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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Felin on Wednesday 04 February 09 10:58 GMT (UK)
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I have a photo of a family teapot with "John and Mary Coats 1780"
My Grandmother used to say they had missed an "e" off Coats making it Coates.
This teapot is supposed to have come down the female side of our family but I am back to 14th Centuary without finding "Coates" from Durham
Family details are
Mother Alice Begent b 19 Jul 1904 Bucks
Gmother Alice Scrafton b 13 Dec 1878 Norton
GGmother Alice Hodgson b 18 Aug 18848 Langleydale
GGGmother Anne Hodgson b15 Aug 1820 Softley
GGGGmother Alice Parkin b 1793 Lynesack
GGGGGmother Elizabeth Mayor b 1737 Hamsterley
I would like to fit the John & Mary Coat(e)s into my family tree if possible and any leads would be most helpful.
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Hi Felin,
How lovely to have such a family heirloom, but as you probably realise, if it came down through the generations the origins could have been almost anywhere, from any female branch or even on one of the male branches, family stories are a little unreliable (in mine anyway)
I suppose the best thing to do would be to trace a John Coat(e)s/Mary marriage in 1780 as it was probably a wedding gift.
Have you checked for a marriage on familysearchlabs?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05bf/
Barbara :)
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There is a marriage of a John COATS to Mary PARKIN 6 Dec 1777 on the Hamsterley marriage transcriptions site:
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/HAM.html
I expect that on the same page, the marriage 10 Jan 1811 - Edward Hodgson to Alice Parkin was for your GGGGparents mentioned below, so possibly that's the link
Barbara
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Barbara
Thanks a million - that ties in perfectly with my tree - what a great site with all those marriages in Hamsterely where most of my family came from. I will be looking at it for some time
Do you know of an Isabel(la) Hird marrying a George Scrafton on 4 Sep 1780 in Kirky Ravensworth as your surname list includes Hird
Ralph
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Glad to help, all you have to do now is find the link between Alice and Mary :D
My husband's Hird family are from Arkengarthdale, have to go offline now but will have a look later to see if there are any links, I saw your other posting about them and will get back to it.
Kind regards,
Barbara
:)
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Felin,
Have you missed out a link between Elizabeth Mayor born 1737 and Alice Parkin born 1793 namely Mary Parkin born 1760-ish? Otherwise Elizabeth was 56 when Alice was born!!!!
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Hi,
Re Alice Hodgson bn 1820 Softley - on the 1851 census there is a Jonathan Coates/16/Servant/bn Cockfield with the Hodgson family at Softley.
Can send full census details if needed.
mim
Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Alpine cottage - thanks I will look into this discrepancy further.
Mim - Thanks for the offer but I think Barbara has found the missing link, it appears that Christopher Parkin m Elizabeth Mayor on the same day and same church as his sister Mary Parkin m John Coates ie 6 Dec 1777 - the teapot may have celebrated a birth of a child, or some other joint event.
Ralph
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Hi,
Sorry I got the wrong name (Alice instead of Anne) for the person born in 1820 a Softley but it is your Hodgson family in 1851. They have a son named Christopher Parkin Hodgson but you probably know all of this already! :)
mim
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Mim Thanks I did know but not through excessive research, but my Grandmother had almost every family fact written in her family bible.
It has been a dream doing this side of the family - not so with my Jones relatives.
Ralph
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I have a potential entry in my tree of the John Coates + Mary Parkin 1777 marriage. There's a John Coates born approximately 1780 married c1816 who is my GGGGrandfather. Still hoping to confirm the link in my site
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Nigel I was pleased to find out that John Coates married Mary Parkin the same day as her brother Christopher Parkin married Elizabeth Mayor (my GGGG grandparents) and the web site referred to on page 1 of this query has been of great help in my family research, I hope it helps you with your research, as I have no other information on John Coates.
Felin.
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Felin
I have been reading this thread with great interest and wondered if you had any information regarding the parents of Elizabeth Mayor as I think she may have been the sister of my ggggg grandmother Ann Mayor.
I can see baptisms on FS in Hamsterley for Elizabeth Mair in 1737 and Ann Mair, father William Mair. In Boyd's marriages there is a marriage of William Maire to Jane Lawson in 1722(he seems to have been transcribed as William Main in Genuki). There is an entry in the national burial index for William Mayer in Hamsterley 20/3/1750 b c 1688 and in the Cleveland MIs one transcribed as William Maer, 1688 -1750. I have found a probate bond from 1751 for a William Maine on the NE Inheritance database but his relict signs herself as Jane Mayor on the actual document. There is also a probate bond from 1716 for a John Maire, one of the signatures being William Mayer.
Ann Mayor, I believe, married John Hardy in 1755. He became a coal owner. I suspect his original partner was Christopher Parkin. The company ran Crakescar colliery and subsequently became Hardy, Kendall and Hodgson. Christopher Parkin left a will but I have only been able to locate the attached bond on FS. John Hardy (1811) and his son William (1817) both left a will. William's son John, I believe' married Jane Parkin, the daughter of Alice Parkin. Alice's sister Jane married Jonathan Kendal. Her will, written in 1831 but not proved until 1839, would make interesting reading, if you have not already seen it, as would that of her husband. The provisions of these wills certainly suggest that the Kendall interest in the colliery was through Jane.
Hope I have not rambled too much.
Regards
William
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Thanks very much for your interesting post re Elizabeth Mayor. Unfortunately, I have not researched her side of my family other than her birth in 1737 and her death 12/5/1820. I am related to Edward Hodgson who married their daughter Alice Parkin (my Mother was Alice Hodgson Begent).
I note that Alice Parkin's Sister Jane Parkin married Johnathon Kendall, and I have a note on my Grandmother's Bible saying he was a cabinet maker from Kendall.
Unknown to me the old teapot was sold by my Brother and therefore is no longer in my family's ownership.such a shame.
Thank you for your informative entry.