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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: jillynetter on Thursday 12 February 09 02:11 GMT (UK)
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Any advice on the following please.
I now have my GG Grandfathers death certificate, Thomas Cowen/Cowan Age 70 died Jul 1st 1930,
I've read I can go to Carlisle record office and either a Burial Register or Monumental Inspcription record have details.
what I'd like to find is where he was born, or names of parents or siblings.
would that information have been recorded? I have the information of his wife and children but I can't get further back of his birth, parents etc.
I also wondered if I found a newspaper account or orbituary of his death that may have those details?
From the certificate it sounds like he died outside as the certificate says Railway bridge, South Side of River Eden.
There was no mention of an inquest.
Sorry advice welcomed as I'm not sure where to start.
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What was his wife's name? If you had the marriage certificate, it would give his father's name and occupation.
Jen
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Thanks Jen yes I have those details and they haven't helped, I've had loads of help in trying to find him with his family but everyone drew blank- which is why I thought the death records may give some clue.
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Can you give us his wife's name and any other family names or dates which you think might help. Also the date of his marriage.
We can then search censuses and see what we can come up with. It might be nothing but at least we will have tried! ;)
Jen
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Here's one earlier request http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,234434.0.html
Tom's age given as 34 in 1891, 23 in 1881.
There seem to be a great many COWINGs born around Hexham in that period but few COWAN/COWEN. As he had moved a fair distance from home, it's quite possible that he wasn't born in Hexham itself but in a nearby village.
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Thanks for your posts, I really wanted to know what sort of details the after death documents like obituaries include so I might make sense of all I've found previously. My mistake as my post wasn't clear :)
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I wouldn't expect to find much in the cemetery register-
who
when
where died
plot number
person who conducted service
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Can you give us his wife's name and any other family names or dates which you think might help. Also the date of his marriage.
We can then search censuses and see what we can come up with. It might be nothing but at least we will have tried! ;)
Jen
Poor jillynetter has been round and round in circles trying to sort this one out :( :(
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,246801.msg1353268.html#msg1353268
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,239450.msg1296936.html#msg1296936
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,292401.msg1750344.html#msg1750344
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Geoff that's exactly what I needed to know thankyou, that's the next thing I'm going to find out from that register. At least it will give us an idea where he#s buried and from there the grave stone may have something.
Today my husband visited the library and found an article in the newspaper with brief details about Thomas Cowans' death. It was hardly legible but only the details of who found him and how he died were written, no mention of a family.
At least it's been checked and on to the next record which may give out a clue.
Thanks everyone.
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Hi Jillynetter. Sounds like you've been having a long do with this one!
I'm a bit confused though. Was your husband in Carlisle Library or was this a national paper?
In other words, I'm not sure if it's just other ideas on where to look you need, or if you can't get into Carlisle. Also, do we know it's Carlisle
If you've got a date, the registers for the cemetery are in the library as well as the record office. I think you must have, but otherwise the record office has indexes as well.
If it is the cemetery at Richardson Street, and you get the grave plot number from the register, they have good maps and it's reasonably straight forward to find a plot, if you can get there. Then you can see if there's a stone with other information. The cemetery can also tell you who bought the grave.
I'm not sure if you're local and have that anyway or not. If not, if you get a number I'll go and look. Let me know if there's anything that will help.
Do you have easy access to Carlisle library?
I hope you move on with this. By the way, some events are reported or announced in more than one of those papers in there completely differently, so it's worth checking another.
Sorry, read again and you've given some of this. Emms
Best wishes
Emms
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Thankyou Emms. Unfortunately this GG Grandfather has proved to be very elusive and there have been blocks at every turn.
The latest being that story reported about his death had no mention of family other than a Grandson being the one who identified him, I know who that was, but was hoping to find a brother or sister.
No death notices in the newspapers were found and to top that off the Richardson St. cemetery haven't a record of him either, he lived in Millbourne Street so I did think he'd be there, unless he had a paupers funeral.
I've been fortunate with all other lines in my family tree and my husbands too where certificates usually came up trumps and got back quite well.
Anyway I'll see what the 1911 census brings up and in the meantime I'm letting this one go for a while :)
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Hi
Thanks for the reply - you've definitely had an uphill job!
I hope the 1911 gives you some clues. I wonder how soon it will appear. I keep thuinking L'ii look things up like I have for Lancashire, then I remember I can't.
I hope you get some leads soon.
Best wishes
Emms
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I read on the blog Cumberland and the other English Counties should be online within 2 months, I'm looking forward to seeing it, I've loads to look up so should be saving pennies ready for it, it doesn't sound cheap.
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Hi - No, it definitely isn't cheep! :o
I'm rationing myself. There so many from other counties that I need.
£6.95 gets you 60 credits, but a look at one original costs thirty credits. Transcripts are ten.
I've got one who came up in a military. That's all. Just "Military" on the transcrip, no name. Just the town and just before WW1, it's not obvious what it is, and you have to pay for every page if it's an institution.
Thanks for telling me the latest.
Good luck when it comes.
Emms
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I know this was a while ago but I've just fallen over a w3. carlislehistory.co.uk/cemeteryg.htmd for which the first bit is free and may give clues .
bob
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I went to the library today and found this for you. Unfortunately my scanner printer only prints for this computer so I've typed it out for you (including spelling error) and I justified it and everything but when I copied it to here it just unjustified itself. Still the lines are the same length as in the paper.
If you pm me your address I'll post the copy to you.
TRAGIC FIND AT CARLISLE
MAN’S BODY NEAR THE RAILWAY LINE
A Carlisle railway employe named Thomas
Bowes of Foster’s Court, Caldewgate, while
working on the railway side at the Etterby
Bridge on Tuesday afternoon, noticed the
body of a man lying on the grass on the West
side of the bridge about 25 yards away. He
proceeded to the spot and found that the
man was dead.
He immediately informed the signalman at
The Etterby signal box, who notified the City
Police Office. The body was removed to the
Mortuary, where the deceased was later
identified by a grandson as Thomas Cowan,
aged 72 years, of 46 Milbourne Street. Cowan
had been in ill-health for some considerable
time and under medical treatment.
No inquest was held, as the man had been
suffering from a weak heart for three or four
years.
The Cumberland News, Saturday 5th July 1930
bob