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I am tearing my hair out over my great grandmother. I have no idea where she originated from, but know she was born in 1876, her name was Jane Elizabeth BRYANT and her father was Henry BRYANT, a deal porter.
There are many possibilities for her birth registration, so I need to narrow it down. I can't find her in ANY census. I have traced the Jane Elizabeth BRYANT born in Knaresborough JFM 1876, whose father was Henry and its not her - in 1901 she was married off and still living in Yorkshire, whereas by then my Jane was in Islington and married to Frederick or George VERRIER (married 1895).
I have searched in vain for her in 1881 and 1891 and cannot find anyone of vaguely the right details. One possibility was a Jane, (Briant), living with mother Jane (widow) and brother Daniel, but that was no good as the mothers husband was Bartholomew.
I can't find her once she becomes a VERRIER either. :(
I am desperate to get a start on her - can anyone help :)
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Sorry to hear about your pickle ec.
Could you shed some light on birthplace (roughly?) and where Jane Elizabeth lived during her lifetime. Any siblings?
Have you checked 1837online?
Jonathan
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Hi Johnathan W
I have no reason to believe she was born anywhere but London (possibly Middx/Surrey) as her father was a Deal Porter which I believe was an occupation mainly in Surrey Docks (south of the river Thames). After she was married she lived in Islington (where she was married)/Clerkenwell/St Pancras/Holborn area until probably around 1930 when she decamped to Hoxton. I have no idea of any siblings.
I have checked the records at the FRC and if she was indeed born in London then there is an entry JFM 1876 Pancras which fits - I can't trace this one though going forward. Thanks for helping
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Hi
Do we have any details from the marriage certificate ie. address/witnesses?
I assume you can't find them in 1901 either so any details about Mr VERRIER from the certificate would also be useful ie. age/occupation/father's name & occupation etc..
Do we know of any children born prior to 1901?
What is the earliest full address that you have for the couple nearest to 1901 (execpt the marriage) ie. from one of the childrens' birth certifictes?
Casalguidi
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Hi Casalguidi
The marriage in 1895 - both were living at Broad Yard, Islington. Marriage at St Peters Church in what is now Devonia Road. Witnesses were F or A Boon and Alice Boon. I believe they were friends as I have a baptism record for a child of Frederick and Alice Boon in the same church on the same day as one of mine (St Silas, Penton St). I have tried tracking them down, but not much luck.
Mr VERRIER is down as George Frederick, 22 , Carman. Father is George Frederick, Cabman. I have a good idea on the VERRIER family prior to 1901 and have all the census images back to 1871. This information leads me to believe that Mr VERRIER was younger than 22 - probably more like 18 - the same age as Jane was on the marriage cert. I think he was actually Frederick George - this is how he appears on his childrens birth certs, but not entirely sure as he also seems to have had a brother called George ;D
Children - Frederick George (what else) b. 1895 and Mary Ann (known as Maud) b. 1899. When Mary Ann was baptised 28 Dec 1899 the address was 4 James Gardens. The next baptism I have is 1906, (Boon child baptised same day/ same church, St Silas)address Risinghill St where they seem to have remained (different numbers) for a good few years.
Thanks for looking
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Nothing direct yet but could this be the BOONs:
1901 census
No. 1 Elliot Place, Islington (St Peter's)
Frederick BOON head mar 29 engineer's lab b.St Pancras
Alice wife 26 b.St Pancras
Rose dau 4 b.Islington
William son 2 b.Islington
John brother 17 engineer's lab b.St Pancras
Rg13/189 folio 5 page 1
Will keep looking
Casalguidi
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Could be Casalguidi - I have a baptism record for a Rosina Elizabeth Boon 1896 which could fit, father Frederick but the mother is down as Ellen Maud. ??? I also have some baptisms for children of Charles Edwin and Clara Louise Boon - same church same time period
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Here's a possibility from the 1881 census
Daniel Dobson abt 1818 Ilkley, Yorkshire, England Head Ilkley
Jane Dobson abt 1820 Burnfieldgil, Yorkshire, England Wife Ilkley
George Dobson abt 1855 Ilkley, Yorkshire, England Son Ilkley
Mary Ann Dobson abt 1857 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Ilkley
Henry Bryant abt 1855 Burley, Yorkshire, England Son Ilkley
Jane E. Bryant abt 1876 Knaresboro Granddaughter Ilkley
Henry Bryant is down as a Widowed son, possibly is he a son in Law really and married their daughter? Occupation is a cab driver.
Kieran
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Hi Casalguid
Thats the one I have traced that was born in Knaresboro - took me a while, but she was safely married off in Yorkshire by 1901. She is on 1891 with Grandmother Jane and married in Knaresboro in 1893 - nice try though ;D
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Have you got this?
Frederick G Verrier aged 36 Islington.1b 82 Death Sept Quarter 1910
Kieran :)
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Maybe the sons marriage?
Frederick G Verrier Shoreditch.1c 145 Marriage June Quarter 1915
Spouse called Wood
Kieran :)
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Hi Keiran
That is my no 1 guess as to his (Jane Elizabeth's husband) death. Not got the cert as yet, but I have checked 1900-1930 death index at FRC and he is the only real possibility. (It would also sort of explain why my grandmother b. 1907 never mentioned him).
I can't believe that with such an uncommon name I haven't been able to find them in 1901, I really need at least one census or something on Jane (nee BRYANT), in order to determine likely possibles for her birth etc
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Not much help I know but I may have located the VERRIER family that you were investigating in 1871:
1871 census
7 Gough Gallery (off/near/in Gough Street), St Pancras
George VERRIER head mar 36 mail cart driver b.Hampshire
Mary wife 34 b.London
Eliza dau 9
Mary dau 6
George son 4
Charles son 15m
All children born Clerkenwell
RG10/218 folio 28 page 48
Casalguidi
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Hi Keiran
Correct again. He married Annie Maud Wood 1915 and I have what I think are all their children. His birth was OND 1895, but indexed as Verirer - a simple mistake in transcription I think.
Thanks for looking - it is very much appreciated as this is doing my head in
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Hi Casalguidi
Yep, thats them I think. The George shown as son is, I believe Fredericks older brother. I believe he died in the 1890s and it appears that after that, Fred started calling himself George, possibly as he had named his first child Fred and it was getting a bit confusing. His name was obviously not mentioned much as when my grandmother married in 1930 she had her father down as Frederick Charles (the other brother). It has taken some working out, I can tell you. ::)
I don't have any trace of the Verrier lot prior to 1871, or Jane BRYANT at all, anywhere.
Thanks again
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You probably already have this entry for 1881?
Charles Verrier abt 1872 St Pancras Son St Pancras
Eliza Verrier abt 1862 Clerkenwell Daughter St Pancras
Emma Verrier abt 1875 St Pancras Daughter St Pancras
Frederick Verrier abt 1876 St Pancras Son St Pancras
George Verrier abt 1836 Clerkenwell Head St Pancras
George Verrier abt 1867 St Pancras Son St Pancras
Mary A. Verrier abt 1841 St Clements Strand Wife St Pancras
Mary A. Verrier abt 1864 St Pancras Daughter St Pancras
Kieran
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Hi Keiran
Yes I have that one - if you can find 1861 or 1851 that would be interesting. It is just the fact that I can't even get started on Jane BRYANT that is soooo frustrating.
Thanks for all your help
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Well this is a toughie ec!!!
I've been scouting about like others but no success I'm afraid.
Apart from the Knarsboro dud, I noticed the birth for Jane Elizabeth in St Pancras in 76 and can't find her even if she is the wrong one :( Unless she is the one noted as b. St Giles with the Widow? Brain frying now ...
Will keep my eyes peeled ;D
Jonathan
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Hi Jonathan
This is my dilemma. I suppose I could send off for the cert, but I have nothing at all that verifies her as a possible beyond a pretty common name. I'm not even sure that one didn't die before 1881 - I have checked as far as I can, but its such a common name. When I frist found the Knaresboro one I thought I was on to something, but she ended up marrying in Knaresboro so no go :'( ::)
I have no more ideas and was hoping someone else might be able to prove I am just not clever enough to find her ;)
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I'm stumped too. Any chance they emigrated then came back again? I had a branch of my family do that.
R u Collett ? Only there is someone on GeneReunited with the Verrier names you are looking at.
Kieran
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Hi Kieran
Yep thats me - you are a detective. ;D
I think the chance that they emigrated at all is about as slim as could be, let alone came back again. From what I can gather they never moved far from Risinghill St until they were either dead or bombed out in 1940. I have all children except one, born up to 1910, baptised at St Silas Church. Mind u Jane BRYANT appears to have been invisible as a BRYANT so not so odd she doesn't turn up as a VERRIER is there!
Thanks for looking - I really don't know what to do now. I think I'll go and console myself with a glass of wine or two
:D
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Frederick George Verrier and Annie Maud Wood are my maternal grandfather’s parents. He was born in 1921 - so we must be related?!