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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: caroclay on Thursday 05 February 09 11:22 GMT (UK)
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I have just saw in our local newspaper that there is to be 350 bodies exhumed from a cemetery in Airdrie
All the bodies will be sent to New Monklands Cemetery.
I thought i would let everyone know incase it is off any relevence to your research.
regards
carolyn
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Hi Carolyn,
Just googled to read the story, I thought there was a law that stated they could not move the corpses buried there for a hundred years, The article even mentions cemetry being used up to 1927.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05gx/
I think all those who have relatives there are made aware. Is there someone on RC that could advise on legal position.
Tom
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7872282.stm
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The burial ground in question is attached to the disused Wellwynd church in Airdrie. The church was established on that spot in 1791 and has not been used as a place of worship for many years now. Way back in the 1960s (or about that time) a portion of the burial ground was leveled and made into a car park. Again, as far as I know, this was done when the church was still in use and the burial ground owned by said church. All the headstones were removed but the bodies left in place. No record is know to exist of who was buried in that portion of the churchyard.
It is this car park that is now being dug-up and North Lanarkshire Council, the present owners, has employed a specialist company to remove any bones that are found. They will all be re-interred at Rydenmains (New Monkland cemetery) and a church of Scotland minister will be in attendance to say a prayer.
NLC are improving the area and upgrading the disused church, I think it is to be some sort of leasure centre but don't quote me! At the moment it is almost a ruin, a great pity as it has been there since 1847 and is a fine building.
The portion of burial ground in front of the church is all that has survived and this will be tidied-up and security cameras installed to deter vandals. (Rather late in the day in my opinion). I have a list of lair owners and the MIs from what's left of the stones if anyone would like a look-up.
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I should add that the figure of 350 bodies is a wild guess on the part of the newspaper. No lair plan is known to exist, and my guess is that in the area in question there could have beeen up to 200 lairs. If the evidence left by Airdrie burgh engineer when he exhumed part of Chapel Street burial ground in 1926 is anything to go by, some of the lairs held 18 - 20 bodies, in most of the lairs opened, the top body was 1 foot from the surface!!! (This lovely man not only made a meticulous record of the number of bodies and any inscription no matter how trivial from the corresponding headstone, he also recorded coffin plate inscriptions).
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Just by sheer co-incidence, I have been pestering both the owners and the architects who are 'dealing' (for lack of a better expression) with Wellwynd Church for access to photograph the War Memorial Plaques which are still within this church.
It seems they couldn't be removed when the church closed and have been described as 'part of the fabric of the church' I think this means they're probably some sort of stonework, but that remains to be seen.
I shall keep pestering requesting access as I'd hate to think these plaques will conveniently vanish along with so many others which have ended up on scrap heaps etc.
New Monkland has a section with the re-interred remains and a few of the stones which were still legible from Chapel Street Churchyard as Lodger pointed out but there's only about 20 or so.
Anne
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Lodger
I would very much appreciate if you could look-up the names Gardner/Gardiner Finnie and Lindsay in the Wellwynd list.
Thanks
Barbara
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hi
I did not know anything about this graveyard i had only read what i saw in the paper.
It does not seem quite as bad now after reading the replies above the newspaper did make it sound very grim saying 350 bodies.
I personally don't think any body should be moved from it final resting place whether in a marked or unmarked grave but that is a personal opinion
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My reading of Lodger's post is that there are many more than 350, ie, 200 x up to 18 bodies.
Anne is referring to the remaining stones.
Dave
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Hi Barbara,
From the Wellwynd register of lairs there is a William Gardner Clerk Street Airdrie purchased a lair 12th October 1839. No Finnies or Lindsays on this list.
From Wellwynd MIs there is a Christina Lindsay married to James Shaw of Whifflet.
Also an Elizabeth Gardner married to Davis (or David) Smellie.
No finnies in the MIs.
From Chapel Street MIs there is a James Finnie married to Marion Paterson.
Also Henry Gardner married to Mary Gray.
From the Chapel St exhumation list there is an Elizabeth Gardner married to John Black.
From Broomknoll churchyard MIs there is a Robert Finnie married to Christina Hailstone.
No Gardner or finnie MIs.
Regards,
Lodger
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Hi Lodger
I think quite a few of those identified are likely to be mine.
Thanks for taking the time to detail it out for me.
Barbara
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Hi,
I can't believe this...such a beautiful church and quiet looking
I never knew of WellWynd having a cemetery...
Could you look for any Browns...and Paterson's
Robert Paterson/Christina Penman
Robert Brown x 2 both babies
James Brown/Janet Stewart
James Brown
David Beattie
Thanks ..Crookedtail
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I just received an email from a friend in Scotland regarding this matter. I'm curious to see if you have anything on the names Brogan, McCheyne (McShane) or Johnston listed here. Thank you.
Xeia
(from Nevada, USA)
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I'm shocked that they were just allowed to level it in the 60s. At least they're doing everything properly this time.
Hi Lodger, If you get a chance, I would really appreciate a look up for these people. I tried to buy the MI books off the Lanarkshire FHS website but could never get the paypal links to work.
Andrew Neilson d. 1938 and Margaret Kinniburgh d. 1948 (neither are in New Monkland despite the semi modern dates)
William Neilson d. 1875 and Jane / Jean McFarlane d. 1892
William Neilson and Jessie Anderson both d <1875
Thomas Kinniburgh d. 1902 and Margaret Abercrombie d. 1875
William Abercrombie d. 1877 and Lilias / Lily Russell d. 1856
Thanks in advance, hope I'm not asking to much :)
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I agree with Caroclay remarks, no exhumation. Leave the dead to R.I.P.
It did not show respect to tarmac over when it was originally turned into a car park, however perhaps that is how it should now be left?
RW
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I'm in agreement, especially since there are so many people who are now looking for their family history and those intered probably have someone living out there. I am in the US, and I'm assuming a few of you are as well. I had a call some time ago about 10 years ago from a cemetery in Chicago that wanted to sell and remove my dad to another cemetery. I flat out refused, as did many other family members. Needless to say the cemetery is still there. On one hand though, the building is beautiful and should be preserved but not at the expense of those that are buried there. There has to be another solution. And what happened back in the 60's did anyone bother to hold onto the stones? I don't know it jsut doesn't seem right to me. I guess I've seen and heard it all in my old age but this is to me is just not right.
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Hi Crookedtail - Xeia - Damnonii,
Couldn't find anything for these names, although it helps if you can match up a male surname with a female maiden surname. To ask for a single name makes the search impossible and sometimes there are too many popular surnames to transcribe them all. (Brown for example).
As for the headstones discarded in the 1960's, no trace has been found, apart from a couple that were set into the retaining wall of the car park.
North Lanarkshire Council wasn't even sure if the car park had indeed been part of the burial ground. Three test bores were made and that was how it was found.
No living person can make a claim to have an ancestor buried there, the stones were taken away about 50 years ago and no lair plan or record of burials have been found.
I don't know if it will be readable, but here is a page from the burgh engineer's record of exhumations for the Chapel Street burial ground. There had been a church there but old mine workings made it unsafe and it was torn down about 1852. The burial ground survived in part up until the 1960's, then the stones were removed and it was grassed-over and blocks of flats built beside it.
Lodger
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Thank you Lodger. I was just curious if those names were there. I didn't honestly think they were as my were mostly Irish Catholic. My lineage in Scotland is quite large, as my great grandfather was John Johnston who married Mary Brogan - her father was Dennis Brogan and her mother was Catherine McShane who passed in 1903 at the old workhouse in Airdrie. I've been researching with the help of a Scottish researcher named Christopher who is by far one of the best I've ever come across. Chris sent me the information on this, and I followed through on it. You know, there is a project going on now, i.e. the Coatbridge Project. The webpage is http://www.coatbridgeirishgenealogyproject.co.uk/
It is a sad world when you pave for a parking lot isn't it?
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Could you please take a peak for John Pollock (died 1869) and his first wife, Marion (Greenshields) Pollock (died about 1848-1851)? Thanks very much.
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Thanks very much Lodger. I think I'll just need to accept my Airdrie lot were too poor for gravestones.
That's a horrible thought that people were parking on top of a graveyard without even knowing. No matter how people feel about the bodies being reinterred at least now people know they are there and presumably a plaque or stone will be set up to commemorate them. It won't right past wrongs but it's something.
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Lodger can I suggest there could well have be an article in the Advertiser regarding the lairs concreted over? We only need what year it was to make the search easier.
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I recently discovered that my ancestor was buried in Broomknoll Churchyard in 1855.
She was Ellen Orr aged 3 years and 10months.
Do I take it she is now under a carpark, or would have her remains been re-interred somewhere else?
Does anyone have any more info on her and any other Orr family members who might have been buried in Broomhill Churchyard?
Many thanks
Ogleway
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OmahaBoy & Ogleway, I am not at home this week, will check for your ancestors when I return on Thursday evening.
robert, if only we knew when the car park was made! I searched the burgh council minutes but could find no mention of it, although I did find mention of the Chapel St exhumations.
There was a law passed by Airdrie town council, cant remember offhand just when, but I think it was in the 1880s, restricting internments in the 3 churchyards of the town to lair owners and children of lair owners. No new lairs could be purchased from that date, and so by the 1920s burials in the 3 churchyards were very few and far between. The parish church was not within the town limits so burials continued there and a new municipal cemetery was opened next to it, not too sure when, probably in the late 19th century. I have the exact date at home. There is a Catholic cemetery, St Joseph's in the New Monkland/Airdrie area too.
Lodger
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Thank you for your help, Lodger.
Much appreciated.
Ogleway
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I know for a fact my great grandmother x 3 is in that graveyard as it's on her death certificate from 1856.
Never been able to find a lair record and i assume she was buried in common ground.
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OmahaBoy, no luck with your querry, sorry.
Ogleway, the only thing I could find was in the list of lair owners for Wellwynd, a Mrs Joseph Orr, Airdrie, purchased a lair 5th Feb 1843. Also a James Orr 129 Graham St Airdrie who purchased a lair 13th July 1850.
Not much to go on but these purchases could have been made around the time that a family member died.
Lodger.
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Lodger,
Thank you so much for your effort.
Ogleway
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Hi All,
Thought you maybe interested in an update regards this topic. Taken from an article in the local paper.......
To clarify the position regarding the council’s application to disinter the former graveyard in Old Wellwynd Church.
The council is concerned that there may be a misapprehension that the affected area lies in the current cemetery.
The site to which the application refers lies to the rear and side of the church building and has been derelict for some time, having previously been built on.
Until recently the site included a tarmacadam surfaced parking area and a church hall. The cemetery in front of the church will not be disturbed - in fact, some enhancements are planned as part of this development.
Development of the site was well under way when the remains were discovered. The council immediately began the proper procedures to determine the extent of the remains, and the most sensitive and appropriate way to treat them.
It is important to stress that there are no headstones in this area, and therefore there is no way to identify the individuals buried in the area, or any of their surviving relatives.
As a result public notices were placed to allow anyone with an interest in the site to contact the council for more information.
North Lanarkshire Council understands residents’ concerns, and apologises for any distress the application has caused. We offer our assurances that our intention is to create a fitting and appropriate setting for these remains.
A specially-designated area in New Monkland Cemetery, which will be marked by a new memorial, will be made available if exhumation is granted, and the Minister of New Wellwynd Church will conduct a ceremony at reinterment.
We absolutely understand that these remains are deserving of every possible respect, and that is what we intend to offer.
Ewan Green, Physical Regeneration and Funding Manager, North Lanarkshire Council.
Gerry
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That interesting and informative information is much appreciated.
Thanks for posting
Ogleway
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Just by sheer co-incidence, I have been pestering both the owners and the architects who are 'dealing' (for lack of a better expression) with Wellwynd Church for access to photograph the War Memorial Plaques which are still within this church.
I shall keep pestering requesting access as I'd hate to think these plaques will conveniently vanish along with so many others which have ended up on scrap heaps etc.
Anne
As Architect 'dealing' with the project, I have never been contacted regarding access to photograph the War Memorial. I have documented the building thoroughly photographically and have had the utmost consideration for retaining as much of this historic building as practically possible. It is a shame that the process has taken so long and so much vandalism and deterioration has been incurred in the meantime. The parties involved have done a tremendous job in order to ensure the long term sustainability of the building as an important part of Airdrie Town Centre.
The War Memorial is to be carefully removed and stored in order to be re-incorporated in the foyer of the new building, something which was given prioriy from the outset.
Jon-Marc Creaney GCA Architecture+Design
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Hello folks.
I have just read this post, and hadn't realised that this was happening. I know that a good few years back, NLC, as they are now, exhumed a number of graves from the graveyard of St Andrews church, at Bellshill cross. This was to allow a widening of North Road, at it's junction with Main Street. I seem to remember hearing something about the remains from the graveyard, being re-interred in other local cemeteries, but I may be mistaken.
Regarding lodger's kind offer of look ups, if the offer is still there, could I possibly have a look up for Wylie and Stirling. I am trying to look up which of my rellies was born in Wellwynd. I will PM lodger when I have a definate name and dates.
Thanks
Gail
Have found who I am looking for. My great grandmother, Jane Stirling Wylie, was born at 36 Wellwynd, on 28th April 1880.
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I was really sad to read these postings, but thank you to everyone who has added information.
I know that my Great Uncle Thomas Porter was buried there in 1857 - he was only 7 himself, and had died of TB. His father, Thomas Porter snr, had been a miner who was injured in a pit accident and died himself before Thomas - all I can be sure of is that Thomas snr was alive around 1850 the year before his son's birth, but gone by the census of 1851. He may well have been one of the many who arrived in Lanarkshire from Ireland, but family lore has him moving from Larkhall so I can't be sure.
The family lived just around the corner in Aitcheson Street, and Thomas's widow Margaret (Wilson) was left with just her 2 boys, James, my great grandfather, and poor young Thomas. I can't find the adult Thomas's death records, and had planned to try and visit Well Wynd in the near future in the hopes that father and son were in the same churchyard, and I could find them that way.
From what I'm reading the 1850s were the earlier part of the graveyard and may already have been a car park for some time..
Frustrating is a polite way of putting it..
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
There is no monumental inscription with Porter on it in the surviving stones in Wellwynd churchyard. I would doubt very much if any existed to begin with. Conditions for miners families were horrendous at that time, I remember seeing an 1851 census entry for Airdrie where both parents and their 3 young children (under the age of 15 years) were all employed in the coal mine. They would have been living in a one-roomed hovel with no inside toilet and no running water.
No burial records have survived from Wellwynd and apart from the inscriptions themselves, the only 19th century information is from a list of lairowners and the Treasurers book.
According to the list of owners, a Mrs Porter purchased one lair in 1840, but that doesn't tell you anything, there could easily have been more than one family of that name in the congregation. No Porters in the Treasurers book.
Good luck,
Lodger
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Lodger, I really appreciate your help on this.
I always knew it was a long shot, with Thomas snr injured down the pit and then dying, and James, the elder boy, losing his hand in an accident the chances of money for gravestones was always highly unlikely.
James, my great grandfather, grew up to be a respected city missionary in Brickfield Open, Sydney Place / East Campbell Street, and I reckon managing that from losing a hand as a child in Airdrie is a good enough memorial.
The frustration is just not being able to find out where Thomas snr came from - the churchyard was always going to be a vain hope. I can only assume poor little Thomas, age 7, just had a pauper's grave, and just hope it was near his father's.
Thanks again, and good luck to everyone else who is still trying to search there, beginning to sound as if Joni Mitchell was quite prophetic
Maggie
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Hi,
Have you tried the Poor Relief Records...I'm sure that
with all the medical expenses they would have applied
I have learned alot from some of my familys Records....
Try it what have you got to loose...Crookedtail
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Thank you - what a brilliant idea.
I thought I was doing quite well, building my family knowledge from Ancestry and the Scottish Govt site, and it's only since I discovered this board that I've realised what an amateur I am, and how many resources there are that I've never even considered.
A visit to Aidrie Library seems like a plan, and thank you so much for the advice.
Maggie
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The following photos show what's now happening at Wellwynd Church.
It should be noted that this ground is at the rear of the building and not the wee portion at the front (Lodger posted a photo of that earlier)
By the looks of things, and after having a chat with the workers, there only appear to have been 4 existing stones in this section. The stone 'missing' is at the opposite side from the 3 in the photo below. If you look really carefully, you might just catch a glimpse of it behind the digger.
Anne
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At the beginning of this week, staff were sent along to Wellwynd to lift (as best they could) all the fallen stones, so there's a lot more standing (or propped up) than there was.
Amazing what a wee bit of publicity can do!!
Anne
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If you could let me know please which Devlins and Hughes are buried there. I would greatly appreciate the help.
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Hello History Lover,
Welcome to Rootschat. The internment records for Wellwynd, Broomknoll and Chapel St (the 3 churchyards within Airdrie burgh) have either not survived, never existed in the first place or are lying in someones attic!
So all we have are the monumental inscriptions and for Wellwynd, a list of lair owners that was probably compiled about 1850.
I can find no Devlin or Hughes mentioned in any of the monumental inscriptions (MIs). The Wellwynd lair purchase list has a Neil Hughes, miner, Airdrie buying a lair on 6th August 1840.
No new lairs were sold in any of these 3 churchyards after 1879, after that date New Monkland parish churchyard and Ryden Mains cemetery, (both at Glenmavis), Clarkston churchyard and St Josephs R C cemetery were, I think, the other options if you lived in Airdrie.
New Monkland churchyard has records from 1842.
Ryden Mains (adjoining the churchyard) has records from 1879.
Clarkston churchyard has records from 1840.
St Joseph's Dykehead Road has records from 1860.
All the existing records are now held by North Lanarkshire Council at Bellshill. At the moment these records are in the process of being digitalised. They may or may not be available online when the project is complete, I don't know if that decision has been made, or if it is to be on a pay-for-view site.
Good luck with your research.
Lodger.
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I paid a visit to Wellwynd this afternoon, the stones that were lifted recently had all, apart from one, been transcribed. The "new" one is very badly worn and all I could decipher was "Alexander Hunter died July 1899 aged 84 years, his wife Margaret Cordon died 11 November 1874 ........... (very worn) ...... Mary Hunter...........
The vandals are quite ruthless, I saw red spray-paint on many of the stones, but having the huge hedge cut down has helped a great deal. Once this new cafe (or whetever it is going to be) is up and running there may be floodlights and cameras, we can only hope!
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Funnily enough this stone was one of the ones I 'scrutinised' too - it was still lying flat at the time and maybe the angle of the sun made it easier to read?
I noted the following:
Top of stone missing
In memory of his children
JANET died 9th March 1886 aged ?
JOHN died ? aged ? months
ALEXANDER died ?
ALEXANDER? died ….? aged 9 months?
MARY died ….. ? aged 4? Years
And of his beloved wife MARGARET GORDON died 11th November 1874 aged 66 years
Much and deeply regretted.
Be ye also ready.
The above ALEXANDER HUNTER died 31st July 1898? aged 84 years
In memory of his beloved wife MARY HUNTER who departed this life after ……..?
How was the 'Back Yard' looking? I expect pretty mucky after the amount of rain recently!
Anne
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You managed more than I did - specs left in the car as usual.
I parked on South Bridge St and walked through the lane at the Bank of Scotland. didn't know it had been blocked-off at the churchyard but I managed, only just, to squeeze through the barrier. Looks like the church has been gutted, I wonder what happened to the memorial tablet(s) from inside? Any ideas?
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LOL!!
I'm the same- specs on, specs off, specs on ......... !
I noticed the gate on Wellwynd had been closed (never seen it closed for as long as I can remember), but I parked in the car park and the barriers around the front of the church didn't affect the wee entrance at the time.
If you turn into the flats/care home? behind the back churchyard, you get a great view of what's going on.
I spoke to some of the workers last week but they hadn't a clue what had happened to anything which was on the inside - hopefully the memorial will be being cared for somewhere. Maybe the chap who posted earlier will keep us informed of what's happening.
Anne
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I'm in favor of moving bodies when something like this happens. The reason being that no matter what, sooner or later, one cemetery or another is going to wind with a car park or a high rise, or a supermarket on top of it. Anyone who wants to visit the grave of John Knox for example, will have to go almost in the middle of the road to look for a wee brass plate. I think it would have been better to move him to a cemetery which at least has the right atmosphere.
Near where I live (Pickering, Ontario) there is a beautiful cemetery with the "Erskine Church" right in the middle. The Church only opens June and July and right beside it there is a concrete plinth with a number of very old headstones cemented in to it. It is much nicer than I make it sound here. Obviously moved from another location and none the worse looking for it.
Next time I'm over there, I'll get a photograph. I'm sure both Lodger & Apananderson will appreciate it.
Cheers,
Rob
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LOL!!
I'm the same- specs on, specs off, specs on ......... !
I noticed the gate on Wellwynd had been closed (never seen it closed for as long as I can remember), but I parked in the car park and the barriers around the front of the church didn't affect the wee entrance at the time.
If you turn into the flats/care home? behind the back churchyard, you get a great view of what's going on.
I spoke to some of the workers last week but they hadn't a clue what had happened to anything which was on the inside - hopefully the memorial will be being cared for somewhere. Maybe the chap who posted earlier will keep us informed of what's happening.
Anne
Hi,
Memorial stone and a few columns are in safe keeping for reinstatement in the refurbished buillding.
I will post details when finalised but likely to be next year.
Jon-Marc
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I ve just found out my 5x gt granny is buried here.
She won't be for much longer!
Three years it's taken me to find her and now they are moving her.
;)
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She may be in the part that is still intact, I have the monumental inscriptions, I can check if there is a stone for her.
I see you have Owens ancestors from Motherwell. Any relation to the Owens from Vulcan Street? Joe kept a piggery, Kate was married to Eddie Pearson the cobbler, a musical family known for their singing.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger.
I am not sure as to whether my ancestor has a gravstone. It would be interesting to see however doubtful. She was a widow of a farm servant, name was Ann McCartney nee Martin, and her death certificate from November 18 1859 states she was 70. She was born in Ireland and died in he parish of Bothwell (a place called New Carnbroe). I think North Lanarkshire Council are going to get a phonecall tomorrow!! :D
Cheers for offering to lookup any MI for me. As for the Owens family in Motherwell...from the extensive research I have on them, I can find no link to Vulcan Street. They moved to Motherwell from Glasgow (Anderston c1890). I am doubtful there is a connection...if I am anything to go by my ancestors were definitely not singers lol
Take care, and thanks again for the lookup offer,
Reaybo (Matt)
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Scarpadog/Jon-Marc,
Thank you very much for the information on the safe-keeping of the memorial.
I'm very much looking forward to seeing it in it's new/old home.
Anne
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Hi Reaybo,
You were right - no headstone, or if there was one it hasn't survived.
Lodger
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Hi Lodger (and everyone else),
I've just discovered that my 5xgrand father Thomas Neilson was buried in Wellwynd Churchyard, he died 7th April 1857, any chance he has a head stone you've seen?
Thanks
Lindsay
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Hi Lindsay, what was the name of his wife?
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Hi Lodger,
Hope this helps:
Thomas Neilson
journeyman wright - we think
wife Margaret Burnt(?) - impossible to decipher
his parents
Thomas Neilson farmer
Mary Nicol (Nuckal?)
his children
William
Andrew
Peter
Margaret
Lindsay
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Could this be them?
2 lairs. The property of Thomas Neilson and Margaret Smart his wife and children 1850. Their son William died 26Th August 1891 aged 7(?) years.
"2 lairs" is written on the stone, so it was a double plot. Smart badly written could look like Burnt. The 1850 date would be when the stone was erected, perhaps after the death of an infant. The kirk session encouraged church members to "mark their spot" as it wasn't uncommon to encroach into another's space! Or even blatantly claim the plot as your own. There were no written records at that time.
I have pictures of some of the stones at Wellwynd, unfortunately this one isn't amongst them.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger,
Fantastic, looks like this is them, we have Thomas and Margaret's son William died 26th Aug 1891 aged 75 years.
From your information that it's Margaret Smart (not Burnt as we had thought) we have now found her death cert - 4th March 1875 and also her parent's names John Smart and Agnes Watt.
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That's wonderful, you're back another generation!
I'm really busy for the next 10 or so days, but if you send me a PM after that, just to remind me, I'll nip over to Wellwynd and try and get a photograph of the stone.
Lodger.
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I have at least one relative who was buried here, possibly more. In 1860 my great-great-great grandfather's infant brother, Solomon Whittaker, was buried in the Wellwynd Church Yard. Any of you with access to information, could you please let me know of any other Whittakers who might have been buried or owned a lair here? Thank you.
Solomon's parents were named Richard and Mary Lambert Whittaker, if that helps.
Chris Mowery
Youngstown, OH, USA
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Hi Chris,
Sorry, no Whittakers in the monumental inscriptions or list of lair owners for Wellwynd.
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Hi Lindsay, went to Wellwynd today and found the stone. Here are the pictures. Sadly, the stone has been pushed over at some point.
Lodger.
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A few more pictures, taken today - 4th December 09.
Lodger
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Lodger, thank you for posting the pictures.
In some ways it's really sad because I know (as explored earlier in this thread) that the bones of my gr.gr. Grandfather and my 7 year old gr.gr. Uncle are amongst those pauper's graves that weren't marked and have probably been dug up and moved.
I wish it hadn't had to happen, but as it has it's better to know, and hope that the site of the reburial is marked so that the families of the unnamed from Wellwynd can at least know where they (all) are.
Thanks again,
Maggie 1895
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Lodger,
I'm so sorry we didn't get back to you sooner, thanks so much for taking the photos. It's really amazing to see them.
Lindsay
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Ironic really that after discovering the burial place of two of my family to be Wellwynd and making a mental note to go there, I then learned from this thread there would, in reality, be little point. Last month, when I thanked Lodger for the pictures, I had decided to leave any ideas of visiting.
Now I've just found 2 more deaths, both babies, one 4 days and one 7 months, both buried in Wellwynd. That makes 4 members of the family so far, and there could be more to come.
I think that's made up my mind for me, no matter that the unmarked bones have moved, they all rested there for one and a half centuries give or take a bit so I'll be trying to get to Airdrie some point this year after all.
Will there be any of the old churchyard left by the summer or will I be, like Jeremy Paxman in his WDYTYA, be just standing in a car park?
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Hi Maggie,
The churchyard, or what's left of it, should still be there when you visit. It is the oldest part, with a few stones dating back to the building of the church.
I think North Lanarkshire Council was right to move the bodies, at least there will be some sort of memorial for them now. It was the church, back in the 1960s that decided to rip out the gravestones and build a hall and car park, they should have been made to exhume at the time and put the headstones at the corresponding new graves.
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Thanks Lodger,
As always you are both knowledgeable and reassuring! That's good to know,
Maggie 1895
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Personally I stunned that the santuary of the dead would be replaced by a car,park,[just what we needed, another one!] or a coffee centre.
Anyway if some kind person could check for some of my Airdrie kin I would appreciate it.
Callows, Stewarts, or Neilson.All around 1830's-1900.
Callows were from Isle of Man,[IOM]
Stewart-John Stewart died abt 1821,M to Christina neeThomson Later married to a James Lawrie-? died.
Neilson-John[wife [#1?] Janet Simpson[I have info on her],Children Janet Neilson,Walter Neilson, William Simpson Neilson, Agnes Neilson.I have no death noted on any children or John.anyway if you come across them please let me know.Thanks.
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I'll probably have to accept I will never be able to find the spot where my 5x g granny is buried but I know now that she rests somewhere in this area. Maybe I can visit in a few years when the pennies are ample and more answers are known. It is just such a shame this has happened. Saying that though, we can't change what is done.
Reayboy.
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Hi Lodger, would like to find out if any Whitelaw family are on list,
many thanks May
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I've come late to this thread and think the photos are lovely. It's so sad when vestages of a byegone era are totally removed
On the off chance that some siblings of my Highland folk settled on the other side of Old Monkland I'd be obliged for anyone to keep an eye out for CAMERON and I'm still trying to find what happened to William & Kenneth M'KENZIE and their sisters born in the late 1700's (also their parents Alexr. & Jean)
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May,
Whitelaw is a popular name in Airdrie, can you narrow it down to names cross-matched with maiden surnames.
Lodger
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Rena,
I would need more than just the name Cameron. No Kenneth or William McKenzie, sorry.
Lodger
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Hi the only name i have is Annie Whitelaw this is her maiden name.
Cheers May
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Hi Porty,
No luck with this I'm afraid.
Lodger
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Hi Lodger,
Many thanks for searching for Mackenzie.
I am casting about for several generations of ALLAN CAMERON.
Other CAMERON given names are:
Jean/Janet/Jenet/Jane variants
Ann(e)
Margaret
Donald/Duncan variants
Hugh
James
John
William
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Many thanks Lodger for looking.
Porty
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Rena,
From the Wellwynd MIs -
"In memory of Allan Cameron ......(worn)........ (December) 1842".
Stone very worn, there may have been more but its all gone now.
Also -
"The Property of William Young and Jane Cameron his wife. She died 25th March 186(3) aged 56 years".
Not much, hope it helps a little.
Lodger
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Hi, what an interesting but heartbreaking thread. As someone who's not religious, I think it's sacrelige to destroy/move graves like that. And I'm not just saying it because I think my 3x great grandmother may now be under the M8.
Lodger, would you mind looking for any Carrick's on that list for me? I'm looking for a William who died c1852. But I'd also be interested in any other Carrick's (especially James's, Hugh's or Duncan's). I doubt my lot could afford headstones, but thought I should ask just in case.
Thanks. Ann
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Ann,
The list of lairowners for Wellwynd mentions 2 Carricks.
ALEXANDER CARRICK, Coatbridge. Lair purchased 7th October 1853.
JAMES CARRICK, cooper, Coatbridge. Lair purchased 7th October 1853.
My guess would be 2 brothers, or perhaps father and son?
One monumental inscription in the Wellwynd churchyard -
"1835 Erected by Andrew Carrick, wood merchant Balfron and Glasgow in memory of his father John who died 27th March 1827 aged 69 years. His mother Marjory Shaw died 24th June 1826 aged 65 years. Also their son Thomas Carrick" ....... (rest of stone below ground).
Here is a picture of the stone.
Hope this helps.
Lodger
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Thanks so much Lodger. I have no idea whether they're mine as yet. But those names are repeated in my family over and over again, and the connection with Balfron fits, so I'm keeping what you've posted on record for future reference.
Best wishes, Ann
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Lodger,
I,m trying to track Adam Prentice and his wife Margaret Rennie. Adam was born about 1802 Airdrie and Margaret about 1804 also Airdrie. There is an indication that Margaret died about 1850 in Airdrie. They had three children - Mary Prentice, born 5/12/1830 Airdrie died between 1830 and 1841, Margaret Prentice born 17/2/1833 Airdrie death after 1841 and Alexander Rennie Prentice who married and emigrated to USA.
Margaret Rennie was married firstly to Alexander Brash who died 26/8/1827 and they had two daughters Christina and Eliza Brash who in 1841 census were living with mother and Adam Prentice.
I strongly suspect that Adam is the son of John Prentice and Mary or Marion Thompson married Lesmahagow on 23/8/1799 but settled in Airdrie after marriage.
Any information will be much appreciated
Max.
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Lodger,
Thank you very much - sorry I didn't get back sooner to kiss your muddy feet but for some reason rootschat didn't send a notification email.
Whenever I see gaps in the memorials where the headstones have weathered I can't help wondering if one of those x-ray gadgets that archeologists/egyptologists use on ancient hieroglyphics would be able to enlighten us on the missing words.
I'm in despair when I read of vandalised headstones and wish somebody would inform the culprits that even though they might not have the same surname, they could so easily be desecrating one of their own family.
Some people have been elevated into the annals of the famous for us to read of how we benefitted from their inventions but if the youngsters and councillors who want carparks paused to reflect, they'd realise that all our ancestors in these old graveyards had input into the inventions, they worked with the inventors from the first kernel of an idea and cemeteries are their memorials.
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Max,
2 stones of interest for you. 1st is in Wellwynd churchyard.
"Erected by Adam Prentice in memory of his wife Janet Whitelaw who died 25th January 1859 aged 67 years and is the property of their heirs".
2nd stone is in Broomknoll churchyard, a few minutes walk from Wellwynd.
"The Property of Adam Prentice and Margaret Prentice his wife and their children 1832".
When both surnames are the same it usually means it is the wife's maiden surname too. It is also a "marker" stone, probably put there when the lair was purchased, to mark the spot. This may have been at the death of an infant.
Lodger.
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Lodger,
Many thanks for the details of the two headstones.
The Wellwynd Churchyard - I have had no success finding details on Adam and Janet Whitelaw.
The second stone at Broomknoll Churchyard is very interesting and I note your words of caution.
It is certainly close to Adam Prentice and Margaret Rennie.
Their first child Mary could be a match for the child burial 1832.
She was born and christened in Airdrie New Monklands during 1830 and does not appear on the 1841 family Census. Margaret Rennie died 1850 and Adam emigrated to Australia in 1852 with his step daughter Christina Morton Brash and her husband Thomas Prentice!
Christina and Thomas and their surviving child James Brash Prentice then moved on to California (Gold Rush).
Christina's sister and family stayed on in Australia. Whether Adam died in Australia remains unknown at present.
From this thread I am aware that there are major difficulties obtaining information from non establiched Church of Scotland OPR's.
I would appreciate any thoughts or guidance you may have.
Regards
Max.
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The stone which marks the place where the remains of those people re-interred in New Monklands Cemetery (Ryden Mains Section)
Anne
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Anne, thank you so much for posting that.
Amongst so many others, relatives of others on this board, it commemorates my great great grandfather, my great great uncle and so many distant cousins.
I really appreciate seeing it, and will take some flowers there when I get the chance to go to the area.
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You're very welcome Maggie!
Hopefully the attached view will help you find the stone when you get there. If you go during the week, there's usually Cemetery Staff around who will tell you/show you exactly where it is.
If you go at the weekend, follow the road straigt down from the entrance/cemetery office, go through either wee road with the white stones along the sides (that's then Ryden Mains), turn left and go as far as you can. The stone sits against the perimeter wall by itself.
Anne
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You wanted to know about the Callow family IOM. My grandfather was Haydn Wilberforce Callow passed away a few years ago. He was from the IOM, his ansestors used to own the laxie wheel and invented the callow bacon slicer. My uncle another Haydn Wilberforce Callow is in Somerset. There are connection with Scotland, I think my mothers great uncle was the bishop of Iona ( the females of the family have Iona as their middle name me included, glad it wasn't IOM).There is not many Callow's left in my family.
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I think my mothers great uncle was the bishop of Iona
I'd be very surprised if that were the case. As far as I know there has not been a Bishop of Iona since the Reformation.
The Church of Scotland does not have bishops, and neither the Episcopal nor the Roman Catholic Church has a diocese of Iona - in both cases Iona is in the diocese of Argyll and the Isles.
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I don't suppose there are any Blacks or Waddells in these old kirkyards? I have found quite a few stones in Glenmavis, but there are plenty still not accounted for.
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Forfarian,
I think I sent you the old certificates I had from Airdrie? I'm sure there were Waddells in the bundle somewhere?
As for the 3 burial grounds of Airdrie burgh, only one survives, in part, that is the Wellwynd. There is a marker stone still in place that reads - "The burying place of John Waddel, Airdrie Toll, his wife & children 1800".
Not sure where the toll was in Airdrie but it may well have been out at what we used to call the "Caur Terminus", the crossroads at the A72 and the Clarkson Road. It is now the Terminus roundabout. On the other hand, it may have been at the Glenmavis road-end on the A72. There is only one stone in Wellwynd with "Black". Walter Black & 1831 - 1891 and his wife Helen Brown died 1901 aged 66 years.
There were 3 Waddell stones in the Chapel Street churchyard. James Waddell esquire of Stonefield. Robert Waddle & Barbara Hamilton. James Watt & Agnes Waddell, a marker stone from 1844.
No Waddell stones at Broomknoll churchyard.
Lodger
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Forfarian,
I think I sent you the old certificates I had from Airdrie? I'm sure there were Waddells in the bundle somewhere?
You did, thank you, and there were. Those ones were in Clarkston cemetery
As for the 3 burial grounds of Airdrie burgh, only one survives, in part, that is the Wellwynd. There is a marker stone still in place that reads - "The burying place of John Waddel, Airdrie Toll, his wife & children 1800".
Not sure where the toll was in Airdrie but it may well have been out at what we used to call the "Caur Terminus", the crossroads at the A72 and the Clarkson Road. It is now the Terminus roundabout. On the other hand, it may have been at the Glenmavis road-end on the A72. There is only one stone in Wellwynd with "Black". Walter Black & 1831 - 1891 and his wife Helen Brown died 1901 aged 66 years.
There were 3 Waddell stones in the Chapel Street churchyard. James Waddell esquire of Stonefield. Robert Waddle & Barbara Hamilton. James Watt & Agnes Waddell, a marker stone from 1844.
No Waddell stones at Broomknoll churchyard.
Thanks for those. I know about the Waddells of Stonefield. Have also come across the one at Airdrie Toll, but I don't know who his parents were. Likewise Robert Waddell, married to Barbara Hamilton, and Agnes Waddell, married to James Watt.
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an interesting thread....
i noticed a mention of the name Finnie..... i have Ann finnie in my tree
married to Robert Sutherland she was from Airdrie born 1833.
xin
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Forfarian - further to the info which Lodger posted ....
As you know, many old stones just had one or two sets of initials, so I has a wee look in the 'Churchyards of Airdrie' booklet and found the following:
Chapel Street:
J B, 1840
J B A J H
J B A B, 1799
JW GW, 1845
JW MK, 18(38)
JW MR, 1842
Wellwynd:
JB A L
WW TW, 1807 (Wall Plaque)
MW RC, 1792 (Wall Plaque)
Usually these are the initials of the husband and wife, but unless the two sets matched with known info - then it's really guessing game.
The dates could represent unpteen things too - unless again, the year just happened to match a year of death or if you had details of when a lair was purchased. ::)
Anne
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Thanks, Anne. Not sure I can match them up, but I'll see what I can turn up.
TW - T is quite an unusual first initial for a female.
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Yes, it is!
Mind you, it might not actually be a 'T' - it might have been an 'I'.
Who knows! ::)
Anne
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Specific reply to Max39: Came across this post by chance. I have un covered other info which may be of interest re: Adam Prentice: see below.
Adam Prentice (b. 1805)
On 15th January 1850, an Adam Prentice was convicted at Glasgow Court of Justiciary, and transported to Western Australia for a term of 10 years. The crime committed is not listed. His registration number was 2682. The record provides the following details:
Age: 46 (thought to be age at time of departure, although could be age at the time of the court appearance, which would be more likely to be “our” ancestor).
Height: 5' 11 1/2"
Face: round
Complexion: fair
Build: Stout
Hair: sandy
Eyes: grey
Marks: Burn on breast; two moles on neck
Status: Married with 3 children
Occupation: Stone Mason
Adam was one of 304 prisoners that arrived in Fremantle, WA in 1854, aboard the Sea Park.
An Adam Prentice and Margaret Rennie married in Barony on 18th May 1828 (my ancestor would have been almost 23 years old). No other Adam Prentice’s were married in any parish of Scotland before 1844, which would place their ages as 39 years or older, and makes it likely that it was “our” Adam that married Margaret Rennie.
Together Adam Prentice and Margaret Rennie had three children: Alexander (b. 28/12/1828), Mary (b. 27/12/1830) and Margaret (b. 17/3/1833). The Adam Prentice that was transported was also married with three children.
Hope this maybe helps.
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Hi,
On National Archives of Scotland site ref JC26/1850/291, it quotes "Trial papers relating to Euphemia Muir, Jean Prentice, Adam Prentice for the crime of theft and previous conviction. Tried at High Court, Glasgow" on 15 January 1850.
The verdicts were :- Euphemia Muir, married, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 14 years
Jean Prentice, wife of Adam Prentice, mason (co-accused), m.s. Jack, Verdict: Guilty, Verdict Comments: Guilty - second charge, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years. Note: The first charge was not proven.
Adam Prentice, married, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 10 years
Tom
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Forfarian - further to the info which Lodger posted ....
As you know, many old stones just had one or two sets of initials, so I has a wee look in the 'Churchyards of Airdrie' booklet and found the following:
Wellwynd:
JB A L
WW TW, 1807 (Wall Plaque)
MW RC, 1792 (Wall Plaque)
Anne
Anne, I don't want to waste your time because I'm pretty sure I'm at a dead end, but I'd not heard of the 'Churchyards of Aidrie' booklet before your posting.
The next time you have a reason to look in it, could you possibly just check if there is any TP entered between 1849 and 1851? Thomas Porter must have been alive until at least the early part of 1849 as his second son, also Thomas, was born in 1850. By the 1851 census Thomas snr was dead.
Young Thomas followed his father to the grave in 1857 and was definitely buried in Wellwynd and as they still lived in Aitcheson Street I would have assume his father would have been buried there as well.
I've accepted logically that they, and several others in the family, must have been pauper's graves and are probably caught up in the 350 that have been moved, but you know what it's like with a really frustrating dead end, you clutch at any possible straws.
Thank you in advance if you manage to remember next time you open the book,
Maggie
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Maggie I'm sure the booklet is available from LFHS
http://www.lanarkshirefhs.org.uk/forum/index.php
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Thank you Sancti!
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Save your money, there is no "T.P." in the Wellwynd listing. There is a list of lair owners for Wellwynd but the only Porter entry is "Mrs Porter, Airdrie 18th May 1840.
I also have a transcript of what survives from the Wellwynd treasurer's book, (not included in the LFHS booklet) it's a list of lairowners from the 1830s, no Porters there either. I also have transcripts of various Friendly Societies in Airdrie, committee members only but no Porters in any of them, sorry.
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Thank you Lodger, I know you did give me that information a long time ago, and I didn't appreciate it was based on the same book details that Anne mentioned. If I'd realised that the book and your original information was all from the same source I wouldn't have asked.
I was leaping on that as a possible additional straw in the wind. I think we all do that when we know there's nothing but brick walls, every tenuous lead becomes something to try.
I think I really do have to accept that Thomas's exact date of death, which mine his accident was in, and the exact details of the accident are something I'll never know. If only I could go back and ask him to hang on till 1855!!
Thank you again, Sancti and Lodger. I really should have known better..
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Sancti is spot-on - that's where I got my copy from.
Lodger beat me to replying above, so I had a wee look at Broomknoll and Chapel Street just in case but no Porters or P's in either.
Anne
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My ancestors, Robert Wotherspoon and Lilias Stewart, are (were) buried at Wellynd Churchyard. I have heard that they moved ALL the old graves from there. I saw messages as late as March 2011 that my ancestors were still there. Can you tell me if they have moved all the graves, ore are the graves whose photographs are still being posted still there? I have a "cousin" who lives near Airdrie who would like to visit the grave but his Aunt told him a Business Center had replaced it. I would love any information you can give me. Thank you.
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Not all of the graves were moved (when I last looked, about 8 months ago). The stone you mentioned should still be there, here is a picture. The inscription reads -
"The burying place of Robert Wotherspoon 3rd Sept: 1846 aged 51 years and Lilias Stewart his wife and children. 1848".
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Well, having bored everyone in my search for my gr.gr.grandather's death, and the family graves, I got there in the end, last week Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread, and especially thanks to Lodger, because of your posts I knew what I was looking for. OK, the remains of my family have either been lost forever in the 60s, or moved with so many others to New Monkland, but it was still worth it.
Ironically I'd gone to Paisley because of a funeral and decided, rather than do the sensible thing and start the trek home, I'd head back east on the motorway and turn off to Aidrie. I found the new Wellwynd Church quite easily, but there was nothing in or around there that looked as if it could have ever been a churchyard then realised the part that Lodger had photographed was on the other side of the road. Now small, walled off and rather sad, but the inhabitants being those who could afford lairs and headstones.
I spent some time in the library. "Go upstairs to see Alan in Local History" they said (I'm sure it was Alan?) and what a knowledgeable and helpful man! I explained that I'd not found any record of my search for Thomas's death (through Poor Relief for his widow Margaret) at the Mitchell, and he suggested that I sat and went through the records for the 18 months time period, looking for entries for mortcloths. He set me up on screen and left me to it, or so I thought, though before he left me he gave me a brief masterclass in interpreting Parish Relief records which was so helpful.
In fact whilst I was scrolling through, he was double checking the records I already had by way of census, birth etc and by the time I'd eventually ploughed through and found nothing, either for Margaret as a widow in her married name, or in her own name, he had the maps of the area for 1850 all ready.
When I, in my naivety a few years ago, had googled 37 Aitcheson Street and decided it had all been swept away in dual carriageways, he'd looked at the town as it was then. He was able to show me exactly and sent me off to walk up hill to where the house would have been - even to tell me the type of house, poor crowded tenement, no surprices there. The area where I had thought 37 must have been was was totally wrong, because the buildings - and numbering - were completely different then.
What he did show me was where it had stood in relation to the town - high on the hill, on the very edge, facing green and the hills. Mines very close both in both directions and no way of knowing which one Thomas was killed in, or which on my gr. grandfather James lost his hand in. He also explained that the housing there was rented by room, and not owned by the mines so the address gave no clues either.
I walked up there and found the spot on the corner of Aitcheson Street and Sword Street. Modern housing now of course, and a housing estate opposite where it would have been common ground and mines looking on to the hills. He was right, it did help. The 2 boys in the family, James and Thomas, must have been hungry and cold much of the time but they had grass and fresh air immediately outside, they weren't down in the centre of the town. Didn't stop Thomas jnr dying of TB at the age of 7 though.
So that's it. It really is a brick wall. My 18 month window for Thomas snr's death following a accident in the pit, between late 1849 and spring 1851, was too early for local paper reports of mine accidents, too early for death / burial registration, not mentioned in Parish Relief. Having been to Aidrie LIbrary and had such comprehensive help and answers to my questions, I accept that now.
I had to head home in the end, because it was work next day, but will go back to Ryden Mains to the mass grave one day, and go to Greengairs and other Aidrie addresses.
For now, I'm so grateful for the professional and knowledgeable Local History section of Aidrie Library because even though the answer has proved to be "we'll never know" I did learn something, and I'm so glad I went.
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p.s. it just struck me how bizarre some people might find it, spending part of the day at a funeral then (for pleasure) go looking for mortcloth records and old graveyards in the afternoon. Rum lot, aren't we? Thank goodness for Rootschat!
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Oh, Maggie. What a fantastic story you have detailed there. With so much colour and description, I feel I have been walking there alongside you!
You are right - none of us here will think it odd that you went to a funeral that then set you off on your experiences and andvertures that you have had ;D
How lucky were you that you walked straight into the helpful hands of the Local History section of Aidrie Library and its historian!
Monica
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I was in there the other day too, Maggie. Aren't they fabulous. I got nowhere either, sadly, but it wasn't for the want of trying! I think it was Alan too who helped me. They've done a wonderful job with it (it wasn't quite finished while I was there, but that didn't seem to deter anyone)! Had thought of standing up in the archive and shouting 'any rootschatters about' but didn't have the guts! Had a wander round Glenmavis church yard too, in the pouring rain, for other leads, but that was useless as well. :-\
So kind of at the same brick wall with mine (my main line, 3x g grandfather) so I know how that feels. But hey ho, haven't lost hope that he'll turn up in some obscure document one day and give me enough info to let me carry on to his forefathers!
Ann
And no, spending part of the day at a funeral, and the other part looking for dead people sounds perfectly sane to me - but I'm probably not the right person to judge these things!
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Monica, Ann, yes you're right - thank goodness for the infinite patience and knowledge of people like Alan at Aidrie Library, but thank goodness also for people like you who understand how it feels!
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Without doubt 'three-cheers' for Alan!
I was there the other day too - not for my own lot, but on behalf of someone else but came away with loads of bits and pieces I hadn't thought about.
We should have had a girls day out! ;D
Anne ;D
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Now I wish I'd shouted out! ;)
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I had the place to myself and Alan's undivided attention... whilst that was brilliant for the help he gave, I wish I'd known you two were going!
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You and me both Maggie - the place was deserted.
Alan was whizzing through stuff on one computer and I was 'snailing' through OPR's on microfilm and like you, I was amazed when he produced maps of exactly the wee place I was looking for (and had never previously heard of) called 'Horeslets' in the Tollcross/Carmyle area.
I had forgotten that Old Monkland stretched that far in toward Glasgow and it's great when someone's able to narrow things down so much and can show you on a map.
If any of us are planning a return visit, we should make an 'announcement' so anyone else can join in if they feel like it. I'm only about half an hour from Airdrie, so it's not a big deal just to pop over and say hello.
Anne
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You wanted to know about the Callow family IOM. My grandfather was Haydn Wilberforce Callow passed away a few years ago. He was from the IOM, his ansestors used to own the laxie wheel and invented the callow bacon slicer. My uncle another Haydn Wilberforce Callow is in Somerset. There are connection with Scotland, I think my mothers great uncle was the bishop of Iona ( the females of the family have Iona as their middle name me included, glad it wasn't IOM).There is not many Callow's left in my family.
i think we may have the same ancesters, how can i speak to you? im new to this :/ my great uncle john callow, was a baker and a some sort of church leader, he invented the bread machine, my great grandfather paul callow was born in the street at the lexie wheel . hopefully we can swap details :)
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Hello Lodger
Would there be any Weirs on your list
Rosina :)
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Hi Rosina,
No Weirs in the MI list or on any of the photographs. The only one is on the list of Wellwynd lairowners - "Robert Weir, collier, Mavisbank, 14th October 1837". The dates on this list are presumed to be when the lairs were purchased but no one is really sure.
Lodger