seem to knock down. My G-grandfather Robert L Boal died in 1923 and his Wife Ellen Jane died 1950. I was told they were buried in Phillips Park Cemetery, and I contacted them and they are not there. I know my G-Grandparents lived only a couple blocks from that Cemetery, then someone said maybe wthey were buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery that is now a Shopping Mall. Does anyone know how I can find where my family is Buried?? Im totally stuck on this, please any advise is helpful.
Sharon
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Hi,
There were a few Cemeteries in the same area as Phillips park, All saints church was at the opposite end of the road & had its own cemetery, and an additional 'overflow' cemetery known as "Orford Road" which closed in the 1950s I think.
There is also Moston Cemetery which is a mainly Catholic one, Hollinwood Cemetery not far away, and The Weslyan Cemetery mentioned over in Cheetham Hill area.
Both Orford Road & the Weslyan are now sadly both gone - I had family in Orford Rd and possibly in the Weslyan too.
Do you know what religion they were? that may narrow it down.
I just checked the Manchester online register & they arent listed there.
Gaille
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I assumed that they were Methodist, but havent confirmed that at all. I guess I will have to try to find Obituaries to confirm where they could be buried. Or how do I order Death records?
Sharon
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Hi Sharon,
ok, lets backtrack a little, Do you know where they married?
If you know the hurch they married in that may give us a clue maybe.
You said they lived close to Phillips park, any actual address?
Gaille
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Im sorry all I know is that they married in Belfast 2 Jun 1893.
1911 Census shows that they lived at 14 Kirloch street Bradford Manchester England, im guessing at the street spelling. I do know Robert was a Fireman, and he also worked at the Oxford Packing Co. Thats what the 1911 Census had said.
Sharon
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Ohhh this might be of help, I just found this.!!! Robert L Boal daughter Arabella may Boal married a Edward H Shields in 1937 at the Bradford, Methodist School Chapel, Ashton New Road Manchester Lancashire. So I really would assume they were Methodist/
Sharon
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Im sorry all I know is that they married in Belfast 2 Jun 1893.
1911 Census shows that they lived at 14 Kirloch street Bradford Manchester England, im guessing at the street spelling. I do know Robert was a Fireman, and he also worked at the Oxford Packing Co. Thats what the 1911 Census had said.
Sharon
Hi Sharon,
OK, I would try Moston Cemetery even if its just to rule it out.
I am working on the fact that they were married in Ireland and Bradford and Cheetham had quite a lot of Irish Catholic Families living there.
In the 1900s Ireland was a predominatly Catholic Country.
Moston is quite close to Phillips park, and not registered on the Manchester Online website.
(Its about a 15 minute walk between the 2)
It might be worth checking even if its only to rule it out.
I have the contact details somewhere downstairs I will look them out for you in the morning.
Gaille
(ps going offline now as its 2am and I better go sleep!)
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Ohhh this might be of help, I just found this.!!! Robert L Boal daughter Arabella may Boal married a Edward H Shields in 1937 at the Bradford, Methodist School Chapel, Ashton New Road Manchester Lancashire. So I really would assume they were Methodist/
Sharon
LOL OK, ignore my last post then given this fact.
Let me see if I can hnt anything up tomorrow............. or anyone else can in the meantime :)
night for now
Gaille
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Thank you so much for trying to help me. If you can give me an idea as to where I might find an obituary, it could solve this whole mess im going through. My Uncle is still alive, and if they were buried in that Methodist Cemetery I wont have the heart to tell him what happened to the remains. He would be devastated. Talk to you tomorrow, and thank you again.
Sharon
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hi sharon
this is what i have found
1911
BOAL ELLEN JANE F 1871 40 Prestwich Lancashire
BOAL ROBERT LEACH M 1865 46 Prestwich Lancashire
Deaths in Dec quarter of1923
BOAL Robert L aged 60 Prestwich 8d 464
Deaths in Jun quarter 1950
BOAL Ellen J aged 82 Manchester 10e 338
Prestwich is approx 10 miles from Bradford, Manchester
the other Robert Boal on the page is living in Bradford Yorkshire.
hope this helps a bit
rgds Jo
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Sharon,
Hi Bradley Boal from Australia...
I am in the middle of a family research project based on BOAL.
So I noted your post.
To help you Emerald Ancestors notes
Robert L Boal married Ellen Jane Costley 2 Jun 1893 at Belfast Civil Registrars Office Shankill Belfast...Antrim
If they are Down Boals they would have been Presbyterian originally.. Scotch Irish settlers arrived in Ireland after 1613. Name was Bole in Scotland..
Couldnt find Robert Leach Boals birth, The wedding certificate can be bought thru GRO in Ireland forr about 10 pounds. That will give you the parents names..
If you want facts online irish origins may be quicker but costs more in the long run.
I have just started
i found a Mary Jane Costley born 5 Oct 1871 in Crumlin Antrim to a Mary Costley.
I would be interested to know Robert Boal father as it may link into our tree as well.
Hope this is helpful..
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thanks
Brad
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Prestwich is approx 10 miles from Bradford, Manchester
Prestwich was the registration district for what then became North Manchester.
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Part of the sad story of the Wesleyan Cemetery Cheetham Hill
http://www.interment.net/data/eng/lancashire/wes_meth/history.htm
The cemetery area is now many feet lower than the original cemetery ground level, and now a Tesco car park also part of the main road to the back of Cheetham Hill
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Sharon,
Hi Bradley Boal from Australia...
I am in the middle of a family research project based on BOAL.
So I noted your post.
To help you Emerald Ancestors notes
Robert L Boal married Ellen Jane Costley 2 Jun 1893 at Belfast Civil Registrars Office Shankill Belfast...Antrim
If they are Down Boals they would have been Presbyterian originally.. Scotch Irish settlers arrived in Ireland after 1613. Name was Bole in Scotland..
Couldnt find Robert Leach Boals birth, The wedding certificate can be bought thru GRO in Ireland forr about 10 pounds. That will give you the parents names..
If you want facts online irish origins may be quicker but costs more in the long run.
I have just started
i found a Mary Jane Costley born 5 Oct 1871 in Crumlin Antrim to a Mary Costley.
I would be interested to know Robert Boal father as it may link into our tree as well.
Hope this is helpful..
Brad (The NO EMAIL GUY!!!) for mr AA
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Sharon
Do you have any other childrne in the family?
B
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Hi, Sharon
There is a headstone in St. Cross cemetary, Clayton , Manchester refering to : Robert Leach Boal died 1923 who was awarded an OBE for services to drama and the arts.
Does this sound like your ancestor?
Rick
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Sharon
Have you actually visited the cemetery where you think your G Grandparents are buried. When i was looking for my grandparents, I rang the cemetery where I thought they were, and they could not find them. I then went to find their obituary in the local paper, and it said they had been buried at that particular cemetery. When i paid that cemetery a visit, they found them in an old ledger.
Just a thought.
Good luck and regards
Molly
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Rick
Yes Yes that is my Robert Leach Boal im sure !!!! He did die in 1923, and his middle name was Leach, how many people would have that for a middle name. Is there a contact place for me to write to that cemetery? I would love to get a photo of that memorial if possible. This has made my day !!!!
Sharon
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Hi, Sharon
I havent actually seen the grave yet. A friend who is interested in local history, like myself, was intrigued by the OBE citation and asked me to find out who Robert Leach Boal was. I believe there is also another name on the headstone
I'll visit St. Cross tomorrow/Sunday for more details and try to take a photo.
Fingers crossed,
Rick
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Rick
That would be so awesome of you to do. I have been searching everywhere to find where he is buried. Maybe his wife's name is there aswell if that is truly where they are buried. Wonder if the cemetery has a online listing of who is buried there, or if they are open is it possible to ask them for their email address so I could contact them. So hard to research someone from so far away. I really appreciate what you are doing. If I can help you out anyway just hollar.
Sharon
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Hi again Rick,
If you are digging up information for your friend on my Gg-Grandfather I would love to see anything you happen to find. I haven't been able to find an Obituary, and knew nothing about a citation given to him. Wonder if something was ever in the newspaper about that or maybe a photograph of him.... So many questions still not being able to get answers. I am tickled you contacted me about the headstone. Like I mentioned before, I have been searching and searching to find where he and his wife Ellen were buried.
Next thing is finding his obituary and that of his wife whom died in 1950. My Uncle in Ireland will be so happy we finally found them, Uncle is well into his 80's now. If you have any advise how to get more information, please let me know.
Sharon
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Hi
Not sure if this is of help to anyone but in Kellys 1927 Ellen Jane BoaL lived at 497 Ashton New Road, Clayton. There was also a Moses Boal, a decorator who lived at 7 Kenmare (I think) Street. - they are the only 2 shown
cheers
Ginger
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Hi, Sharon
Success! :)
I found the grave of your relation and took a photo. It's in my pictures file but I couldn't get the hang of inserting a copy using Rootschat. If you can let me have your e-mail address I can then send it to you as an attachment. It's not very clear as I used my phone camera but I might be able to take a clearer one later on my regular camera. My wife, Maureen, said she will clean the headstone so I get more clarity. Also we'll lay some flowers for you.
The inscription reads:
My Dearly Beloved Husband
Robert Leach Boal OBE
who died Nov. 17th 1923 aged 60 years
also Ellen Jane beloved wife of above
died May 24th 1950 aged 82 years
Rest in Peace
I dont know how he obtained his OBE (order of the British Empire); my friend just assumed it was for services to drama and the arts. I couldn't find a number on the headstone but the rectory for St. Cross church is located at:
54 Clayton Hall Road, Clayton, Manchester. M11 4WH
tel: 0161 223 0766 You can e-mail them via the website for the Church of Manchester Anglican Church list. I go on holiday on Wednesday for 2 weeks but when I get back I'll visit the County Records Office where they have all the local newspapers from the 1920/50s to look for death and burial notices re. the Boals. Meanwhile, go to Manchester City Council Archives website. Click archive catalogue, local images, go to Find: Type in Ashton New Road. Image ID. 12350 shows no; 407 which must have been close to where Ellen Jane lived. There are also images of St. Cross church and school - which I attended many moons ago. On the council website the microfiche number for burials at the church is also given (MFPR 1320). I'll look this up at Manchester Central Library later for any further info. Incidently, Prestwich was the previous address for Manchester registrar offices but didn't mean that the people on the listings for BMD actually lived in that area.
Bye for now,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
I sent you a PM with my email address as you aren't allowed to put it up here. I have the 1911 Census and pretty much followed the family back from there. I don't have any obituaries on any of the family, and I did a search of the Times Archives and found nothing about an OBE. Robert Leach Boal was also at one time with the fire brigade, as well worked in a Packaging company of some sort. I would like to say you have really made my day with this find. Thank you ever so much, it really means a lot to me.
Sharon