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Hello,
I am looking for any information on the Walder family from Cowfold, Sussex.
In particular Sebina/Sabina Walder c1839 and her parents William & Sarah. Also her daughter Alice born c1864. Does anyone have any MI's, baptism or marriage information for this parish at all?
Many thanks
Issy
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Hi
Was daughter Alice illegitimate
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Per freebmd
Marriages September qtr 1864
Walder Sabrina to Edward Slater Thakeham 2b 453
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Yes she was! Apparently her mother was 'got upon' in a field (as my Gran put it) by the local Lord of the Manor. She was born in Chichester but I cannot find any birth record for her. It's possible there may not have been one which is why I wondered if there was any baptism record. She was brought up by her stepfather, Edward Slater, as a Slater until she is is shown on a later census as a Walder. When she married she put her name as Alice Sophia Hurst Walder and her father as Henry Hurst, farmer. So not sure what is what really!
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Hi
baptism of Sabrina Walder to William and Sarah on 24 November 1839 at Cowfold. William was a labourer.
Kerry
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Siblings and children of William and Sarah all baptised at Cowfold
William, 24 August 1844, father - Beer shop keeper
Walter, 31 January 1847, father - Farmer
Warden 16 September 1849, father - Farmer
Edwin, 1 April 1855, father - Farmer
Mary, 23 August 1857, Father - Farmer
Ruth, 17 June 1860
Kerry
PS This is all from transcriptions of Cowfold PRs
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Just wondering if this is William's baptism
Cowfold - 29 November 1812
William - Thomas and Mary Walder
Kerry
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Possible brother of William?
Thomas baptised at Cowfold - 1 December 1811 to Thomas and Mary Walder
Kerry
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Also foudn the baptism for Frances
Frances baptised 28 November 1841 to William and Sarah Walden, Labourer
This fits in with the family on the 1861 census at Walberton, RG9 619 25 11 although I can't find Whanmer? born 1853 yet??
Kerry
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I'm not having any luck finding the marriage of William and Sarah but ordering one of the birth certificates for one of the children will give you Sarah's maiden name which should help track down the marriage.
Kerry
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This could be a complete guess but on the Sussex Marriage Index there is a marriage:
William Walder, bach, botp, by Banns to Sarah Shaw spinster on 17 September 1834 at Brighton.
I found the 1841 census in Cowfold for William and Sarah H0107 1098 11/33 4
William, 25 sheep shearer
Sarah, 25
Sarah, 4
Sabina 1
and a couple of doors away there is a Shaw family!
Kerry
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Many thanks for all those Kerry! Very helpful as i didn't have those dates.
William Walder did marry a Sarah Shaw and that matches what I have too.
I was hoping though maybe to find something on Alice, Sebina's daughter - is there no baptism for her there? Maybe she was baptised in Chichester?
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Hi
The family don't seem to be in Cowfold in the 1860s so unlikely she was baptised there. I double checked and there is no baptism. Have you tried the a2a website to see if there is a bastardy bond?
Kerry
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There is a submitted record on familysearch.org for Alice Walder about 1864 to Edward Slater and Selina Walder at West Chiltington. I'm trying desperately to work out if that is in the Thakeham where they married, area
Kerry
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West Chiltington and Thakeham are neighbouring parishes according to Genuki.com. However they are not that near to Chichester at all. I hope you don't mind me asking, what is the evidence that you have that Alice was born in Chichester?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
Thats funny I have not come across that record on LDS before. I had searched for Alice Walder & Slater! However even though Edward Slater is mentioned as the father this still doesnt follow as she is named as a Walder and in the census records she is first a his daughter, a Slater (1871) then his step daughter, a Walder (1881)! The only consistent thing is that her birthplace is stated on all census records as being Chichester.
Thanks for your help.
Regards
Issy
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Hi issywissy
I imagine that Edward married Sabrina/Sabine/Selina soon after Alice was born and kindly took her on as his own child, even those days it wasn't that uncomon, I have a couple in my tree. I wonder then if when Alice was older Sabina told her who her real father was, and he may well have been Henry Hurst. Maybe she had fallen out with Edward and decided to use Henry's name on her marriage certificate.
I've just realised this is all in West Sussex, I will try the West Sussex online database and see if anything appears.
Kerry
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Actually thinking about it, that could explain why there isn't a bastardy bond, because Edward married her. Hmmmmm
Kerry
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Nothing on the West Sussex database http://www.westsussexpast.org.uk/gateway/default.aspx
Well worth a look if you have West Sussex family though.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
thanks again for looking into this for me. You theory is exactly what I had thought. I have tried looking into who the 'Lord of the Manor' could be. Sebina was working as a Domestic servant in Keymer, Chichester in 1861 which is the closest to when Alice was born. I did have a theory that as she was born and brought up in Cowfold the dirty deed may have happened there. Her father was a farmer and the family used to live at Peacocks Hill. Its very likely that he rented land from the nearby landowners whose house happens to be called High Hurst and is just down the road! However from the research I have done apparently the dean and chapter leased this property and I cannot find who was there around this time. However it seems her family had moved to Walberton, Arundel by 1861 and there don't seem to be any landed Hursts there. I think it maybe a wild goose chase to be honest!
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Hi
Have you got the reference for Sabina on the 1861 census, I can't find that one at all. Keymer is nearer to Brighton than Chichester. However Walberton where her family were living is quite close to Chichester.
Kerry
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She is house servant,aged 21, to a Joseph Glazebrook, a Grocer & Draper? at 124 St Johns, Keymer in the Ecclesiastical District of Chichester. However i think she is transcribed as Sabina Walden
Reference is RG9/583 pg 22
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Got her!
Here is Keymer on Genuki, http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SSX/Keymer/index.php
She certainly got around!
Kerry