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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: suitcase on Saturday 14 February 09 23:26 GMT (UK)
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So here's the story:
Charles Henry Tedder married Jane Sarah Simmonds on 1 May 1880 in Clewer, New Windsor.
They had 8 children (all born Windsor):
Edith Sarah b 1880
Charles Henry b1882
George Mortimer b1884
Emma Louise Martha b1885
Harry Guildford b1893
Jane Ann b1894 (died 1900)
John Frederick b1897
Alfred Stephen C b 1899
In the 1881 census Charles is a soldier in barracks at Regents Park and Jane is living with her mother (Martha Simmonds - Jane was illigitimate so no father) and baby Edith Sarah in Windsor
In 1891 Charles and Edith Sarah are living with Charles's parents (Charles and Ann) in Windsor. Jane is an 'inmate' at the Elizabeth Fry refuge in Hackney (having looked this up it seems she must have committed some sort of crime to have been sent there, I need to get to the prison records at Kew at some stage to see if I can find out what - given the gap in birth dates for the children, I assume this happened around 1885/6)
Charles Henry jnr is an 'inmate' at a boys industrial school in Bath, Emma LM (at just 5yrs old) is an 'inmate' at a girls industrial school in Bath, and George M is a boarder with the Cutter family in Oxford.
No idea why Charles sent the 3 younger children away rather than having them with him and his parents...seems very sad.....
In 1901 I have Jane and Emma LM in Windsor where Jane is a caretaker for a property there.
BUT I cannot find any trace of Charles H snr or jnr, Edith Sarah, Harry G, John F or Alfred S
Can anyone help find them?
In 1911 Edith Sarah reappears - married to Henry Ryan and living in Lambeth. Harry G is living with them.
Charles H Snr is living in Windsor with John F, Alfred, and a granddaughter Kathleen Annie (born 1899 in Lambeth - I am thinking most likely illigitimate daughter of Edith Sarah...)
But now I can find no trace of Jane, and no death records for a Jane Tedder between 1901 and 1911 - can anyone help with that?
Such a strange marriage - it seems they actually never lived together in the same place....
Anyway, if anyone can help with Charles H Snr and children in 1901 and/or Jane in 1911 or her death, would be much appreciated
Thanks in advance
Suitcase
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The Times, Friday, Apr 29, 1887; pg. 9; Issue 32059; col F
"...Yesterday at the Windsor Petty Sessions, Jane Tedder was again charged with setting fire to Clewer-cottage Spital, the residence of Miss Augusta Bulkeley; and Charles Tedder, her husband, lately a police-constable, and Martha Thorn, her mother, were charged with being accessories before and after the fact. There were other charges of stealing property of the value of £60. Tedder, who was a constable in the Windsor police force, was put in the house as a caretaker by Miss Bulkeley, and on the morning of the 15th the house was found by Police-constable Collins to be on fire. With great difficulty he got admission and with Mrs Tedder's assistance put out the fire. Tedder was himself away at the time, seeking for work. In the course of the day Miss Bulkeley's agents went to the house, and found a fire smouldering in the smoking-room, and that attempts had been made to set fire to the house in four different places. There were also articles missing which it would take £100 to replace. The prisoners were committed for trial."
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hello
You must have this.
1901 RG13/90 folio 127 page 32St George Hanover Square London
Chelsea Barracks
George M Tedder age 19 born Windsor
Transcribed Seddon Jane must have been listed at both addresses!
1901 RG13/1169 folio 30 page 64 Clewer New Windsor Berkshire
Charles H Teddar age 43 born New Windsor
Jane S wife age 40 New Windsor
Martha Thorn Mother in Law age 71 widow New Windsor
Harry son age 8 New Windsor
John son age 3 New Windsor
Alfred son age 1 New Windsor
Kathleen Teddar grandaughter age 1 Clapham London
Pam
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Edith Sarah Tedder married Harold Henry Ryan June quarter 1910 Wandsworth Greater London/London/Surrey 1d 1025
To see whose child Kathleen is.
Kathleen Annie Tedder born 1899 dec quarter
Lambeth Greater London/London/Surrey 1d 395
Pam
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Fantastic! Thank you both so much....I love the Times article - although rather surprising to find one great grandmother is an arsonist and petty criminal!
The 1901 census I had for George M but had simply not been able to find the others - thought I'd tried every variation of Tedder...but there you go
Interesting about Martha - she was def Simmonds when Jane was born and no father given, must have married Mr Thorn later on - I'll look into it
Thanks again to you both...
Suitcase
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Hi
I cant see a marriage for Martha but she is here in 1891
1891 Cencus-Clewer
RG12/1012/28/2
6 Goswell Place
George Thorn 68 b Clewer Carman Contractor
Martha " 60 wife b " Dressmaker
Eva M Tayler 3 grandaughter b Reading
Jane
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George Thorn died in Windsor in 1896.
Jane
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Thanks Jane.
I found what I am assuming is the marriage on FreeBMD - Martha Simmonds and George Thorn Sep 1881 in Kensington
And Martha's death in Lambeth in Dec 1915 aged 85
So looks like it's all coming together. I'm fascinated by the Times article and will see if I can find out more about Jane's crimes and where she ended up after the trial...I think prison records are at Kew -will need to make a trip there to have a look
Thanks again to all for your assistance,
Suitcase
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there was another daughter of Jane Tedder ,her name was Eva Maude Tedder born 1888 in reading ,the only one not born in Windsor
She is living with Grandparents martha and George in 1891 age 3 but she is listed as Eva M Tayler not sure if this is typing error
In 1901 she is a servant with sister Edith and in 1910 she married George Edawrd Deane
I will get birth cert to make sure ,its odd she was born in reading and the others all in windsor although later she puts her birth as windsor
I think jane is listed in the 1911 census as mrs teddes cook in windsor
I have the birthday book of Eva Maud Tedder in which she has put Gran died in 1915 this would have been Martha Thorn i think
she has put mother died 1949 aged 81 although it looks like she was 89
Jane S Tedder
Death Registration Month/Year: 1949
Age at death (estimated): 89
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 434
hope this helps
anna
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me again
have just found that Jane Sarah Tedder was sentenced to 6 years imprisonment in 1887
Name: Jane Sarah Tedder
Date of Trial: 28 Jun 1887
Trial Year: 1887
Location of Trial: Berkshire, England
Eva Maud was born october 1887 in reading when Jane was in prison and the looked after by her grandparents
,martha was aquitted as was her father charles tedder
how sad
anna
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Thanks for posting Anna
Since my original post I'd actually got in touch (via Ancestry) with a cousin who descends from Harry Tedder (I'm descended from Emma Louise Martha) and she had helped with some of this info, including the birth cert and thus the revelation that Eva was born in prison. It is indeed very sad...
Are you also related?
Suitcase
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PS can't seem to find Jane as mrs teddes cook in Windsor in 1911 census - do you have reference no or something for this?
thanks!
Suitcase
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hi
I am helping a friend research her family tree ,her Grandmother was Eva Maud
it took me ages to find her family but thanks to the birthday book that my friend has just discovered i found her family
I will have to get in touch with Ancestry and see if i can get a copy of the certificate from Harrys Ancestor
I am not sure if its our Jane but have pasted the 1911 census below
Anna
1911 Census Household Transcript
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Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: Report error View Original Page
HUDSON, MRS FRANCESCA MOTHER WIDOW F 55 NONE PRIVATE MEANS LONDON
HUDSON, VIOLET DAUGHTER F 13 NONE PRIVATE MEANS LONDON
HUDSON, JOCELYN SON SINGLE M 21 NONE PRIVATE MEANS LONDON
MRS TEDDES, SERVANT MARRIED F 50 COOK DOMESTIC DEDWORTH WINDSOR
DEVERELL, HARRIET SERVANT SINGLE F 26 PARLORMAID DOMESTIC SWINDON WILTS
PINCHES, JANE SERVANT SINGLE F 35 HOUSEMAID DOMESTIC LEOMINSTER HEREFORD
MRS TEDDES (RG14PN6710 RG78PN334 RD125 SD2 ED5 SN200)
Address KINGS COT KINGS ROAD WINDSOR BERKSHIRE County Berkshire
District Windsor Subdistrict Windsor
Enumeration District 5 Parish New Windsor
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anna - got your message via ancestry, will reply to your email address tomorrow....happy to share pics and info with you/your friend :-)
Suitcase
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anna - have emailed you :)
meantime just to say am sure this must be 'our' Jane as dates are right and born Dedworth is too much of a co-incidence for there to be another Jane Tedder born there....thanks for this, I had been really struggling to find her in 1911!
Suitcase
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I'm not sure if this is still active, I have just found this website, I have been trying to find out about the tedder side of my family, from the information I have found, and read it would appear I could be in the right place. My great grandfather was Charles tedder jnr. After leaving bath he moved to Wales to work on a farm. I have some other information, but not sure if this is still active
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Hi there,
I still get notifications when something pops up on here!
So are you descended from Charles Henry b1882? I have a fair bit of info on this line if so. Are you on Ancestry? If so let me know user name and we can link up there - my tree is all on there. Or via email if easier - message me on here with your email address
All the best
suitcase
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I am descended from Charles Henry b 1882. He was my Great grandfather I have only recently started looking for things and am not on ancsestry as yet. Everyone from him down to the present day are my immediate family. I am looking forward to finding out more, thank you for posting so quickly, I thought it may take a great deal longer.
Firemouth
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Charles's sister Emma Louise Martha Tedder was my great grandmother
You'll know I expect that Charles married Jane Davies on 13 Nov 1909 in Llandygwydd, Cardiganshire, Wales, United Kingdom (FreeBMD Cardigan, Vol 11b, p3 - FreeBMD is a great source of birth/marriage/death records if you haven't discovered it already)
They had 5 children:
Hannah Jane or Nana Tedder 1910–1995
Sidmore (Sydmor)Charles Tedder 1912–2000
Harry George Tedder 1913–1994
Evan D (Danny) Tedder 1915–1976
Sarah Emma (Sally Tedder) 1919–1946
Am assuming one of the above is your grandmother/grandfather?
Happy to share what I have with you if you want to message me your email address
all the best
Suitcase
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just seen your message - will reply there :-)
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I grew up knowing all of their children as my Great aunt and uncles except for
Sally who was my Grandmother Auntie Nanna never married
Uncle Sid had two Children
Uncle George married but had no children
Uncle Danny married and had Two children
Sally Married Tyssul Davies they had two children before her death, my father born 1939 and My Aunt 1941
Charles and Jane and Sally and Tyssul are all buried in Llandygwydd near Cardigan in West Wales