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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: H to M => Topic started by: harewoodhouse on Saturday 14 July 07 02:12 BST (UK)
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from lancashire... bollington cheshire, derbyshire??
as far back as thomas harrop c1774 getting married to mary taylor c 1780 is recorded in eccles lancashire, they have children james 1803 mary 1804 and ann 1807
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All my Harrops are from Mottram-in-Longdendale (not far from charlesworth) the earliest I've got is James b 1722 - I will fill in more when I've got time - this is just to include the Mottram Harrops (a lot of them were Hatters)
:) :) :) :) :)
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;) that explains a lot...ha-ha... ;D it would be great to make this a one stop shop...so anyone with a harrop or two stick them up here ...lets see how many we can get 8) and a MERRY CHRISTMAS to you all...sue
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I have 50+ from Mottram - and hope to put them on, possibly after the nearly here great event !!!!!!!!!!! ie Christmas.
Dot
PS Harewood rings a bell with me but haven't yet placed it - will contact again when I remember more.
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Just love the Christmas smileys
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:) thanks...my harrops have connections in stockport and reddish (I think that is in stockport) sorry I live on the other side of the world so I am geographically challenged...I have huge lists of harrops in manchester and surrounds but I have not got around to typing them all up...something to look forward to in the new year :o ...sue
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Hi Sue
Yes Reddish is in Stockport. I'd be very interested if you come across any connections to my Martha Harrop who married Richard Chatburn/Chadburn or her father Robert Harrop - as I'm having trouble unravelling it all at the moment
I THINK Martha's parents were
Martha Dodge married Robert Harrop 26/Nov/1774 at Stockport
Martha Harrop then married Richard Chatburn weaver 25/October/1801 to at Stockport by licence
They then possibly had daughter Hannah who married Samuel Collier
(No birth for her yet but I have this marriage possibility)
Samuel Collier to Hannah Dodge Jadburn at St Mary Cheadle dated 9/May/1835.
Seen in 1841 Census HO107/113/10
Stockport, Cheshire
Hempshaw Lane
George Chadburn b1826 CLOGGER'S APPRENTICE
Harriot Chadburn b1821 COTTON FRAME TENTER
Martha Chadburn b 1781
Richard Chadburn b 1766 COTTON WEAVER
Samuel Chadburn b 1811 COTTON CARDER
Samuel Collier b1816 CLOGGER
Hannah Collier b 1816 COTTON CARDER?
Helen Collier b 1836 (Ellen?)
Robert Collier b1840
Samuel Collier b1838
It all seems to link up but I don't have a birth for Hannah Dodge Chatburn so can't put it all together just yet.
Milly :)
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:) I found this interesting letter on the web...thought some of you might be interested it is written by james harrop
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH/2006-08/1155025836
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I also came on this, I would love to get my hands on it but it is to expensive for me, has anybody got any scans of the harrops mercury or been to see it at the Chethams library ?
http://www.collectablecollectables.com/search.asp?keyword=harrop
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has anyone got the Harrop surname book put out by ancestry.com and sold through amazon ? how good was it, is it worth getting ?
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I think that James from that list
James 5 mar 1790 parents robert and Martha
is brother to my Martha Harrop - daughter of Robert and Martha.
I still have not definitely proved it all - I need to check the original records - but it looks very likely. So if anyone else is researching that line do please get in touch
Milly
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this is the record
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;D a harrop hatter going to new york nov 16 1907
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Thanks ;D
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:P wheres mottram exactly ::)
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As there were 2 Mottrams in Cheshire, 1 near Macclesfield - Mottram St Andrew the other rt up in the top NEast corner, Mottram-in-Longdendale, the latter is the one I'm involved with.
Unfortunately it is now in the Tameside area of Greater Manchester but still on the border with Derbyshire. Although only a village it has been an important one.
Just a side piece of information - there is a 'hill' (more the end of a ridge) called Harrop Edge ;D ;D
There is reference to Adam de Harup in the 1360 M/S about the lands of the Lords of Longdendale - I'm going to the SOG on the 15th so will get the full quotation from the book.
Dorothy
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:D Thanks I wonder what will be the earliest we will find a Harrop
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From: elanki on: Yesterday at 21:59:34
I am doing research into the Harrop family: This is what I have and wondering if anyone out there may have them in their family tree;Wm Harrop married to Alice located in 1841 & 1851 census for Oldham Lancashire children Ambrose b.May 7 1822, Lucy b.1826, Wm b.1827, Ann b.1828, Ben b. 1831, Alice b.1835. of these children
Ambrose m. Sarah Lucy Buckley Dec 1842 in St Chad Rochdale:
Their chichildren: Joseph Wm b.1845; George Thomas b.Feb 22 1847; James Henry b.1849; Martha b.1851; Ambrose b.1854 died infant; Alice b.1856; Hannah b.1858;Ambrose b.1860;Lucy Ann b.1863. Most of the children born around Saddleworth , Oldham Ashton Under Lyne . Ambrose the father is lasted as master of Hey Chapel School in 1855.
of their children two left England George Thomas b. 1847 landed in New Brunswick, married and settled here. Martha married a Robert Dewhurst and settled in MA USA. Joseph married a Sarah, James married a Janee;
Apparently the Oldham Chronicle newspaper for 1923 has a rather lengthy article on Oldham and there is mention of my Ambrose with some personal data.. so far I have not been able to obtain the article.
So if any one can help with my Harrop from Saddleworth would greatly appreciate it.. thank you..
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did you know...that there is/was a Harrup/Harrop village in Yate Yorkshire ? oh and by the way the Harrops in Prestbury have had their lists updated with a lot of new names being found in the family labs and vital records ;D
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I know there are a lot of Macclesfield and surrounding places info on the 'new' family search site because a relative of a different part of my family has found lots on the Ashworths. Last time I looked they hadn't any more on Mottram - not the Prestbury Mottram.
I'm attempting to complete 4 generations - births, marriages, maiden nmes and deaths before I get back to the Harrops - I've just 2 deaths to do !!
I didn't know there was a Harup in Yorkshire, interestingly the chap who published the book from where my mention of Harup came is from Yorkshire and called Harrop !!!!
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Yes those new family search labs are great as it is easy to track a family using the polling records, there is only one problem...they only do Cheshire!
If your family come from Yorkshire you are lucky as there are a whole raft of CD's that cover all the parish records etc for sale on ebay, I cant wait until Lancashire's BMD is like Cheshire's as it really cuts down time collecting "likely suspects" and getting the order forms for he certificates.
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Have you discovered the Tithe Maps for Cheshire on line ? Cheshire Tithe maps in Google or other search engine will find them, they make interesting reading and can be searched. My American Ridgway relative found where our 3X gt grandfather was living (he was born c1770).
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;) yes they are great, there is a link to them on here, that is how I found out my james owned the main roads of the town he lived in ...I still have not found out why anyone would want to own 7 acres of roads ha-ha
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"I have just discovered & registered with this website, and see that you have done an awful lot of research on the Harrops of Cheshire. But unfortunately none of them connect with mine. My earliest confirmed Harrop is James bc 1828 in Warrington. I'm pretty certain I have them on the 1841 census for Lower Walton, Warrington. And I have them baptising children at St Elphin's, Warrington. If this is the same family I have father James, mother Elizabeth. Siblings Elizabeth, Thomas, Joseph, George. (My James had children Elizabeth, Joseph, Mary & William) I have searched the 1851 census to see if this family are there, but to no avail.
You have found many records, so I am wondering if any of them relate to Harrops in the Warrington area."
I have searched all the relevant online sites ever since they became available, but with no luck. And yes, at that time, Warrington was in Cheshire - very near Liverpool. So I would be very grateful for any breakthrough
Hi Caropea,
all my disks, papers etc are packed up as we are moving house, so I have put these up here so anyone else searching Harrops might have something for you.
There are just so many Harrops to look through and I have only done a small area but I dont think I have done any in Warrington only the ones that would of been in the directory lists...sorry I will keep my eyes open for you but the trouble with that is refinding you thats also why I also stuck you on here as the other day I remember reading someone looking for a Jabez Harrop I think it was on the rootsweb boards and I wanted to tell them that there is a Jabez Bailey marrying a mary ann harrop on one of my lists and think the name Jabez was not so common that there might be a connection, but now I cant find the person or the post ::) to reply to. good luck with your search...sue
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harrop, john thomas 1868 bollington Cheshire, England
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this is my My ggg grandfather!!
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i live in usa!
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;D nice to meet you, john thomas harrop is the brother of one of my family of harrops
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john thomas harrop born bollington 1868 grandparents james harrop 1803-1871 and sarah gosling 1806-1845 , parents william harrop 1842-1896 and ellen arnold 1844-, brothers and sisters william 1867 (who my line connect to) james 1870, sarah ellen 1872, mary 1876, margaret 1879 and henry 1881
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:) it seems james harrop his grandfather married 4 times and had children who survived to 2 wives, he lost 2 wives in childbirth
james was born in manchester 1803 died macclesfield 1871 farmed at beeston (beestow) brow in bollington now greenlane farm, his first wife was elizabeth wright 1804- 9 feb 1836 buried prestbury in the wright family plot aged 32 they had , john 1827, elizabeth 1829, david 1833-1874 and ann 1834
to sarah gosling 1806-1845 he had , james 1838, martha sarah 1839, william 1842-1896, elizabeth 1845 who died being born along with her mother
he also married tomasin harrison 1811-1850 she died having a baby called john 1850-1850
and he then married sarah davies nee jackson 1819-1878 who had 2 children to her first marriage but none to him.
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Ive been researching my heritage for a while and came upon this blog! I was woundering a little bit more about our herritage? what i found out is...
~Anglo saxon
~And there is some where in england called hurrup
I am on vacation and do not have the Infomation in frount of me. If you will plaese email me at Moderator comment: email address removed to prevent spamming and other abuses. Please use the personal message system to exchange info
I am very intrested to learn about the Harrops!
:) thank you
David Harrop
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Hi David,
Welcome to the UK - although I've no idea from where.
I've tried the email address you've given but got no joy so I guessed the best bet was to reply on here.
Harrop:-
According to the Oxford Names Companion the Surname Harrop is:- 'Habitation name from any of several places in W. Yorkshire or from one in Cheshire.'
I have found none of these places, there is a collection of a few houses in North Lancashire called harrop but I doubt if that would result in such a widespread surname.
In the Library of the Society of Genealogists in London there is a book called 'Extent of the Lordship of Longdendale in 1360'[incidentally transcribed by someone called Harrop] in which there is mention of Adam de Harup living in a village called Mottram in Longdendale which is where all my Harrop's come from (and so do I).
I know on Rootschat most of the Harrops are from the Macclesfield area but there are also quite a number from Mottram-in-Longdendale both places in Cheshire.
I hope you enjoy your stay.
Dot
(now in Sussex)
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thanks dot!!
Well today i spent many hours doing reaserch at a historian lybrary, and i didnt find that much!
But i did find John T Harrop's Name on a birth record for JAN FEB MARCH 1866 from Sunderland, Durham, Tyne and Wear.
It said next to it Sunderland, im supposeing this is somewhere in england.
But now im not sure if your John t Harrop is the same as mine!!!
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Very young mine moved to Usa...
but i hope thats not the case!
And i was woundering if you could post the harrop family crest of something
thx :]]]
~david
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HARROP is a district in Rainow township, in a. ring fence, of which the
Earl of Derby is proprietor. It is usually called the Lordship of Harrop.
CHARITIES .- Daniel Nixon left a. rent charge of 40s. per annum, payable out of
the Lamiload estate, for the instruction of six poor children.
Mr. Porler left 20s.yearly for three poor children to be taught, viz. l1s. 3d. from the Rainow Lower estate, 6s. 4d. from the Milkinsteads, and 2s. 5d. from the Bull hill estate.
The sum of 20s. per annum was left by John Gaskell; Esq., about 1823, to Rainow
School;
10s. yearly is received from Jasper Hulley, Esq., o.1so,for the support of the
school.
A yearly sum of £1 6s. 8d. is paid from the estate of Professor Smytb,
which is supposed to have been originally left by Thomas Shrigley, and is applied
to the same object.
John Lowe left 30s. yearly, and 11 fr.
John Gashell 20s.per annum to be distributed either in bread or cloth every Shrove Tuesday.
in the year 1613 gave, by deed, the yearly sum of £1 6s. 8d., issuing out of land, to the
poor of this township; this is generally understood to be paid out of the Hob Meadow,
the property of Professor Smyth.
this is where the cheshire harrops got their name from, I understand it was a place or a woods that had a lot of hares and Rainow boarders Bollington where you will find that there are a few places called Harrop and even a Harrop road, but strangly enough Harrop road was not built buy James Harrop but is a modern road I dont know why they gave it that name perhaps it is near the stream called Harrop that runs through Bollington, there is Harrop fold a B&B that sits in between Rainow and bollington and Harrop hill.
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did you know...that there is/was a Harrup/Harrop village in Yate Yorkshire ? oh and by the way the Harrops in Prestbury have had their lists updated with a lot of new names being found in the family labs and vital records ;D
not sure where yate is though :o
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I have found no proof that a coat of arms was ever given to a Harrop.
however there are companys that sell you coats of arms for them
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/harrop-family-crest.htm
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some Harrop places to check out
http://www.happy-valley.org.uk/revolution/mill_ponds.htm
http://www.happy-valley.org.uk/streets/harrop.htm
http://www.happy-valley.org.uk/streets/spuley.htm
http://www.harropfoldfarm.co.uk/
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I lived in Macclesfield for 10years BUT didn't realise the Harrop name came from near Rainow - there was a good Pub there which did a wonderful Christmas Lunch the Sunday before Christmas with Father Christmas for the Children, my youngest went in his carry cot in 1971 !!!!!!!!!- I didn't realise at that time how many Harrops I had in my Family Tree as I hadn't started researching it.
I am hoping to go to the area later this year - dep-ending on where my son & family settle on the return from Australia.
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Wow i didnt know that much about this!!
I recently have talked to my Great Uncle and he has done some reaserch with my heratige.
I will post when I recive it.
Dot,
lol i mistook you for Harewood when talking about the John t Harrop.
srry :P
Harewood,
With the info i posted erlier is it still likely Your John Harrop is the same as mine??
with Harrop love,
david
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Hi there, no I dont think it is the same john thomas as I have J T marrying Bertha Morgan in 1892 if you look in the lists above collated by year of the Macclesfield-Bollington Harrops, but if you look back on page 2 you will find one family of Harrops that I found going to America from Macclesfield and it looks like they settled in the Spanish Fork area of Utah, no child called john down on the list though but the family of Harrops you are after could be connected to this lot
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well the search continues for me....
but i will still post the infromation a recive later.
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where did your Harrops leave from- go to ? did they leave from Liverpool or Southhampton / Where did they go in America ? what year?
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Ok this is what i know...
John Thomas Harrop
• Born in Durham, England December 17 1863
• Parents came over seas and settled in Duke center, Pennsylvania
• Was 58 years old
• Lived in Garfield for 35 years
• He was a Bergen county, NJ Official and was in politics.
• Was an contractor for Garfield NJ
• Company was John t Harrop construction
• Garfield address 136 Passaic st
• Wife Nina Mccluskey
• Married Taylorsville Ill
• Sister Mrs. John Stark
Hope it helps :]
~david
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OK just googled durham maps
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-apla-nz-google-gm&utm_medium=ha&utm_term=google%20maps
do you see how far durham is from Macclesfield...so yes I think that youre after another john thomas harrop ;D fancy 2 lots of parents being that cruel
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SORRY
As I live in the UK I should have pointed out the distances to you - could still be part of the same families way back.
I will try to concentrate more and remember not everyone lives in the UK
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Hi there, My name is Frank Harrop and James is a long lost relation. What is the source of this information? as I have now found out that he emmigrated to USA, arriving Boston Dec 11 1901, and his Father was Varlow. I have found this out being prompted by the information that you published expecting him to have emmigrated in 1907. Until now I have not been able to trace him. Thank you
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hi country boy...which one of us are you talking too? what info do you want to know where it came from as my info comes from all over and as I have just moved house most of my paperwork is packed but if it is up on this list I should be able to tell you where I found it.. ::)
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oh I think I have talked to you before as I have come across Varlow before, are you the one I told to go to the old bailey site, wasnt it Varlow or his son who had some clothing stolen?in london? found it but it is varden not varlow
JAMES NIGHTINGALE was indicted for stealing, on the 21st of May , 1 gown, value 8s.; 1 petticoat, value 1s.; 2 shifts, value 2s., and 1 apron, value 6d., the goods of Varden Wood Harrop , from the person of George Harrop .
GEORGE HARROP . I received a bundle from my mother on the 21st of May, to take to Fetter-lane; the prisoner overtook me in Oxford-street, and asked me to take a note to Bedford-square for him - I said I was going down Oxford-street; he said it was only just round the corner, in Tottenham-court-road, and he would give me 2d. to take it - that it was to fetch a bundle to wash for his mother, whose name was Sheppard; he asked if I knew any body about where I could leave my bundle with, or, if I did not mind, he would hold it for me; we went into Bedford-square together - I gave him the bundle, and he gave me the note; I went down the area, and asked for Mrs. Thompson, who the note was directed for; there was no such person - I came up, and he was gone with the bundle; I saw him in Tottenham-court-road on the Tuesday following - I followed him to Oxford-street, and had him taken.
MARY HARROP. I am the wife of Varden Wood Harrop - we live at Chelsea. I gave my son the bundle, containing these articles.
THOMAS PETO . I am a pawnbroker. On the 21st of May, about half-past two o'clock, the prisoner pawned all these articles with me.(Property produced and sworn to.)
The prisoner pleaded distress, and received an excellent character.
GEORGE HARROP . It was only a piece of paper that he gave me - it was not directed; he told me it was for Mrs. Thompson - he took it from his pocket.
GUILTY . Aged 17.
Strongly recommended to Mercy. - Confined 14 Days .
and another case with varden
VARDEN WOOD HARROP . I live in Tabernacle-square, about five hundred yards from the prosecutor's. On the 29th of October, I was in my shop, and heard the cry of Stop thief! I turned my head, and saw the prisoner Corderoy, running by my house - several people were pursuing him. I ran out, and took him in Willow-walk. He said it was only a fight, and asked me to let him go - I refused. A mob of about twenty men interrupted us - I secured him - the prisoner Wood was one of them. Some people came to my assistance - I kept hold of him. I am certain Wood was one of them, by his voice, dress and size. I was struck by three or four different people - I believe he was one who struck me. I took Corderoy to Walker's, and gave him in charge of Attfield.
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Hi Harewoodhouse,
I don't think that we have talked before, as far as I am aware Varlow never went to London, but who knows, so that information could be of use to me. The information that I am trying to source is reply no. 39. Looks like a ship manifest,
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::) hmm yes I remember putting that up because mumsie said their Harrops were "Hatters" and I remember I had come across some hatters leaving... now where did I get it from, yes it was a ships record which makes me suspect that it was found on the findmypast website as they have the ships records all though ancestry.com also has a lot of that info on it too ???, oh for my paperwork, which is all boxed up somewhere in the lock up until I find myself a new house :-\ I will have a good search on my computer but that may not tell me as my sons bought me a new computer for mothers day last year and I had not put everything on it before we moved out of our last house. I will see if I can find that record of the theft as well, if I find anything I will post it on here for you....sue
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I recently began to help a friend in tracing his Harrop lineage. I have traced his family back to Henry Lee (or Lees) Harrop, b. circa 1837 in Tideswell, Derbyshire. He was a weaver, married to Sarah Smith, on 22 Nov 1857. Their son Charles, b. 28 May 1863, in Hyde, Cheshire, is the line I have followed down to my friend.
Although the marriage record for Henry and Sarah gives his father as Joseph Lees Harrop, a shuttle and ticker manufacturer, I have not been able to trace him. Henry and Sarah both lived on John Street in Hyde. Does anyone have any information on these people and their ancestors? I seem to have run into a block here.
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:) Hi there,
...lees Harrop is ringing a bell but alas I am still homless and all my stuff is still in lock up, I will look as soon as I can... But while house hunting I could not help myself and while I was down in Dunedin I decided to check out Harrop street, this is the only Harrop street in New Zealand and I wanted to find out exactly why it was called that, I knew that it was supposed to be because a William Harrop had left some money for a church to be built, but who was this William and where did he hail from ?
this is what I found out
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I do have a small amount of info on other Harrops that came to New Zealand but as NZ does not have any old records such as census etc there really is only the old papers and BMD to go by and as the BMD is not searchable and you need the names and dates to get a certificate this makes it very hard for people looking for people in NZ
back to William Harrop, I do know he did not come into New Zealand on any registered passenger ship, maybe he came over on a cargo ship with his team of horses?
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Yesterday, I received a personal message by Country Boy in reply to my request for information about Henry Lee Harrop. When I clicked on the link, I was told "An Error Has Occurred! You are not allowed to send personal messages, or your personal message limit has been reached".
Since this is the first personal message I have received, I don't think my limit has been reached. Can someone help me to access this message?
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maybe you need to be logged into rootschat before you use the link?
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Firstly thank you for this information it started me on my trail of finding my Harrop family
Just want to correct some information about Harrop's in New Mills Derbyshire.
in the 1991 census you talk about a family
Robert Harrop Butcher from Tong Yorkshire
Kate Oldham wife from Newbury
Joesph son
Just to correct Kate is from Norbury which is an area of Hazel Grove down the Present A6 road towards Stockport.
The census record shows it as "Chester" (the county) and then "Norbury" the district.
For the record Robert and Kate are my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother they had another son John Faulkner Harrop Born 1893 who is my Grandfather. He is mentioned on the 1901 census, after the Death of his Father in 1899, as still living with Kate and his brother in New Mills. The Family then returned to Hazel Grove where Kate re Married to Washington Hallworth a Newsagent. I have traced the family line back to John Harrop from Osset in Yorkshire born 1820, I have been able to go further back on Roberts mothers side.
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Hi there,
I have been told that one name interests is not the place to put up all my lists of Harrops and where they can be found, so they have been removed by the moderator, he has put them up for a day or two to allow me to copy them and then they will be permanently removed so if you want to copy them do it now you will find them on a separate locked thread at the top, or if they are gone before you get the chance you can private mail me your email address and I will send them to you as a word document. sorry about that...sue
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Hey
I am searching for details on one Betty Harrop who married one of my (potential) ancestors, Richard Pemberton, at Stockport, Cheshire 1747.
There are lots of references in earlier posts in this thread to places and in one case a job that tie in with the Pemberton clan I am researching, so there must be connections somewhere. I have found that the population movements in the period I am discussing follow a general pattern of moving north in Cheshire (towards Manchester) and that, perhaps due to marriages, different families moved around together, I presume to find work in the industrialising towns. I also find a lot of to-ing and throwing as if, whilst they may marry out of area, they live or return at intervals to ancestral areas, or vica-versa.
So, what is written below is not brief and whilst primarily about the Pembertons, this is purposeful to see if others can see the connections I see and perhaps dig a bit deeper into their Harrop history to see if they can help me find this Betty.
If your Harrops in Mottram tie in with Howard’s and Ashton’s in this period, I would also be happy to hear from you!
One of my direct like ancestors James Pemberton was born at Mottram-in-Longdale in 1776, to John P and Nanny Ashton, so I am trying to see if the Richard P who married Betty Harrop is related to this John P (ie father and son?), as I can’t find a note of John’s birth. John and Nanny were married at Mottram, (also in 1776: don’t they call that a shotgun wedding!?), but he was a farmer from Hattersley, Hyde: ie not from Motttram but Hattersley is less than a mile from and just at the top of the hill from Mottram: going south-west towards Manchester.
I can’t find any Harrop’s in Stockport that match Betty and I can’t find any Ashton’s in Mottram that match Nanny: nor any Pemberton’s in Mottram before 1776 other than a birth in 1727: so this makes me feel that all these folks were “on the move” The Pemberton’s appear to have been moving North East from their origins just south-west of Alderley Edge at a place called Over Peover (which is about 10 miles west of Macclesfield), where they were Sheriffs of Cheshire for at least a century before their migration which in my line appears to start in the mid 1500’s as far as I can tell: probably as a result of the religious upheavals of the time, given that they appear to have been non-conformists in all accounts I can find: as soon as weddings are allowed in Methodists chapels, they are never seen in a CoE church again.
Someone, I think it was Harewood, mentioned "Hatters" somewhere above, and another of my Pemberton's, Mathew born 1771, son of Joseph, who lived at Glossop (but census tells us was not born in Derbyshire), I think is a cousin of the James born 1776: Joseph’s father could also be the Richard who married Betty Harrop. Glossop is about 3 miles from Mottram heading south-east. The "Hatter" connection interests me as Mathew was a “Hatter”.
There is a big bunch of Pemberton’s at a place called Dukinfield, Cheshire, in the late 1700’s though there are few there at the start of the 1700’s but all parish records for the Methodist chapel that family might have attended from 1713 to 1761 were lost in a fire in 1761, so I can’t work things forward to see if Richard. John or Joseph P came from Dukinfield. Dukinfield is about 3 miles west to north-west from Mottram and about 6 miles north-east from Stockport. But given the pattern of migration, the Dukinfield Pemberton’s could be a red herring and the move from Stockport to Mottram would then fit the general pattern from Peover to Stockport: North-East, to where, by the mid 1700’s the industrial revolution was taking shape: east and north-east of Manchester.
The mid to late 1700’s is a time of big change as the Industrial Revolution kicks in, Manchester starts to become a major trade centre and villages to the east and north-east of Manchester, like Mottram, Glossop and the Saddlewotth villages become hives of activity as the fast flowing waters flowing off the Pennine Moors provide perfect conditions for driving the water-wheels of the wool and cotton mills that kick-started the Revolution in this area. Mottram is little more than a hamlet today: it never grew like the other villages: perhaps because it has no big mill. But that it had a parish church implies that in the times I speak of it was an important centre: which is perhaps because of it’s position at a crossroad between the counties of Cheshire, Derbyshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire.
I live in this part of the UK, and I am sure Harrop Edge is the big hill to the North of Mottram, which I have walked or rather hiked over: it separates Mottram from Mossley, where the James I spoke of earlier was brought up, with a brief interlude when his father returned to Mottram to marry again (to Lucy Howard) after the death of Nanny Ashton. The connection with Mottram
is then lost as James marries a local girl at Saddleworth in 1799.
Other than the Betty Harrop marriage in Mottram and the birth in 1727 the trail of Pembertons in this area goes cold . If I could find where Betty Harrop originates and how she came to marry in Stockport, I might find were my Pemberton line came from and how they came to be in Mottram, so any help with Betty Harrop would be appreciated!
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Hi there, yes I followed my Harrops from Manchester down to Bollington Cheshire then up to New Mills Derbyshire and over to Stockport, but I believe that they originally came from Bollington to start with. It seems that they were following the work in the mills.
I had to remove all my lists from here, but I have put them up on another site
http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.harrop/143/mb.ashx
I dont know if you go there, or if you have looked through them for your Betty, also there is some good info for Harrops on
http://www.jenforum.com/harrop/
good luck with your search
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Hey HarewoodHouse
Thanks for the links! I couldn't find the Betty, but I did find Harrops in Dukinfield at the end of the 1700's which may be of use to me.
It's interesting that your Harrop clan move up and down the area: my Pembertons seem to generally follow a more straight-forward route: or they had going back to Mottram and they appear to do coming forward from Peover: but in the 1700's they appear to come and go a lot! Mostly going, which is why I am anxious to trace Betty Harrop!
I realised it was Mummsie that had the Hatters in her clan, not you, sorry!
Do I take it you live in the Harewood (Leeds) area? I worked in Leeds earlier in my career and used to go past Harewood to get to Wetherby and used to call in to look at the gardens; and now my sister works there from time to time on a well known tv soap based at Harewood.
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;D I wish I did...no I live in New Zealand...never even stepped foot in England, thats why I may say up to when it should really been down to...as they are really just names of places to me ::)
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Hi Pembo,
Yes I have Mottram hatters in my clan - I wonder if we share any ?
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Hi
I found an overseers payment book in the WYAS a while ago with a lot of baptisms in the back of the book for Holmfirth near Huddersfield West Yorkshire (Could be workhouse!! but not positive on that!), They are not in the LDS IGI or any other (Ie:- Find my past)and only resently put on Fiche/Film.
There is~ Joseph son of John & Ann Harrop of Guller born Feb 6th 1814 bapt March 4th 1814 (Nothing Else) no abode or occupation.
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john thomas harrop born bollington 1868 grandparents james harrop 1803-1871 and sarah gosling 1806-1845 , parents william harrop 1842-1896 and ellen arnold 1844-, brothers and sisters william 1867 (who my line connect to) james 1870, sarah ellen 1872, mary 1876, margaret 1879 and henry 1881
The above named Ellen Arnold was my great grandfathers sister.
He was John Charles Arnold and their parents were, Thomas 1810 andMartha 1808
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harrop, john thomas 1868 bollington Cheshire, England
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this is my My ggg grandfather!!
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i live in usa!
Hello, john thomas harrop was the son of ellen harrop nee arnold. she was the sister of john charles arnold, my great grandfather.
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;D I wish I did...no I live in New Zealand...never even stepped foot in England, thats why I may say up to when it should really been down to...as they are really just names of places to me ::)
Just occurred to me that you live in NZ.
Ellen Arnold's nephew went to NZ but despite knowing that they had a son named Barry possibly born about 1930, I can't locate them. Barry came to the UK in 1951 for the festival of Britain, I was only 5 years old so I barely remember him.
The old address was Lower Hutt which I believe is now a major city there.
Not sure which nephew, have tried all the shipping lists.
Was it William 1867 who was your ancestor.
The Arnolds lived in Adlington Road, Bolington as did the Harrops, so did John
Charles Arnolds in- laws who were blacksmiths there.
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Hi Billy's lad
Seeing as your ancestry is most likely seriously connected! I would sent a private message 'to harwoodhouse' poster as this thread is now 3 years old.
Dave
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hi there,
thanks for the information, I will see what I can find out about them here, I had just been looking for the census records for the Arnolds...it seems that Bollington is the place where 99% of my fathers family came from as they lived there for generations and married into families who had lived there for generations only moving away when my grandfather was a boy...at least it should make that side of the family easy to find info on ;D kind regards...sue
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I am new to trying to trace Harrops as I have just started trying to find out more about my great great grandmother's family.
My great great grandmother was ELLEN HARROP c. 1831 – 1874 born in Timperley, Cheshire - the daughter of WILLIAM HARROP c. 1801 – 1875 born in Stretford, Lancashire (it would appear that his parents were EDWARD HARROP and ELLEN) and JANE WOOD c. 1801. It seems that JANE died and WILLIAM married MARY SUMNER (a second marriage for her also) and they had a child also called WILLIAM born c. 1846 in Timperley.
ELLEN married my great great grandfather - JAMES FREDERICK SLACK who was born in Broughton, Manchester/Salford.
It would be great to find out more about WILLIAM and JANE - and their parents? Did they or their parents have any siblings?
As well as ELLEN they had at least 3 other children:
MARY c. 1825
SARAH c. 1827
JOHN c. 1839
I have found the christenings for Ellen and Mary and both took place at the Wesleyan Chapel in Altrincham.
At present it has not been possible to trace this line this any further but would like to know what happened to MARY, SARAH and JOHN - did they marry and have children etc?
Were there any further siblings born between 1831 and 1839 and what happened to William Jnr - I can find him on the census returns until 1871 and then he appears to vanish?
Any info that anybody can help me with will be much appreciated and it can be posted here or on my original posting (done before I knew about this thread) at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,503612.0.html
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Most of these web links will help you in your quest
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
THE OLD NORMAL FAMILY SEARCH LINK ABOVE
https://www.familysearch.org/
SPECIAL new ABOVE LINK "BETA" AS ALSORTS AN SOMETIMES GIVE FULL MARRIAGE DETAILS AND BIRTH PARENTS/LICENCE BOND MARRIAGE INFO WITH AGE OF THE COUPLE
CLICK ON EVENT BMD WITH YEAR AND IT WILL DO AUTO 10 YEARS +/- SEARCH
OR PUT IN COVER YEARS 'FROM TO' IE:- say 1830 TO 1840 THAT COVERS ALL EVENTS BETWEEN THE YEARS ENTERED
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
The pilot search link above . 'Got too Beta' comes up first!! at the top of link page in black> ignore this and wait upto a minute then the pilot search will come up
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp
( above FindMyPast Gives dates Free)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
Hugh Wallis give parish by parish also if you find a name :-example only say Joe Blogg bapt 1800 click on the batch number at the bottom and another search page will come up- re-enter the surname only then all the Blogg's would come up including all Blogg 's but more important may include other baps of the parents of Joe or other siblings of his parents
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Most of these web links will help you in your quest
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
THE OLD NORMAL FAMILY SEARCH LINK ABOVE
https://www.familysearch.org/
SPECIAL new ABOVE LINK "BETA" AS ALSORTS AN SOMETIMES GIVE FULL MARRIAGE DETAILS AND BIRTH PARENTS/LICENCE BOND MARRIAGE INFO WITH AGE OF THE COUPLE
CLICK ON EVENT BMD WITH YEAR AND IT WILL DO AUTO 10 YEARS +/- SEARCH
OR PUT IN COVER YEARS 'FROM TO' IE:- say 1830 TO 1840 THAT COVERS ALL EVENTS BETWEEN THE YEARS ENTERED
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
The pilot search link above . 'Got too Beta' comes up first!! at the top of link page in black> ignore this and wait upto a minute then the pilot search will come up
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp
( above FindMyPast Gives dates Free)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
Hugh Wallis give parish by parish also if you find a name :-example only say Joe Blogg bapt 1800 click on the batch number at the bottom and another search page will come up- re-enter the surname only then all the Blogg's would come up including all Blogg 's but more important may include other baps of the parents of Joe or other siblings of his parents
Thank you for this although I did not really understand it all - I didn't get the bit about the "beta" search - it was all a little confusing.
Mike
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Hi
Just explore the web site links you'll soon pick up how to use them
Beta. Full search
there are two boxes to put the year dates in for a search of all baptism, birth. marriage and burial/deaths
short search (advanced search)
If you want to search say just 'Baptism 'only one year box comes up and does not give a range of years as a full search does of all events.
you'll sus it out as you use them
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Hi
Just explore the web site links you'll soon pick up how to use them
Beta. Full search
there are two boxes to put the year dates in for a search of all baptism, birth. marriage and burial/deaths
short search
If you want to search say just 'Baptism 'only one year box comes up and does not give a range of years as a full search does of all events.
you'll sus it out as you use them
Thanks - I will do.
Mike
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click on the advanced tab in beta for short search for exact event ie baptism
Hugh Wallis his a hard link to understand and explain how to use it but the more you experiment! the more it gets easier.
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Hi there,
Looking for any assistance to trace the ancestry/siblings of John Henry Harrop, born abt 1872 in Salford, and married to Elizabeth Ann Symms in 1894 at St Simon's in Salford.
I have a suggestion that his parents may have been John H Harrop and Alice.
Thank you, AB
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My Harrop family is Louis Harrop b. abt. 1800 in Manchester (according to family lore) England, he married in Anna Eliza Stickle in Pennsylvania, USA in 1836 and had a son Benjamin born there in 1837. His next 2 children were born in New York before he settled his family in Ontario, Canada.
Family stories say that Louis & his brother John went to Pennsylvania to build mills, but I don't have any proof of that story.
Lewis died in Ontario in 1861 and did not own but rented his land.
He had 3 sons - Benjamin, John & William and 2 daughters Elizabeth Ann & Mary. I have quite a bit of information on this family but I have not been able to find Louis' family in England.
Looking at the My Heritage site I see a James & Betty Harrop who had a son Benjamin in 1798 and Lewis in 1800 so I am wondering if this could possibly be the right family.
Is there anyone researching this family?