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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: mim on Tuesday 10 February 09 19:57 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Please can anyone point me to a site where there may be historic photographs of the following locations?
Blackberry Town, Rowley Regis.
The Hartstone Inn (at 1 Springfield Lane) Rowley Regis.
Bumblehole Road Dudley.
mim
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Hi Mim, this site has a Black Country section with a Gallery. It is Blackheath Rowley Regis, not Blackberry! linell.
http://www.genealogyforum.co.uk/forum/gallery/album.php?album_id=3
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http://www.blackcountryhistory.org.uk/default.aspx
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Wonderful stuff!
I'd seen PaulStaffs site (which you should find very useful, mim), but the other one, from linell, is new to me.
Looking forward to a good look through, tommow.
Thank you :)
P.S. If anybody comes across an old photograph of the Red Lion Inn at Tipton - Fisher Street (called the Brown Lion before that)) I would love to hear from you. My ancestors were licensees there from the 1860s to about 1900 - so it would have to be quite an early one!
(Timothy Adams, and then his son Joseph Thomas Adams).
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Hi linell & PaulStaffs,
Many thanks for both of those sites which I will enjoy looking through.
linell - my ancestor was definitely in Blackberry Town, Rowley Regis on the 1871 census.
mim
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Hi mim,
If you can give us a few details - ancestors name, census details, etc. then we can see what the enumeration district is, and try to figure out where it might be.
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene,
My ancestor is Polly Munn and the census details are RG10/2993 120 36.
The listings at Blackberry Town are preceded by Springfield Lane and followed by Knowle Lane.
Many thanks for your help.
mim
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Hi Mim, I found your Polly a Servant Girl in Blackberry Town, not seen or heard of it before, it is not on the old Maps, don't think it is there today? Here is another BC Gallery:- http://www.blackcountrygob.com/Photogallery/
Paulene will look out for your Tipton picture, speak soon, linell.
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Hi linell,
That's another brilliant site!
I've found a present day photo of the pub I wanted on a different site. When I've had another look at the census it is actually 'Hailstone Inn' and not 'Hartstone'.
Many thanks for your help.
mim
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Good morning to you both.
linell, you're an angel - much appreciated - if anyone can track one down I know you will! :-*
Well, I had a look at the census (thanks, mim) and I see that it is near Springfield lane - I just found a Blackberry Lane, off Springfield Lane (property for sale details map). So, I reckon that is the area where it used to be. Wonderful to unearth these places, isn't it, linell!
I had a look in my book on Rowley Regis, and it doesn't mention it - shows a drawing of Hailstone Farm and an old photograph of the Hailstone (gone now I believe + pub built to commemorate it).
Got a photograph of The spring House, Springfield Lane, later the Royal Oak public house - but that isn't much use to you. However, I can email these to you if you do want them, mim.
Right, off to investigate the historical directories, to pinpoint Blackberry Town - I'm sure linell is on the photo track!
Catch up with you both later.
Take care,
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene and Mim, yes Rowley is lovely well worth a visit, shame a lot of it has been built over, but that's life unfortunately. Not found your Pub yet Paulene, have checked my usual sites, will keep looking, best wishes linell.
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Thanks linell :) :) :)
mim,
I know this isn't an historic picture, but have you seen this one?
http://www.pubutopia.com/pubs/R/Rowley%20Regis/Hailstone%20Inn/index.html
Think it must be the same pub - tell me, both of you, if it isn't.
Paulene :)
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this looks interesting: (digressing a bit)
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:xUwXTK9Y7kgJ:www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/HD16Dec08Catalogue.doc+hailstone+inn+-+rowley+regis+-+history&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=18
*look under west midlands
Wonder if it was sold, or if they still have it?
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Hi mim,
I'm afraid that's all I've been able to find - nothing in historical directories, google books, google search, etc :(
Sorry, would have loved to have helped more - but, you're in good hands with linell.
Good luck,
Paulene :)
There are some books with old photos on amazon and abe books which look interesting, but whether they have a photo of the pub I cannot say - you could always post to ask if anyone has a copy of the books, and if they do than ask if they contain a picture, mim.
They may be available through library loan.
It's a pity, but the most intersting one 'From Haystacks to Chimney Stacks' is not available at the moment - but someone may have a copy.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/rowley-regis/s/qid=1234445789/ref=sr_pg_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=rowley%
20regis&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Arowley%20regis&page=1
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?kn=rowley+regis&sortby=3&sts=t
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Mim,
I think your Blackberry Town should read Blackberry Lane which is in the Springfield area of Rowley Regis. Obviously the enumerator was not a local chap
John
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Hi Mim, I found pictures of your Hailstone Inn and the Quarry, will PM my email address, once I hear from you I will send the pictures.
Hi Paulene, have found a restaurant in Fisher Street, nothing on the Brown/Red Lion yet! Best Wishes linell.
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Well done, linell - does the Hailstone Inn look anything like the new one?
Thank you for looking :)
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Hi Paulene, linell & John,
Sorry I've not replied earlier to all the wonderful info posted today but apart from linell's personal message I've not received any emails informing me of all your new messages on the site.
Paulene - what a find at the auction house! As you say wonder if it is still there! Also thanks for pointing me in the direction of books on Rowley. I did have a fleeting visit to Rowley a few years ago but it was mainly to look at St Giles church & churchyard and did not have time for much else.
Anyway, once again - many thanks for everyone's help. Very much appreciated.
mim
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Re Blackberry Town,
I have a relatives birth certificate where the child is stated as being born at Blackberry Town, Rowley Regis on 23rd January 1857.
This same family is shown on the 1861 census to be in Blackberry Town, Rowley Regis.
I have also just found another member of the family in a census of 1841 also in Blackberry Town, Rowley Regis.
So I believe it must have existed for these dates.
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Good morning to you both.
linell, you're an angel - much appreciated - if anyone can track one down I know you will! :-*
Well, I had a look at the census (thanks, mim) and I see that it is near Springfield lane - I just found a Blackberry Lane, off Springfield Lane (property for sale details map). So, I reckon that is the area where it used to be. Wonderful to unearth these places, isn't it, linell!
I had a look in my book on Rowley Regis, and it doesn't mention it - shows a drawing of Hailstone Farm and an old photograph of the Hailstone (gone now I believe + pub built to commemorate it).
Got a photograph of The spring House, Springfield Lane, later the Royal Oak public house - but that isn't much use to you. However, I can email these to you if you do want them, mim.
Right, off to investigate the historical directories, to pinpoint Blackberry Town - I'm sure linell is on the photo track!
Catch up with you both later.
Take care,
Paulene :)
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I note with interest that you have a photograph of the Spring House. I would appreciate if you could possibly send me a copy and any other information that you have. My ancestor James Dunn and his future wife Ann Skidmore are recorded as living there in 1841.
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Here is some information on the Hailstone
http://www.longpull.co.uk/HBCPdownloads/HBCP%20Rowley%20Regis%203.pdf
Courtesy of Tony Hitchmoughs Black Country Pubs
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Is it worth mentioning that there is a Blackberry Lane in Rowley Village x