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Hi,
I am researching my partner's family and have Robert Hughes aka Jones and Sarah possibly Davies as his Great Great Grandparents. their daughter Sarah married Charles Manley in Offwell Devon in 1891 Witnesses were Leonard Hughes and Patience Orchard. I have drawn a blank as far as Robert Hughes's wife Sarah and Robert Hughes's headstone in Honiton Cemetery doesn't give anything away!
I am looking for information about the Manley family too. Charles Manley I think was born in Uplyme in 1870, I have a birth certificate which I feel (after 9 years of searching) is probably the correct one, his parents being Henry Manley and Matilda nee Wells. On his marriage certificate he said his father was Harry Manley a Horse dealer and certainly his brothers went on to be horse dealers and he himself is recorded as such on his marriage certificate. As for his Mother the only possible one on a census is called Emily in 1891 so that was no help, in 1871 she was called Matilda the same as on the tentative birth certificate I have.
If anyone has any links to any of these families I would love to hear from you, after all these years of searching with very little to go on I need a break!
Thanks
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Hi :)
In 1891
Honiton
Aylesbeare Common
Robert HUGHES head mar 69 licensed hawker b Honiton
Sarah wife 63 b gloucestershire
Joseph son 36 Lic.hawker b Somersetshire
Leonard son 26 lic. hawker b Offwell devon...... witness at Sarah's marriage to Charles Manley?
SARAH dau 21 b Wellington somerset
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Edwin ORCHARD head widr 48 lic. hawker b Pitminster, somerset
Betty dau 20 lic hawker b taunton somerset
John son 15 lic hawker b Honiton devon
Sarah jane dau 12 b ditto
Peter son 10 b ditto
Noah HUGHES 30 servant b Membury Devon
will look for more
deb :)
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hi again
in 1871 they are travelling 'gipsies' under the name JONES... in tents in Somerset, Chipstable, Old Way. they have a lot more children.
Robert JONES = 52 b honiton
Sarah = 48 Glos
Charles son 25 somerset Chard
Robert son 20 Curry Rival Som.
Joey son 16 Honiton
Tilly dau 12 Ditto
Fiance dau 10 ditto
Vashty dau 7 b Bishop Lideard?, Som
John son 6 b Wellington Som
Leonard son 3 Honiton
SARAH dau 1 b Williton Som
Caroline Radman dau mar 28, somerset
Henry Radman grandson 5, Somerset Langport
can't see them in 1861 yet .... working backwards to see if we can find Sarah's maiden name ...
deb
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hi
from IGI we have this extracted record
Robert Hughes s/o Robert Hughes and Mary
30 JAN 1818 Honiton On Otter, Devon
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Hi
have been looking for the births of their children .... :-\
The only one I can find is Joseph Hughes b 1855 Honiton....this would at least give you Sarah's maiden name!
Joseph Hughes
Sept q 1855
Honiton, Devon
vol 5b p 20
deb
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:)
re ; the Manley family
In 1871 they are all in old Fore Street, Ships inn, Sidmouth.
Henry Manley mar 44 hawker b exeter
Matilda 47 b exeter
Robert 18 cane worker b Withicombe
William 16 hawker b sidmouth
James 14 b Bridport Dorset
pincis? son 6 b Ditto
Mary ann 4 b ditto
CHARLES 11months b LYME, Dorset
marriage
Henry Manley = Matilda Wells
Jun q 1847
Bridport dorset
vol 8 pg 68
there is a Henry (37) and Matilda (38) Manly (sic) both born Bridport Dorset , in the 1861 census..they don't seem to add up to your family tho.
In 1901 I can see a Charles Manley and wife sarah living in Wellington, Somerset on Monument Hill in a caravan.
Charles is a travelling hawker, 31, b DORSET as is Sarah.
their children are Pearly 8, Sarah 5, Phinius dau 7 weeks, Caroline 7 and Charles 4, b Somerset.... all children except Charles b devon.
umm ... i am all over the place ... sorry .... they just seem hard to pinpoint.
deb
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Hi, Thanks for confirming these which I already have along with lots of other Manleys.
Sarah and Robert Hughes daughter Sarah I believe was born in Williton, Somerset about 1870 although I haven't found a birth certificate for her. Some censuses she is recorded as being born in Wellington and I can't find a birth there but one census says Williton so I'm going to try that one.
As for her mother one census says she was born in Langport so that's another possibility.
It's really the father Harry/Henry Manley I am more interested in rather then the Hughes as I have loads of them!
I have the marriage cert for Henry Manley and Matilda Wells they are definitely the 1861 family you refer to and do have all the right children.
Are they in your tree?
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Hi
No they are not in my tree , although I do have Orchards! :)
I am a littlel confused with the Manleys ....
we have Henry and Matilda b Exeter, devon and then a couple, Henry and Matilda b Bridport ...are they one and the same couple?
It just seems that the 1861 couple (both born Bridport) have a totally different family to the Henry and Matilda b Exeter.
deb
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Sorry typo!!
The 1871 family are def the right ones (for 'my' Charles) was what I was trying to say, you are right the 1861 ones are totally different.
I have the marriage cert for Henry Manley and Matilda Wills/Wells and also a birth cert for Charles Manley b 1870 parents Henry Manley and Matilda nee Wills/Wells. What has hampered me is that I only had Charles's marriage cert for a long time and on that he said his father was Harry Manley, Horse dealer. Charles brothers all went on to be horse dealers and he himself is described as one in one reference but for years I could not tie up Harry with Henry.
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hi there,
henry and harry r proberly the same person as harry is "short" for henry, (think of prince Harry) my husbands family link up through Robert and Sarah hughes, let me know if u think i can help in any way
Matilda
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hi matilda and debs usa.i am on to this one.related to me in a big way.sarah is still proving difficult but i have good reason to believe her dad was edward davies/davey,davis.
if its any help i have also found robert b.1818 has a sister mary hughes!!!i am in touch now with devonblue.i wonder what we might find between us?exciting isnt it.love cathayb. hope you both well.?
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Hi Cousins ;D
great stuff! Hope you are all well....keep us updated cathay
deb xxxxx
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hi Debs, Cathay
hope all is well with you both, we r ok here, not much time for family treeing with our little Liberty not yet sleeping through the night.
keep me uptodate and let me know if i can help, has anyone tryed finding our romany family in 1911 census yet?
take care all Matilda ;)
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hi matilda.i got a feeling you have a edward davis somewhere in your numerrous trees.i am looking through them now to see what i can find.
i have some of the birchs in the 1911 cencus but its a bit expensive aint it!!!
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Hi Cathay
not got an Edward Davis/davey that i know of, yes 1911 is a bit pricey have found a couple of my Hollands a few ryalls ,a Saunders and henry and ocean penfold, no luck with the Loveridges but still looking ;)
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have you got any surnames like davis or davey?
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yes Cathay a few Davis/davey linked with the loveridges and ryalls but have no idea who there familys are either lol so still makes me clueless ???, wish i knew where they came from ;)
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:)
re ; the Manley family
In 1871 they are all in old Fore Street, Ships inn, Sidmouth.
Henry Manley mar 44 hawker b exeter
Matilda 47 b exeter
Robert 18 cane worker b Withicombe
William 16 hawker b sidmouth
James 14 b Bridport Dorset
pincis? son 6 b Ditto
Mary ann 4 b ditto
CHARLES 11months b LYME, Dorset
marriage
Henry Manley = Matilda Wells
Jun q 1847
Bridport dorset
vol 8 pg 68
there is a Henry (37) and Matilda (38) Manly (sic) both born Bridport Dorset , in the 1861 census..they don't seem to add up to your family tho.
In 1901 I can see a Charles Manley and wife sarah living in Wellington, Somerset on Monument Hill in a caravan.
Charles is a travelling hawker, 31, b DORSET as is Sarah.
their children are Pearly 8, Sarah 5, Phinius dau 7 weeks, Caroline 7 and Charles 4, b Somerset.... all children except Charles b devon.
umm ... i am all over the place ... sorry .... they just seem hard to pinpoint.
deb
I think his relatifes still live up there
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I think his relatifes still live up there
Are you referring to Hemyock?? If so I'm in Hemyock and I do know some of the relatives! One is downstairs LOL.
Seriously there are others in the village, probably more than I realise.
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hi its cathayb here.there are loads of them still in somerset and devon.quite a few in barnstaple,some in wellington area and some in bristol,and some down as far as plymouth.some of the manleys also married into the tuckers.i even know of some relations in australia who i am in contact with.its sarah davis that we all our stuck on.we just cant find her perants.and yet we know of davis s living in the bristol area and devon /somerset area in the 1800s.we just cant pinpoint her.its a real brick wall.
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I think his relatifes still live up there
Are you referring to Hemyock?? If so I'm in Hemyock and I do know some of the relatives! One is downstairs LOL.
Seriously there are others in the village, probably more than I realise.
hi i live near wellington i would love to meet up for a chat or you can Email me,so you can give your phone number i will call you,
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hi its cathayb here.there are loads of them still in somerset and devon.quite a few in barnstaple,some in wellington area and some in bristol,and some down as far as plymouth.some of the manleys also married into the tuckers.i even know of some relations in australia who i am in contact with.its sarah davis that we all our stuck on.we just cant find her perants.and yet we know of davis s living in the bristol area and devon /somerset area in the 1800s.we just cant pinpoint her.its a real brick wall.
Cath the relations you are in contact with are my mum and dad its me Sally
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oh sally,hi hun?how are you.i am trying very hard to put the manley tucker tree in order at the present time.any gen you get let me know.i am in contact with devonblue who i am sure is related to you.as soon as i get it straight i will be in touch.have a few family probs at the moment so am a bit busy.put a post on romanyroad (google the web site)theres a bit off help on things going on on their at the moment and their journals are excellant and excellant photos two of some west country travellers.love ya cathay
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give me a yell if there is anything i can help with, might be able to hunt some down
hope all is well with u and urs cathay
take care Matilda ;)
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really after sarah at the moment.i am almost sure her dad was edward but cant find him in the cencus.he is on marriage certs in oxford and then hes seen in glos
i have also found robert born 1818 had a sister called mary born between 1820 and 1825.she married a sanders@george i think)but i cant trace her yet either!!!!she would be glos/somerset/devon area.
you can routwe for clues on them if you like.they are keeping me awake at night at the moment!!!!!
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You're not the only one!!
Wish I could find Sarah too.
I'm still ploughing through all that other Manley stuff as well.
Jas
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yes i am not sure how many are relly ours and who might not be.the american mailly has got me foxed!!!!
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have been hunting for Sarah and Robert for years and ive not found them any father back than the 1871 census, will keep looking. can you give me a bit of info on the Edward your looking for, you say hes on a marriage cert? whos? i,ll see if i can track him down. i,ll have a look for Mary Hughes c1820 marring george sanders/sauders too.
the only think keeping me awake at the mo is Liberty
take care
Matilda ;)
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Hi all
Henry Manley ( 1881 - 1972 ) married to Mary nee Stokes ( 1880 - 1962 )
Henry died in a fire in a small cottage on Bucehayes Farm, Post Lane, Honiton Devon Feb 1972.
Any relationship?
Many thanks
Roy Manley
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Was he the son of James Manley and Fiance Hughes?? If so we have a match.
Sorry bad pun re fire etc.
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Not sure of Henry's parents early days yet.
Had Sons - Lenard, Robert, Charlie, William.
Daughters - Phylis, Matilda, ?, ?,
Led a Romany life
Roy Manley
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according to my records i can confirm that henry was the son of james and finance
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henry born 1886? churchstanton somerset?
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Hi all
Re Henry Manley
He was born in Collerton, as far as we know, in 1881
His children Caroline 1907-1999
Leonard 1910-1991
Charles 1913 - ?
Robert 1915 - ?
William 1916 - 1990 ( My father, buried St Michael's Church Cotleigh Devon )
Phyllis 1922 ( Living in Cornwall )
Also Tilly ( possibly Matilda ) Mary and Henry - no info as yet
Many thanks
Roy Manley in Staffordshire
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are you sure phyliss and matilda (tilly)are not the sme peron.roberrt and sarah had a daughter they called tilly,mattida and phylis but she was one person!
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Hi
Phyllis definitely daughter of Henry & Mary. I am in touch with Phyllis's daughter - Doreen who has given me the information.
any further info would be Appreciated.
Roy Manley
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Hi,
I have found them on the 1911 census at Golden Square Cross, Stockland, Devon in a caravan
Henry Manley Head 1881 Pedling General Dealer, Dorset Lyme Regis
Mary Manley Wife 1881 Dorset LR (as above)
Mary Matilda Dau 1898 Pedling, Dorset LR
Mary Ann Manley Dau 1902 Dorset LR
Henry Manley Son 1904 Dorset LR
Caroline Manley Dau 1908 Dorset LR
Lenard Manley Son 5 months 1910 Devon Dalwood (written on the wrong line but appears to refer to Lenard)
Have been unable to find them in 1901 to see if there are any clues to Henry being the son of James and Fiance
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Hello , we are the manley , my mother is still living at aschulme in hemyock , devon , nr wellington hill , less then half a mile from wellington monument were my great great granfather harry manley was born , in a romani tent .
we are living in wellington , my brother has done further reaserch into his family tree . :) thanks Rod
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would that be henry known as harry manley born chruchstanton in 1886?was his dad james manley who married fiance hughes who was our great aunt?i should think we are related anyway.would love to meet you.we are on a romany site still living the romany life near hinckley point in bridgwater.we probaly known your mum.ask her what she knows of the birchs.my husband joe is son of henry and violet birch both now dead.we know a lot over the wellington way.some of our folki are buried in wellington cemetary.
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yess , you would probably kno my mother , pat manley who still lives there .
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was pat her maiden name or her married name?i have alot in the family tree.if i can be of any help let me know.
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sorry,theres dinlo i am.i meant was manley her maiden name or maried name or both?
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Hello
Unfortunately, the threads I have been reading are from a long time ago (2009) about Henry Manley and his wife Matilda Wells. The discussion about the 1861versus the 1871 census seemed to draw the conclusion that these were 2 different families. The youngest male children in the 1861 census seem to be the same as the eldest in the 1871. I have found with other records that birth places can be incorrectly transcribed by the people recording the census. My interest in Henry is trying to find his mother's name. Some people have his parents as William, a farmer, and Sarah Noble. It seems to me that a better match is a William , who was a sweep, and Sarah born in Owermoigne. I think that these are the most likely parents of my ancestor and Henry's brother, James Manley, who was transported to Australia. His profession at 16 was given as tinman. He was arrested with an Eliza and Thomas Eglinton - most likely his sister Eliza who married a Thomas Eglinton. From this information I came to the opinion that the parents are William and sarah. If any one is still interested in this thread and the Manleys, I would be interested to hear your views.
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i also think William is a better match but until proved will not add to my tree.their son married my opheilia hughes daughter of Robert hughes and sarah davis.i am also in touch with Julia manley.i will see what she says.there are quite a few trees on ancestry to do with this manley line and matilda wells.regards cathayb
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oh yes take no notice of the ages.it is ther same family.one of my lot(the birchs)aged 10 years overnight being enumerated in two counties as they were on the move!!!!!
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Hi Cathayb
thanks for your reply. The marriage and death records for James Manley do not list parents. But given that Eliza and a James had what look like to be the same parents, William was a sweep, as was James who was transported (Parish listed as Bridport), they are my best bet for a family unit. I can't find any info for Eliza after the court case and can only find a ticket of leave for Thomas Eglinton. A bit more circumstantial evidence is that James' children included a William and Sarah (though given how many people were called by these names - it certainly isn't conclusive!).
Thanks again.
take care.