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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: Mindy100 on Saturday 14 February 09 16:20 GMT (UK)
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My grandfather John Power[1] was born on 23 April 1883 and lived at Bay View Cottage, Priests Road, Tramore. His father (also called John Power [2]) was born approx 1853/1855 and his mother Anne Power (nee Bergan) was born about 1860. I have a copy of the 1901 Census of the household - it is Building 16, Priests Road, Tramore. The Census House & Building Return has no entry in the column 'Name of landowner'. Could this be because John Power owned the house, or may they be another reason?
From John[2] and Anne's marriage certificate in 1879 I know that John[2]'s father was also called John Power[3] - not very original I know! However locating John[3] is not going to be easy (as John[2] was born before civil registration of catholics and I understand the Tramore RC baptismal records are missing between Nov 1831 and Jan 1857). So my best chance of locating John[3] is via the Griffiths Valuation - and this is where I need assistance.
The Griffiths Valuation for Priests Road, Tramore has a John Power as Immediate Lessor for Building 2 & 3 and as Occupier of Building 4. Are any of these three buildings in the Griffiths Valuation consistent with the current location of Bay View Cottage? Would it please be possible for someone with local Tramore knowledge to look at the Griffiths Valuation map in Tramore Library to identify buildings 2, 3 & 4 and then relate it to the current buildings in Priests Road, for me.
From this excellent Rootschat I also understand that Tramore Library has a book 'Tramore of Long Ago' by Andy Taylor which records residents of Tramore at the end of the 19th century - John Power in the Priests Road, Tramore would be of great interest to me if recorded in this book, particularly if his home is consistent with the buildings Nos 2, 3 or 4 on the Griffiths Valuation map and/or the current Bay View Cottage.
Sorry this has been so long but I thought it best to fully explain the links that I am seeking. Thank you in advance to anyone who may be able to assist.
Kind regards.
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John Power and a Michael Power are listed as living in Priests Road in 1894, but no house number is given. Tramore Library has a copy of gravestone inscriptions for the Catholic Church in Tramore, perhaps some of the Power family are buried there.
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Vasaborg - Many thanks
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Hi Mindy100
I would be interested in finding out a little more about what you know about the Power family from Priest's Road in Tramore, as my father ( John Power- again original ha) said that he had a realtion ( an great uncle I think ) called Micheal Power from Priest's Road who is buried in the graveyard in Tramore church. I know very little about my familys' history.
Thanks.
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Yes - I think your side of the Power family has lead me on many a wild-goose chase! ;)
I think your Power family is no relation to mine. Michael erected the headstone in the Holy Cross Church cemetery - I have details of the inscription if you don't have it. Michael died 27 May 1923. His wife was Johanna d. 28 Nov 1911. Two of his daughters are also recorded Bridget d. 21 Oct 1933 and Mary d. 15th April 1937.
The inscription appears to show Michael's father was John Power d. 2 Mar 1840 aged 45 and his mother Anne d. 14 Sept 1857.
John's mother was Johanna Power (nee O'Brien) d. 17 June 1886 aged 95. She was recorded on the death record as a farmer's widow and Michael was the informant.
Amazingly the family are one of the very few recorded on the 1851 census extract. It records Johanna aged 50 Widow & Mother married in 1823; Michael aged 23; Andrew, aged 17 and Mary aged 16, living in Priest Rd
She is also in the Griffiths Valuation of approx 1850's, and the occupier of house and land leased by Mrs Sophia Talbot (No6) but appears to own the houses either side. There is also Joanna Power who owns most of the houses in St Ledger Place nearby - could it be the same?
Michael is recorded living in Priest Rd in a directory of 1894 and 1909/10 (occupation as farmer).
Hopefully this is a good starting point.
If you find anything on my side of the family in your search please drop me a line.
regards
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Hi Mindy100
Thanks a million for all your information, i have only started researching my family. It is very hard as you know yourself, there are so many with the same name ha. If I find anything I will let you know.
Thanks agian
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Hi,
What information do you have on the Michael Power who erected the headstone in the Holy Cross cemetery? Do you have details of the inscription?
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Yes - I think your side of the Power family has lead me on many a wild-goose chase! ;)
I think your Power family is no relation to mine. Michael erected the headstone in the Holy Cross Church cemetery - I have details of the inscription if you don't have it. Michael died 27 May 1923. His wife was Johanna d. 28 Nov 1911. Two of his daughters are also recorded Bridget d. 21 Oct 1933 and Mary d. 15th April 1937.
The inscription appears to show Michael's father was John Power d. 2 Mar 1840 aged 45 and his mother Anne d. 14 Sept 1857.
John's mother was Johanna Power (nee O'Brien) d. 17 June 1886 aged 95. She was recorded on the death record as a farmer's widow and Michael was the informant.
Amazingly the family are one of the very few recorded on the 1851 census extract. It records Johanna aged 50 Widow & Mother married in 1823; Michael aged 23; Andrew, aged 17 and Mary aged 16, living in Priest Rd
She is also in the Griffiths Valuation of approx 1850's, and the occupier of house and land leased by Mrs Sophia Talbot (No6) but appears to own the houses either side. There is also Joanna Power who owns most of the houses in St Ledger Place nearby - could it be the same?
Michael is recorded living in Priest Rd in a directory of 1894 and 1909/10 (occupation as farmer).
Hopefully this is a good starting point.
If you find anything on my side of the family in your search please drop me a line.
regards
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Inscription as follows;
Erected by Michael Power, Priest's Road, Tramore, in memory of his father John Power who died March 2nd 1840 aged 45 years and Anne Power died Sep. 14th 1857. His mother Johanna nee O'Brien died June 17th 1886. His wife Johanna died Nov. 28th 1911. The above M.Power died May 27th 1923 & his daughters Bridget died Oct. 12th 1933, Mary died Apr. 15th 1937. R.I.P.
Number 118 Section B Row 10
Cross-topped headstone
Graveyard: Old Cemetery, Holy Cross Church, Tramore
Source: Memorials of the dead in the old cemetery church of the Holy Cross, Tramore: Andy Taylor; 1994.
Regards
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I have a photograph of Michael Power that is inscribed; Priest road, born 29 Sept 1827. It was in my mother's house in Tramore. I also have a photo of the grave of Willie Power who died near Arras, France in 1917.
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I found a Census Search Extract from the 1851 census for John Power of Bayview Cottage, Priest road, Tramore. His Parents were John Power and Kate Lyons. His siblings were Mary, Maurice, Bridget and Margaret. John doesn't show up so he may not have been born before 1851.
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Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. This sounds really exciting (for me!)
Please can you give me a bit more information about the 1851 extract? - Is it just for the Tramore area? Where could I locate it?
Please could I also clarify some of the details of your posting? - I note you record that John and Kate were the parents and Mary, Maurice, Bridget and Margret were the children on the 1891 census - but please can you confirm the link to their son John? - was he on a later census extract or other linking document (if he was not onthe 1851 census)?
Sorry for all the questions.
Kind regards
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It's on the IGP site, It seems to be down, but here's the reference:
PRIEST'S RD.
9 POWER Michael 23
Andrew 17 brother
Mary 16 sister
Johanna 50 widow, mother m. 1823
I'll need to think about how I worked out the rest. How are you connected? Are you from Tramore?
Regards,
Ivan.
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Ivan
Many thanks. I have got the details of Johanna Power (widow) and her family from Priests Road from the 1851 extract. These Powers are no relation.
If I was reading things correctly you were possibly suggesting other Power's in the Priests Road in 1851 too? - these may be my relations.
My Grandfather (John Power) was born in Bay View Cottage, Priests Road Tramore and lived his childhood there. His father (John Power) also lived his married life there with his wife Anne - he was born about 1850. His father was also called John Power - I do not know the name of his mother. There was a John Power living very close to where Bay View Cottage is now at the time of the Griffiths valuation so this might be him?
Kind regards
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Sorry I'm getting my wires crossed. The Census Search Extract for John is in The National Archives on Microfilm. I didn't photocopy it. I'll root in my notes for more detail.
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The census search forms or Green Forms were completed by the Public Records Office from information supplied by applicants for the Old Age Pension (which was introduced in 1908) seeking evidence of their age. A person had to be 70 years of age for the pension. They are for the whole country, but there's not that many of them.
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The Search Extract 1851, lists the address as Bay View Cottage, Priest's Road. Occupants; John power and Kate Power nee Lyons, Children; Mary, Maurice, Bridget and Margaret. There was no John. I presumed that your great grandfather hadn't been born yet. I don't have any later connections. I will look in my notes tomorrow and see if I can find their ages.
Sorry for the confusion.
Ivan.
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Ivan
Wow! This looks a real possibility.
Any further info regarding siblings ages/dates or any occupations might enable me to fix things.
Thank you so much!
Kind regards
Richard
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Hi Richard,
It looks like a certainty to me. You struck lucky.
Ivan
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As far as I can Remember, it was John Power who applied for the pension in 1916 and the search came back 'not found'. That's the connection.
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OK - so he was justifying his age by refrerring back to the 1850 census and his family at that time?
Ivan - Is this information in London/Kew or in Dublin?
regards
Richard
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In the National Archives, Bishop's street Dublin 2.
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Ivan
Thanks to your kind support I have located the same record on the website www.pensear.org
This has certainly opened up new information for my research.
Thanks once again.
regards
Richard
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Your welcome, Richard, Thanks for the link.