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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: hollywood on Wednesday 11 February 09 12:46 GMT (UK)
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looking for help and any info on a thomas hollywood and his wife margaret mcparland from forkkhill, carrive, armagh trying to trace thomas hollywood father and mother
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what time frame are we looking at.
regards mary.
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hi mary
thomas and margarets children were pat .b.20/02/1861 mary .b.20/9/1862 elizabeth 12/6/1865 john 26/6/1868 and james my grandfather born 13/11/1870 so i think there marraige would have been late 1850 till 1860 realy looking to trace back my family further then thomas and find out who his parents where. but finding it very difficult as so many records are unreadable in parts and all seem to be the ones relating to my family would really be grateful for any help you can give me.
regards
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What religion were the families? Civil registration of Catholic marriages began 1864 (other marriages from 1845) so if they were Catholic there will be no marriage certificate and you'd have to search for church records, of they exist.
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IGI lists the family as Holliwood-
Betty born 12 June 1865 Co. Armagh (not Elizabeth)
John born 26 June 1868 Co. Armagh
James born 12 Nov.1870 Co. Armagh (not 13 Nov.)
Bridget born 29 Oct.1876 Newry district
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was there a pat there as well as the oldest sibling think they were catholic parish records
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If you read my previous post you will see that civil registration of births started in 1864 so before that date there will be no birth certificates. As the family were Catholic and parents probably married before 1864 there will be no marriage certificate (unless they were married in a Registry Office).
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what about parish records would that hold thomas parents names
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Forkill civil parish is in Newry Poor Law Union. LDS catalogue shows they've microfilmed Parochial Registers of Forkhill 1844-1879. The chapel seems to be in Mullaghbrack and the present name of the parish is Mullaghbawn.
Baptisms, 1845-1879; marriages, 1844-1879.
FHL BRITISH Film 926041 Items 1 - 2
There's no way of knowing how much detail are in the church records until you actually look at them.
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this the only holliwood/mcparland marriage i could find.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 28 Oct 1886
Groom Name peter HOLLIWOOD
Bride Name elizabeth MCPARLAND
Church Forkhill Roman Catholic Church
Parish Forkhill
Civil District Newry
County Armagh
regards mary.
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Response re Margaret McPARTLAND and Thomas HOLLYWOOD
Thomas and Margaret were married Forkhill RC Parish 22 Feb 1860.
Marriage sponsors: John HOLLYWOOD and Aley McPARTLAND.
I believe Margaret was deceased before 31 March 1901 (Census night).
Thomas HOLLYWOOD, I think, was deceased before 1921.
I haven't figured out Thomas's parents.
Di
Was this your request Yvonne? Years old now so you're sure to have found what you wanted.
hi mary
thomas and margarets children were pat .b.20/02/1861 mary .b.20/9/1862 elizabeth 12/6/1865 john 26/6/1868 and james my grandfather born 13/11/1870 so i think there marraige would have been late 1850 till 1860 realy looking to trace back my family further then thomas and find out who his parents where. but finding it very difficult as so many records are unreadable in parts and all seem to be the ones relating to my family would really be grateful for any help you can give me.
regards
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Response to "Hollywood" re Thomas HOLLYWOOD & Margaret McPARTLAND.
Ireland, Civil Reg. Indexeds 1845-1958 - FamilySearch - death Jan-March 1917 for a Thomas HOLLYWOOD, Newry registration, Co. Armagh age 77 fits in, age wise, with his marriage
22 Feb 1860.
Margaret, his wife, I think was already deceased by 1901, so hopefully the informant for Thomas's death knew the name of Thomas's father
Di
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hi kerleykins
for your reply managed to obtain the info you have given me the bit im finding difficult is tracing thomas parents and tracing back further i seem to be hitting a brick wall info wise after that.
regards
hollywood
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"Hollywood" re finding Thomas HOLLYWOOD's parents: If you bought that death certificate, Jan-March 1917 aged 77, and it turned out to be his death (which I'd be surprised if it wasn't), you should get on the certificate who his father was. Once you have a father for him I may be able to help you go back further with your HOLLYWOODs. But you need Thomas HOLLYWOOD's father to do this. You need to order the death certificate from General Register Office Northern Ireland.
Di
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re finding Thomas HOLLYWOOD's parents: If you bought that death certificate, Jan-March 1917 aged 77, and it turned out to be his death (which I'd be surprised if it wasn't), you should get on the certificate who his father was.
Irish death certificates do NOT list names of parents. See here for details that will be included on a 1917 death certificate-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html
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Sorry about that misinformation I gave.
Rootsireland hold the Roman Catholic Parish for Forkhill records.
I wonder if they would be worth a try?
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Hi, sorry for jumping on this post. I have recently been researching my family tree and Thomas and Margaret are my great, great, great grandparents. I have not managed to trace any further back than this. I wondered if you found anymore information if you could let me know?
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Julie you are responding to an old post. By clicking on a persons name you can see details about them and kerleykins has not posted on the site since 1 Sep 2012.
R.C. parish baptisms and marriage up to 1880 are all now on Ancestry, Findmypast (free collection), and index the images on NLI. The start date of the parish information remains the same however 1845.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0220
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Roman-Catholic-baptism.html
A Thomas Hollywood being on Griffiths Valuation in Carrive 1864 and died 1907 aged 78
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01syx/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Forkhill/Carriff/1032800/
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Welcome to Rootschat, Julie :)
Margaret, his wife, I think was already deceased by 1901….
Here's her death record-
Margaret Hollywood died 31 August 1900 at Carrive townland. Her son John was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05756/4625925.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-upper/forkill/forkhill/carrive/
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…elizabeth 12/6/1865 john 26/6/1868 and james my grandfather born 13/11/1870…
James - 12 November 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03327/2219737.pdf
John - 26 June 1868
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03433/2260323.pdf
Betty (Elizabeth) - 12 June 1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03577/2318537.pdf
All three born at Carriff
Also Peter Holliwood born 6 January 1873 at Carriff as well
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03215/2178867.pdf