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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Koromo on Wednesday 11 February 09 14:30 GMT (UK)
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The itch is still there! :D
(ref. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,354585.msg2322035.html#msg2322035)
In the Daily Southern Cross of 28 January 1853, pp2-3, there is an article which starts:
"An unusually voluminous Governent Gazette made its
appearance on Tuesday last. We make the following precis
and running commentary on its contents:—"
After statistics like "During the year 1852 there was conveyed to Auckland in 1792 native canoes, navigated by 6235 men and 2542 women, 6863 kits of potatoes; 1427 kits of onions; 1776 kits of maize; 661 kits of kumeras," etc, etc, (extraordinary!) there is the following:
(http://homepage.mac.com/koromo/RootsChat/RichStHill.jpg)
So, I read that as saying that the Gazette has actually published something from the Intestate Estate of Richard St Hill. Wonder why he is singled out? I can't see anything on Archway to do with him. Is there a burial for him anywhere?
Thanks
Koromo
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'morning K
Sorry, but I can't provide relief for your itch....
No mention of a Richard on the Marriage, Burial, or Index5.
Maybe someone else will find some mention of him.
Bren
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Hiya Bren
Thank you for checking out your resources. It's a strange one - it sounds big and serious if the Supreme Court was involved, and yet I have no idea who this particular Richard ST HILL is.
I've learned more about James Henry ST HILL of Wellington. He was born 1807 illegitimately in the West Indies, was a declared bankrupt in England in 1830-32 which always meant a spell in prison in those days, trained as an architect, got to know one of the WAKEFIELDs in London and went out to NZ as one of the NZ Company bigwigs in 1840. With no legal training of any sort he became the Wellington Resident Magistrate for the next 20 years ... the mark of a true Kiwi who can turn his hand to anything!
I shall keep scratching! :D
K.
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Hi Koromo,
The original Gazette is likely to provide the missing detail. I'll what I can find for you.
Regards, riley
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I'll see what I can find for you.
Riley, you really are a Knight(ess) in shining armour riding to the rescue yet again. :D
Thank you.
K.
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Knight
(ess)
LOL
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I'm embarrassed now! :-[ Someone told me you were of the ess variety!
(Whatever, can't see under the armour anyway. 8) )
Thank you for your help, as you have many times over the years.
K.
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Hi Koromo,
These nom-de-plumes are a problem, aren't they? The only assumption I ever make is that the owner must be human (and occasionally I wonder!)
Cheers, riley ♂
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Hi Koromo,
I've just returned from Archives after a fruitless search for Richard ST HILL. I've checked the index of the 1852/53 Government Gazette, both for his name and under Intestate Estates, but no mention of him. I also checked back to 1848 and forward to 1854 without success.
Regards, riley
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Hi All
Itch ... itch. :D
I wonder if the (presumably) Letters of Administration, were processed through a Court outside of NZ ?
(Couldn't see anything for VIC or NSW - didn't look at UK).
The article does say that "the Registrar furnishes an account in .... " ... perhaps he is just conveying the contents of the court documents concerning the estate of Richard St. HILL ? Richard may have been the recipient of say, a land grant in NZ ... or somesuch ? Maybe it was a matter requiring a ruling by the NZ judiciary ... before L of A could be granted ?
[But if the matter was of a truly serious nature, you'd sort of expect that there might be follow-up info in the newspapers about it ?]
Bit of a "curly" one ... huh ? ;D
Lu
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Riley, I'm very grateful for all your efforts to track these ST HILLs. It is odd that the Southern Cross[/l] has mentioned it, and yet it's not listed in the Intestate Estates.
I like Lucy's possible scenario. There was a ST HILL from this family who settled in Tasmania, but not until 20 or so years later. The original Henry ST HILL (of the 1861 will) and his brother had been plantation owners in Trinidad so it could all relate back to family dealings there ... or even some distant remnant of the ancestral home in Devonshire.
Thank you both for the time and and thought you've put into this family.
(I do hope the itch doesn't spread — it'd be hard to scratch under the armour!)
Koromo
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Re St Hills in NZ this may be helpful discovered via the Australian National Library on-line digitised newspapers.
Trove Hobart Mercury, June 1 1918
The death, took place yesterday, after a brief illness, of Colonel Windle Hill St Hill, for a period extending over 40 years one of the most familiar figures in Hobart the deceased was the youngest and last surviving son of Henry St Hill, Bradnach Manor, Devonshire, England, and was born in 1837, at St Omer, in France, and was therefore 81 years of age. He completed his education in England, and came out to New Zealand and served on the staff of General Cameron through the Maori war, afterwards going to India, where he held a commission in the 19th Regiment (Princess of Wales's Own)[/i] In the late seventies he left England for Tasmania, and acted as private secretary to Governor Weld and from June 10,1878, until May 19, 1880, he was Commandant of the local forces, and was a very popular officer.
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Hi collandtyree
Welcome to RootsChat!
Thank you for taking the trouble to post the piece from the Hobart Mercury about Windle ST HILL. Even though I have only the most tenuous link (by marriage of a 3rd cousin) to the St HILLs, their history has always fascinated me.
Do you have St HILL connections?
:)
Koromo
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Hobart born Charlotte Mills, my mother's aunt, married Charles St Clair Beford; their daughter Aiudrey married William St Hill in Hobart.
From TROVE - 1908 The engagement is announced of Mr .
Loudon St. Hill, fourth son of Colonel St. Hill, to Misa Irene M. Simcox,
youngest daughter of the Rev. F. E.Tolling-Simcox, of ' Porangahan,
Hawke's Bay, New Zealand.
Between the Wars, in Tasmania and Victoria,Loudon St Hill of a later generation became well known as an artist and theatrical designer; after WW 2 in London.
From TROVE - Hobart Mercury Wednesday 3 March 1937 - The engagement is announced of Audrey Jessica, only daughter of Mr and Mrs. C. S. Belford, The Continental, Macquarie St., Hobart, and William! eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. R. L. St. Hill, Awatea, 4 Proctors Rd., Hobart!
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The Trove website is wonderful and I've found out quite a lot about the Tasmanian St HILLs.
There is a photo of Windle on a couple of Ancestry family trees and the National Library of New Zealand has a different photo of him along with other officers of the 65th Regiment:
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1111887&dps_custom_att_1=tapuhi (http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1111887&dps_custom_att_1=tapuhi)
If you download the photo (by clicking on the download icon, next to the printer icon) you should get a high-resolution version.
(If the above link doesn't work, try the View archived copy online link at the bottom of this page:
http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/NAV/GLOBAL/OPHDR/1/1251321 (http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/NAV/GLOBAL/OPHDR/1/1251321))
Cheers
Koromo
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Anyone interested in the St Hill's still out there?
I have recently come across Richard Augustus St Hill (the connection is through his wife, Mary Elizabeth Hope, daughter of the Rev. William Johnson Hope). They married in Moreton Bay Brisbane in 1857, two years after the good reverend died. I don't think he would have been too happy with his daughter's spouse - in July 1859 a warrant was issued for his arrest - he had embezzled 1000 pounds from his employers, the Bank of New South Wales in Brisbane. The warrant described him as a native of the West Indies, one third removed from white, about 27 years of age, the son of a NZ J.P. It seems he was apprehended, brought to trial and discharged on a technicality. There was also another charge brought against him for an unpaid debt in May 1860 and he was declared bankrupt in July 1860. And then I lose him until a RAStH appears in Tasmania in 1919.
Mary Elizabeth died in Victoria in 1902 but Richard eludes me.
From my reading through this old forum posting and other hunts, it would seem this Richard is the son of James Henry St Hill, though there is no mention of him in JH's application for passage to NZ. Did he return to NZ after his brush with the law in Australia? Is he the St Hill at school in the English 1841 census (haven't found that one yet, only a mention of it on a St Hill thread)? Is he the Richard Augustus St Hill, gardener, on the Tasmanian Electoral Roll of 1919? That would see him weeding away aged 82.
For those of you out there who like to follow interesting connections and who may not have made this one - Mary Elizabeth Hope was the 1st cousin once removed of Mary Reiby - the plump little lady on the Australian $20 note.
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Hi keyless
Ah, Richard Augustus St HILL. I've never satisfactorily placed him in the antipodean St HILL family.
... it would seem this Richard is the son of James Henry St Hill
From your post, I am supposing that Richard would have been born about 1832 in the West Indies as a "one third removed from white" child. At that time, James Henry St HILL was a declared bankrupt, working as an architect in London. He married Anne ROBINSON in London in 1837 and to my knowledge had no children. However, the St HILLs were no strangers to illegitimacy and Richard could well have been James' son from before his marriage — James himself was illegitimate!
Did he return to NZ after his brush with the law in Australia?
From the Timaru Herald (NZ) 11 June 1864:
Richard St Hill was placed at the bar charged with forgery and uttering. The prisoner pleaded guilty, and called Alfred Osborn as to character, who deposed that he had known prisoner twelve months and had always found him steady and of good character.
His Honor said he should take into consideration the character given to the prisoner, and would sentence him to twelve months imprisonment in Lyttleton gaol with hard labor, to be computed from 1st June instant.
Is he the St Hill at school in the English 1841 census ...
Henry W[oodford] St HILL, son of Henry Charles St HILL (1783-1861), is at school in London in 1841 aged 13. I can't see any other St HILLs at school then.
You have caught me at just as we are about to have a visitor in the house for a few days so I won't be able to devote much time to going through all my notes, etc. Another St HILL researcher has your Richard Augustus as a son of Richard Augustus of St Vincent (as below). Unfortunately the name Richard (and Augustus less so) is often used by the St HILLs and their SAINTHILL ancestors from Devon so it's not that easy to be sure of who belongs to whom!
Koromo
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They married in Moreton Bay Brisbane in 1857, two years after the good reverend died.
A thought — an 1857 Queensland marriage certificate should show the parents' names. Mind you, I guess the information is only as good as the informant wanted it to be!
Koromo
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Hello again!
Still chasing the St Hills too (off and on :)
Richard Augustus St Hill of St Vincent had a son Richard Augustus St Hill in also in St Vincent in the 1830's. His mother was Amaryllis Collymore who I think was coloured or mulatto.
Charles Henry St Hill may well have been his grandfather as all the other st Hills born in St Vincent at that time were children of Charles's. Charles Henry ended up in New Zealand, and I think he might have been a JP???
It would be nice to tie that branch of the family in!
Hope you are well Koromo x
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... and I think he might have been a JP???
Gidday tartanpixie
As far as I know, Henry Charles St HILL (1783-1861) didn't hold any particular post in NZ — it was his eldest (illegitimate) son James Henry who was a JP and Resident Magistrate for Wellington.
I also still keep an eye out for any new St HILL information that might come to light. Yes, it would be really good to confirm Richard's branch of the family once and for all, and Lawrence's lot from South Africa/Australia too.
All the best to you and yours.
K.
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From TROVE - Hobart Mercury Wednesday 3 March 1937 - The engagement is announced of Audrey Jessica, only daughter of Mr and Mrs. C. S. Belford, The Continental, Macquarie St., Hobart, and William! eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. R. L. St. Hill, Awatea, 4 Proctors Rd., Hobart!
I believe R. L. ST HILL is actually Reginald Leslie ST HILL who had several children including Elizabeth (Beth) who married Trevor GORRINGE and Kathleen who married Alan BIDENCOPE. All of Tasmania. I have the initials E. O. ? for the wife of Reginald Leslie ST HILL but have not yet discovered her full name or maiden name.
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Hi there. I'm interested in Katharine St. Hill, born NZ, I believe, and practising palmistry in the UK for many years from about 1880. I believe St Hill was her married name as she published sometimes under Mrs Ashton St Hill, and says that she was daughter of a doctor. Grateful for any tips and links!
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Hi aliBundy ... welcome to RootsChat. :)
Katharine Harriette RICHARDSON was married to Ashton ST. HILL at Church of St. Peter, Cranley Gardens, Kensington, London on 24 April 1884. He was the son of Henry ST HILL (deceased) and she, the daughter of Ralph RICHARDSON, M.D. Witnesses to the marriage were Ralph RICHARDSON, Gilbert RICHARDSON and Octavia RICHARDSON.
It does appear though, from later reports in newspapers and other documents, that there was no issue of the union of Katharine and Ashton ST. HILL.
The 1881 UK census - Somerset > Whatley - shows that Katharine RICHARDSON aged 25 - no occupation given - was living with her widowed father Ralph (68 years) - a Justice of the Peace and Physician (M.D. - Edinburgh), and two sisters, Joan M. and Octavia C. (+ a number of servants).
It records also that Katharine was born in New Zealand.
Can you expand please on what type of information you are wanting for Katharine (seeing as she apparently left no offspring) ?
A few further snippets of information follow in next post.
~ Lu
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Katharine Harriette ST. HILL (nee RICHARDSON) >
In 1911 she is living at > Kensington > London (Earl's Court) - a widow aged 54 - no children born alive to her - duration of marriage (not recorded). Her birthplace is Nelson, New Zealand.
I can't be sure that Katharine actually returned to live in New Zealand with her husband - will check records further for that. The marriage seemed only to last a short time.
She is included in a couple of online "trees" (at the ancestry website), her mother is named as Mary Louisa nee SEYMOUR.
From an earlier England census > 1861 > it is recorded three RICHARDSON children > George - 9 / Gilbert - 8 and Katharine - 6 are all New Zealand-born.
~ Lu more to follow > >
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Katharine ST. HILL
There are a number of articles/advertisments for Katharine ST. HILL (also under spelling of "Katherine") in New Zealand newspapers.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX18960813.2.31.4
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18930330.2.92.3
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EG18960208.2.13.1
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[Notes for Ashton ST. HILL : He arrived in New Zealand as a 15year-old in 1840 (travelling Saloon-class but seemingly not accompanied by a family member). Later became a sheep farmer. ]
Ashton ST. HILL died in 1904 (in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand). > Obituary for Ashton ST. HILL
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HBH19041220.2.20.15
... there is an error in his date of arrival - says 1830 - but he left England November 1839 - arrived NZ 1940:
He left a Will which in 1906 was contested by a family member and another executor. It related to a bequest made to his wife Katharine (who at that time was living in London).
The newspapers reported as follows >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19061010.2.17.6
.... other newspapers around this date also carried their versions of the Court proceedings. In above it suggests Ashton and his wife Katharine separated in 1886.
~ Lu see next > >
edited to correct spelling
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Katharine ST. HILL
In 1939 Katharine is living in Berkshire (with her sister Octavia and 2 employees) - occupation : "retired author" - born : 18 January 1855.
She died in Berkshire, ENG. in 1940 :
Probate -11 September 1941 :
Katharine Harriette ST. HILL of Berkshire - died 26 August 1940 - probate Granted to Charlotte Octavia RICHARDSON, spinster and Rose GUNTER, widow. Effects : L (pounds) 5952-0-0
~ Lu
added: I endeavoured to find Katharine ST HILL arriving in NZ with /or without her husband after their marriage in 1884. I found nothing. Possible they could have arrived in Australia before coming on to New Zealand. If you want to check further, New Zealand passenger lists are at the FamilySearch.org website.
Also at that site, is the Probate file (with Will) of Ashton ST. HILL - 1904 (usually probate files are accessible via Archives NZ but for some reason this 1904 one not available for viewing at Archives site. ) ~ Lu
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As Lu has mentioned above, direct link to the probated will of Ashton St. Hill.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RH2-8XT?i=83&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKDTM-5GZ
Minniehaha.
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There are a number of mentions made about Katherine St. Hill in the Australian newspapers. This one in 1899 states she was "passing through Sydney on her way to visit her brother in New Zealand":
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71331784?searchTerm=katherine%20st.%20hill
Minniehaha.
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These were the only births I found registered in New Zealand:
1852/2622 Richardson NR Mary Louisa Ralph
1853/2817 Richardson Gilbert Mary Louisa Ralph
Minniehaha.
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Thanks everyone on Katharine St Hill. Really useful and interesting.
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Surplus to requirements but may still be of interest:
Obituary of George, son of Ralph Richardson:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NEM19410607.2.28?items_per_page=10&page=5&phrase=2&query=ralph+richardson&snippet=true&title=TC%2cGBARG%2cMOST%2cNEM%2cNENZC&type=ARTICLE
His probated will:
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/web/arena/search#/item/aims-archive/R22303727/richardson%2C-george-billingsley
Cemetery details:
George Billingsby [sic] Richardson
Age 89 Years
Gender
Date of Death 02 Jun 1941
Cemetery Picton
Interment Date
Cemetery Division Lawn Burial
Block 9
Row 0
Plot Number 21
Warrant Number 37119
Funeral Director Myles & Son Ltd.
Occupation
Religion
Other interments also in this plot Emily Catherine Richardson
https://www.marlborough.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/cemetery-records-search?surname=richardson&forenames=george&person=eyJQbG90S2V5IjoiMjg2MzciLCJJZCI6IjI0MjI5NzgifQ%3D%3D
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/208762599/george-billingsley-richardson
Marriage:
1885/3147 Emily Catherine Seymour George Billingsley Richardson
Her probated will:
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/web/arena/search#/item/aims-archive/R22303614/richardson%2C-emily-catherine
Dissolution of Law practice partnership:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18830625.2.17.2?end_date=31-12-1944&items_per_page=10&page=2&query=george+billingsley+richardson&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1861
1852 birth announcement:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18520221.2.9?end_date=28-02-1852&query=richardson&snippet=true&start_date=01-02-1852&title=TC%2cGBARG%2cMOST%2cNEM%2cNENZC
Repeated from an earlier post: Was this George, unnamed? [Actual date of birth was 18.2.1852]
1852/2622 Richardson NR Mary Louisa Ralph
Minniehaha.
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A snippet about Katharine's father?
JP:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18521218.2.6?items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=ralph+richardson&snippet=true&title=TC%2cGBARG%2cMOST%2cNEM%2cNENZC&type=ARTICLE
And a fire:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18521225.2.4?end_date=31-12-1858&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=r.+richardson&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1852&title=TC%2cGBARG%2cMOST%2cNEM%2cNENZC
Minniehaha.
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Thankyou!