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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Vicwinann on Friday 13 February 09 01:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
This is really for Newburychap who I think is interested in Newbury pubs.
In 1815 (Toomers census) I have an entry for the George and Dragon, Browns Yard, west side of Northbrook St Newbury
The landlord was John Moulding who was there with wife Hester nee Weston, dau Harriet, son Leander, (my very distant link) grandson George, 3 lodgers and 2 un-named billeted solders.
John had 12 children all told that I have found
His son, William Henry, moved to Hungerford and after his death, his widow, Harriet nee Wall ran a pub there in Charnham St. In 1881 dau Harriet Frampton nee Moulding is still living in Charnham St.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Hi vicwniann,
Am I correct in thinking your post if for a particular person on RC?
Is so, why not send him a PM? That way you'll be sure he see it.
charlotte
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I find PMs often limit the spread of knowledge around RootsChat - posting on a board means the information is picked up in search engines - and seen by many folks. I would hope anyone interested in Newbury pubs will pick up on the thread title :)
Where living folks and/or private family details are concerned - of course PMs are the best method of passing such information. They can also be used to bring a particular post to someone's attention without limiting the benefit of others seeing the information
Trish
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Hi,
Extremely well put, Trish. Private messages are fine but open messages may help someone else. As a regular on these boards I am sure Newburychap will see my message, as will anyone else interested in Newbury pubs or the Moulding family.
Vicwinann
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Hi Vicwinann, :) :)
I also have a link to Leander Moulding (1801) son of John & Ester Moulding. I am of the belief that Leander and his wife Charlotte made their way to America. I have been unable to confirm this, would you have any further information.
Leander & Charlotte's daughter Sophia married a William Franklin and emigrated to Australia, where we have remained.
Would love to hear from you.
Cheers
Jayne ;D
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In 1815 (Toomers census) I have an entry for the George and Dragon, Browns Yard, west side of Northbrook St Newbury
The landlord was John Moulding who was there with wife Hester nee Weston, dau Harriet, son Leander, (my very distant link) grandson George, 3 lodgers and 2 un-named billeted solders.
John had 12 children all told that I have found
His son, William Henry, moved to Hungerford and after his death, his widow, Harriet nee Wall ran a pub there in Charnham St. In 1881 dau Harriet Frampton nee Moulding is still living in Charnham St.
Thanks for that - particularly nice to get pre-1837 info.
The George & Dragon was on Northbrook St - the last building in Newbury on the west side of the street until Newbury took over Speenhamland in 1878. Demolished in the 1930s because it stuck out into the street and was in the way of efficient traffic flow. Rebuilt out of the way of the traffic it lasted until the 1950s when it was turned into a bank. Seen a few other uses since, now its a Thai restaurant.
The 1815 reference is the only one I have that is definitely John Moulding- but a Moulding appears as a victualler in Newbury in the Universal Directory of 1794, quite possibly the same chap. By 1817 there is another landlord at the George & Dragon. Do you have a death date for John?
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Hello Jayne and Newburychap,
First, yes, Newburychap, I have a burial of John Moulding 15 Oct 1819 St Nicolas when he was said to be "of Speenhamland". His wife Esther was buried 12 May 1824 same place "of Newbury".
Jayne, my distant link is with the Franklins and possibly Leander's wife who I am told was Charlotte Durbidge. I suspected that Leander had emigrated somewhere because I could not find him after 1851. Even on that census, although he says "married", I couldn't find his wife for her age and birthplace. I will send you a PM with my email address.
Double whammy!
Yours
Vicwinann
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Another thankyou for posting rather than just PMing as John Moulding was my 6xgreat grandfather thru his son William Henry. In fact, you have pretty much listed my tree as Harriet Frampton, nee Moulding was my 4x great grandmother!
Thanks for the info!
Jo
PS Does anyone have any idea where Esther Weston was born or who her parents were?
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Hello,
I can't really help as to place but Esther was age 66 at her burial in 1824. The 1815 Toomers census has her aged 56 which gives a rough birthdate of 1759.
A submitted, as against parish collected, IGI has her born Jan 1763 but no other details. I would take the latter with a pinch of salt as the submitter has her marr to John Moulding born 1861. Presumably a typo.
Yours
Vicwinann
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In relation to Esther Weston.
LDS has an ancestral file for Esther.
Advising the following:
Birth - abt 1765 in Newbury, Berkshire, England
Marriage to John Moulding: 2 Jul 1779 Newbury, Berkshire, England
Death - 12 May 1821/1824
All the kids are mentioned also.
Hope this helps.
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Hi again,
As the Mormon Church quite rightly says about Ancestral Files,
"The information has not been verified against any official records. Since the information in Ancestral File is contributed, it is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy."
You might be able to make contact with the submitter of this file to find where he got his info, but the bottom line is that it has to be checked with original records if you want to be absolutely sure.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Thanks for that, I've seen the IGI info and really need to get off my backside and go to the RO as I only live 1/2 an hour away by car! Work is such an annoying obstacle to research!
Jo
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Just thought I'd pop this reply in to clear up any confusion and to assist with our research into the Moulding surname.
Esther/Hester Weston/Wesson is my 4xGt.Grandmother Baptised St.Nicolas Newbury 25/Dec/1758, this ties in with her age on the burial entry as 66yrs 12/May/1824, and also ties in with her stating that she is 56 yrs on 27/May/1815 in Joseph Toomers Census(1yr older than John Moulding her husband). She was the daughter of Benjamin Weston and Hannah(ann) Rodgers a widow on their PR marriage entry on the 11/Nov/1755 at St.Nicolas, Newbury, .........possibly been previously married to Richard Rogers on 20/Oct/1753 Chieveley, Berks as Ann Baal.
John Moulden was baptised 23/Jan/1761 St.Nicolas, Newbury son of William and Mary, this would make him 54 on the day that Joseph Toomer carried out his census but his age is actually recorded as 55yrs...probably to make him look closer to his wifes age...?????.
William Moulding married Mary Shaw at St.Nicolas, Newbury on 08/Nov/1757, and it states on the PR marriage entry that he was a sojourner in this parish, and that she was OTP.
Taking into consideration that Barley was an important trading product at this time in Newbury coupled with the fact that the River Kennet was made more navigable between Newbury and Reading and hence London by the early 1720's, then we can only speculate that our William Moulding was probably a barley trader from either Bradfield or East Lockinge, the later being renowned for especially good barley.
I've had some time at WBRO to research the Wm Molden bapt.09/Mar/1734 son of Francis Molden and Sarah Cooper, but as William and Mary don't name any of their sons Francis it just doesn't seem right, but William and Mary did have 3 sons named William bapt. 01/June/1758, 13/July/1759 and 1774 either after himself or after his father if he is the Wm. Moulden from East Lockinge bapt.14/Jan/1732.
If anyone gets a chance could they please follow up on this William to see if he married and settled in East Lockinge, or if he was burried there.
Happy hunting,
Andy
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for leaving your post, it is great to hear that most of what I have is correct and to correct the errors. Researching from overseas is not ideal, but the hunting is so addicitive I keep digging!
Many thanks
Cheers
Jayne :)
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Hello everyone,
I know this is an old thread but yesterday I came across a baptism in the parish records for St Nicolas Church Newbury 9/7/1813 for a George Leander Moulding parents George and Mary Moulding fathers occ: Private in the 15th Dragoons. Does anyone know if the father George is the same George Moulding born 1781, son of John and Esther Moulding (nee Weston) and if so, who he married?
Added:
Just found George Moulding aged 2 (born 1813) on the 1815 Toomers Census recorded as grandson living with grandparents John and Hester Moulding at the George and Dragon Northbrook Street Newbury so he was the child of their son George who married Mary ? now just trying to find Mary's maiden name and when and where they married
Kind regards,
Chris