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Title: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Monday 09 February 09 16:36 GMT (UK)
Any information about these extended families prior to 1900 would be extremely welcome,especially how Jabez Ayres (1836-1891) came to buried in a Star of David grave in Lode churchyard.Despite the number of Jewish names in the tree, most of the family seem to have been Baptists.Also was Philip Cornwell c1798-1888 the son of William Cornwell and Ann Arber
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: tempsford on Monday 09 February 09 16:52 GMT (UK)
Hi,
William Cornwell and Ann Arber married 3 Nov 1789 at Bottisham but don't appear to have had any children baptised there.
The only Philip I can find was baptised 28 Oct 1792 in Bottisham, son of Edward and Elizabeth (nee Hart).
The Cambridgeshire Family History Society are transcribing Lode parish registers but I don't know when they are available.
Have you come across a Prudence Ayres born about 1695, she was my 7x gt grandmother but her baptism has proved elusive!
Tempsford.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Monday 09 February 09 19:58 GMT (UK)
Sounds as though Prudence might have been an older sister of Henry Ayres bapt 1707 at Lode, but I have never encountered her before.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: tempsford on Monday 09 February 09 20:12 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Thanks for that. I'll keep on looking!
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: robbo43 on Monday 09 February 09 20:36 GMT (UK)
Hi,

The hexagram has a variety of meanings, and on a gravestone is not necessarily a an indication of Jewish faith.  I think it can indicate the sabbath and also the union of opposites, but you might like to check out gravestone symbolism somewhere. In the 18th & 19th centuries every last thing on a gravestone seems to have had a significant meaning.

Robert
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Monday 09 February 09 20:41 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for that Robert, as an amateur archaeologist  I have a variety of sources available to check that out.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: anneb on Monday 09 February 09 21:24 GMT (UK)
If the family were Baptists , it might explain why you can't find Prudence's baptism in the parish records.

Many of my family were Baptists and I have the same problem. I can find marriages before 1837 as they had to get married in the Anglican church ,and  they were usually buried in the village churchyard but there's not many baptisms.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: benj221171 on Tuesday 17 March 09 19:27 GMT (UK)
The Cornwells were Baptists and many were buried in the grounds of the Chapel in Lode.  Iam descended from John Day Cornwell.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 17 March 09 19:36 GMT (UK)
My Ayres grandparents were certainly Baptists, my great grandfather James Ayres married a Cornwell, they were Aunt and Uncle to Jack Cornwell VC. The Star of David mentioned on Jabez' grave (see above) may be something of a false trail (See also posting Jewish Community in Bottisham?). The entire village was very inter-related, and with repetition of forenames makes the tree very difficult to work out.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: benj221171 on Tuesday 17 March 09 19:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Redroger, I will be a relation to you through the Ayres and Cornwells. My Sister in law was an Ayres before she married and she is descended from James Ayres and Emily Cornwell as well through their son Asher.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Wednesday 18 March 09 14:40 GMT (UK)
Your sister in law seems to be quite closely related to me. James Ayres and Emily Cornwell were one set of my mother's grandparents. I would liketo receive a personal message about this if you are willing.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: jamesayres on Monday 18 June 12 12:08 BST (UK)
Your sister in law seems to be quite closely related to me. James Ayres and Emily Cornwell were one set of my mother's grandparents. I would liketo receive a personal message about this if you are willing.
My grandfather was James Ayres who travelled to Australia, youngest son of James I believe, interested to correspond by email.
Ken Limby

NSW  Australia
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: sillgen on Monday 18 June 12 12:42 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome. 
If you make another post then you can use our personal message system to send your email to RedRoger.  Click on the green scrool under his name. I will send him a pm to say you want to make contact and I am sure he will get back to you.
Regards
Andrea
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Monday 18 June 12 21:08 BST (UK)
Done and dusted! Except I made a slight error, I am a GREAT grandson of James (b1844) I think I said grandson in the email.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Briagh on Sunday 24 June 12 14:52 BST (UK)
Hi Redroger and Everyone

Further to the Star of David on the gravestone, I read somewhere (possibly on here) that there was a 'fashion' at one time to use various symbols on gravestones regardless of their meaning or religious standing. I believe the posting referred to the Isaac/son family who also weren't Jewish despite their surname. In other words a bit of Victorian mischief apparently!
 I seem to recall that Bottisham seemed to be at the centre of this behaviour.
Hope that helps; maybe someone else has read that post too?

Briagh
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 24 June 12 18:21 BST (UK)
Many thanks for that Briagh. Yes, it was my post.When a family member found the grave we thought there was a Jewish connection, the question then became why was he buried in a CofE graveyard? The family as others will tell is very complicated and seems to be related to most of the village.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Briagh on Monday 09 July 12 20:14 BST (UK)

Hi RedRoger

Moving on slightly but still on thread - see tonights' (Monday July 9th 2012) Cambridge News page 28 Nostalgia. There are several references to Cambridge Place and mention a marriage between James Northfield and Lucy Cornwell. Hopefully you will be able to read it on-line. www.cambridge-news.co.uk.
 Several photos too!
best wishes

Briagh
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 10 July 12 17:11 BST (UK)
Most useful Briagh . Hopefully it will be there on line, and hopefully others interested in this thread will read it too.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 10 July 12 17:15 BST (UK)
Just looked and can't see a way into last night's paper. If anyone has a copy would they be kind enough to send me a pm please?
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Briagh on Tuesday 10 July 12 17:25 BST (UK)
I'll send it on Red Roger when your distant cousin has finished with it! ;D. Can you pm me your address?

Briagh
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 10 July 12 18:17 BST (UK)
Thanks Briagh; look out for pm.
Title: Re: Ayres, Brignell, Cornwell extended family at Lode and Cambridge
Post by: Redroger on Friday 05 March 21 11:16 GMT (UK)
Sounds as though Prudence might have been an older sister of Henry Ayres bapt 1707 at Lode, but I have never encountered her before.
Further very recent research suggests a connection to Cromwell's Puritans and the Civil Wars of th 1640s and 50s. I have discovered a William Ayres who was a Captain in the Eastern Association of Cromwell's Army. He vanishes from the record around 1644, but a William Eyres also a Captain in the Eastern Association appears. As there was no standard spelling before c 1770 (Dr. Johnson) I have assumed it is the same man; but apart from his break with Cromwell and joining the Levellers I have no further information. Did he return to the Cambridge area? Is he the grandfather of Henry, and Prudence? To me Prudence does seem to be the type of name to be associated with the daughter 0f a Puritan Family. Probably had a sister Temperance! Can anyone help please?