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Title: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Thursday 05 February 09 18:26 GMT (UK)
Please can anyone help Have always believed my biological father was in the 7th Armoured Division of the Eight Army   I sent for my original birth certificate (as I was adopted) it states Robert James Osbourne Hancock Rifleman 6917836 Rifle Brigade  as I can never work out what regiment is what would they have been in 7th Armoured Division.  Cannot sent for records as not classed as kin once adopted. Thankyou for reading
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: Certacito on Thursday 05 February 09 19:54 GMT (UK)
http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/units.htm#Infantry

Not much help but will give you an idea of the units serving. Yours would be infantry.
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: failsafe on Thursday 05 February 09 20:03 GMT (UK)
You might try writing to them explaining your circumstances to see whether they will grant you access. If the person is still alive then you may have probs the same as any closed info. Soz but its worth a try it will only cost you postage in the initial step. If granted, then it may be considerably more expensive.

Good luck
failsafe
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Thursday 05 February 09 20:29 GMT (UK)
thanks failsafe willtry thatI have heard that he died last year  but as most records dont yet go up th 2008 cant get a death certificate
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: failsafe on Thursday 05 February 09 20:33 GMT (UK)
Incidentally the 7th (Royal Armoured Corp) is normally associated with
the Royal Dragoon Guards (4th/7th), which along with a number of other Regiments formed the Royal Armoured Corp 1939. The 7th, along with another six, was a Cavalry Regiment of the Line.

failsafe
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Thursday 05 February 09 20:43 GMT (UK)
Certacito  have quickly read that article and I have faint memories of Dunkirk being mentioned Tobruck, El Alimein, and I am sure at end of war was in Germany believe he didn,t come home till 46/47?  all i know for certain he drove a Bren Gun Carrier
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: failsafe on Thursday 05 February 09 21:00 GMT (UK)
Good site to look at the 7th

http://www.creullyclub.freeuk.com/frameset.htm

failsafe
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: Certacito on Thursday 05 February 09 21:38 GMT (UK)
Incidentally the 7th (Royal Armoured Corp) is normally associated with
the Royal Dragoon Guards (4th/7th), which along with a number of other Regiments formed the Royal Armoured Corp 1939. The 7th, along with another six, was a Cavalry Regiment of the Line.

failsafe

With respect he would hardly be a rifleman in the Royal Dragoons (An armoured formation). Riflemen were most certainly infantry. I not 100% certain but would have thought the private soldier in the Dragoons were called troopers?

We are talking about the 7th armoured DIVISION also known as the desert rats.  A division being made up of a number of Brigades which in turn is made up of a number of Regiments, battalions etc consisting of all arms of the army. Armour, Infantry, Engineers, Signals, Reme etc.
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: failsafe on Friday 06 February 09 14:46 GMT (UK)
Have a look at this site

http://www.ian.a.paterson.btinternet.co.uk/orginfantry.htm#2RB

failsafe
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Friday 06 February 09 15:48 GMT (UK)
Thank you both Now understand Rifle Brigade was part of &th Armoured Division
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: scrimnet on Friday 06 February 09 16:27 GMT (UK)
This is a rather interesting site with lots of links....

http://www.desertrats.memorialassoc.btinternet.co.uk/index.htm
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Saturday 07 February 09 13:46 GMT (UK)
Thankyou Scrimnet once again you have helped me  you put me on the right track about my grandad in WW1 thanks
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 07 February 09 19:35 GMT (UK)
Thankyou Scrimnet once again you have helped me  you put me on the right track about my grandad in WW1 thanks

No probs... ;D

BTW....My dad was a Bren Gun Carrier driving instructor!!
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: Hussar on Monday 09 February 09 22:48 GMT (UK)
7th armoured brigade was the desert rats. they wore a red giboa(rat) on their arms. cavalry regiment was the 11th Hussars (PAO).
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: Certacito on Monday 09 February 09 23:05 GMT (UK)
7th armoured brigade was the desert rats. they wore a red giboa(rat) on their arms. cavalry regiment was the 11th Hussars (PAO).

Thought it was the 7th Armoured Division, not Brigade although 7th Armoured Bde adopted the desert rat in another form as their insignia.  Spent some time at their place once in Soest, Germany. Quite near the Mohne dam which we walked right round twice.  Useless information sorry but at the time we were very peed off about it.
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 09 February 09 23:42 GMT (UK)
7th armoured brigade was the desert rats. they wore a red giboa(rat) on their arms. cavalry regiment was the 11th Hussars (PAO).

8th and 11th Hussars were the Divisional Troops for  7th Armd Div. ;D
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: failsafe on Tuesday 10 February 09 12:20 GMT (UK)
Quite right old boy  ;)
failsafe
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: scrimnet on Tuesday 10 February 09 14:23 GMT (UK)
Quite right old boy  ;)
failsafe

Oi oi!!

Less of the old thank you very much!

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Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Tuesday 10 February 09 15:06 GMT (UK)
I am glad you two have sorted it out for me
 Failsafe will take your advice and write to people with service records if i sent a copy of my original b/c and his d/c might be lucky
Small world Scrimnet about your dad It seems mine drove two called Hazel1 and Hazel2  after my mum  shame the marriage didn't last war changed people so much regards janet
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: scrimnet on Tuesday 10 February 09 15:26 GMT (UK)
I am glad you two have sorted it out for me
 Failsafe will take your advice and write to people with service records if i sent a copy of my original b/c and his d/c might be lucky
Small world Scrimnet about your dad It seems mine drove two called Hazel1 and Hazel2  after my mum  shame the marriage didn't last war changed people so much regards janet

War does change everyone....

The best  and closest "cinematic" portrayal I have seem is Ioan Gruffudd in "Warriors"  about Bosnia, some years ago on the BBC...
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: failsafe on Tuesday 10 February 09 16:35 GMT (UK)


The best  and closest "cinematic" portrayal I have seem is Ioan Gruffudd in "Warriors"  about Bosnia, some years ago on the BBC...
Quote

Saw that myself was a great docu-drama and well worth a repeat

Young man  :D :D :D :D
failsafe
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Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: chancymarsh on Tuesday 15 May 12 20:34 BST (UK)
hello janet

my name is chancy marsh - i am bobs granddaughter. i was wondering if you could help me as i am trying to start the process of finding some information out about him ?

i googled his name and saw this post and just really hope that you can be of some help

thank you

chancy
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Tuesday 15 May 12 20:53 BST (UK)
Hi Chancey  have been reaching for about 4 years now what would you like to know  still have same phone number  janet
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: chancymarsh on Tuesday 15 May 12 22:39 BST (UK)
Can't seem to reply or send private msg - to save posting my details on here can you look me up on Facebook? Chancy marsh ? Alternatively I can post my email if I have to as I think we should talk xxx hope your ok xx
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: John915 on Tuesday 15 May 12 23:33 BST (UK)
Good evening,

Many different regts served with 7th armoured division in north africa; http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/orgarmour.htm#H4

John915
Title: Re: 7th armoured division eight army
Post by: janet62 on Thursday 17 May 12 07:04 BST (UK)
hi Chancy have found you on facebook also now have service record janet