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Title: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Monday 02 February 09 23:34 GMT (UK)
Having just found out the real identity of my great grandfather (grandfather was 'adopted'), I have come to a standstill.

I thought this discovery (thanks to the 1911 census) after so many years of searching was a major breakthrough, but the reality is that the line seems to have disappeared!

There were three children of Auguste Durand DesLongrais who arrived from France with wife Marie around 1860:  Augustine Marie Thereze, Arthur Auguste and Antoine.  Arthur Auguste was my great grandfather.  He was born 1863.  I have census records for the family from 1861 to 1871, then for Arthur and Antoine from 1881 to 1911.  Augustine Marie Des Longrais (known as Marie) disappears after 1971 along with her father, her mother having died in 1880.

Arthur had one child with his wife Gertrude Marion Gilbert; born Dorothy Marie Des Longrais. She died a spinster in 1984. He had two illegitimate chidren after dorothy with Mercy Marks - my grandfather and Muriel, both given up for adoption.  They were given the name Lawrence (father's name Arthur Day Lawrence) Muriel died without children.  My grandfather had one child - my father. Arthur Auguste's brother Antoine married an older woman and does not appear to have had children. 

After such a long search to find the real identity of my great grandfather, is there really no-one left?

A search to find real family has ended abruptly.  Of the three children of Auguste Durand Des Longrais, and at least three grandchildren, it seems extraordinary that my father was the only one to make it to the next generation.  And to find so much over the last six years, I am stunned that there is no-one that has any memories, photos or history to share.

Is there really no-one out there? :'(
Tracy
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: kanskar on Tuesday 03 February 09 12:27 GMT (UK)
I wonder if this is the missing sister:

Marriage - Fulham - Jun 1888 Qtr

Augustine Marie (or Marie Augustine) De La Gree - Alfred Louis A Hoerz


I've found them on the 1901 Index to 1901 Online in Willesden.

Alfred is aged 40 born Germany (Teacher of Languages), Augusta is aged 38 born France. There does not seem to be any children with them.

Kanskar
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Tuesday 03 February 09 12:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Kanskar

Thank you for that.  I had seen the marriage  and do agree that it might be worth buying the certificate.  His occupation would fit as Marie's father was a teacher of languages.  Marie's age would have been around 40 in 1901, so would be a reasonable fit with this one.

Can you give me the reference for the 1901 - have just done a quick search and can't find them.

By the looks of it, Marie would be the only chance of finding descendents.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: posteria on Tuesday 03 February 09 12:48 GMT (UK)
Hello

The same couple appear on the 1891 census at the same address ....

Hendon RG12/104 Folio 96 Page 12

Alfred Hoerz Head M 28 Teacher of Modern Language Germany (Naturalised British Subject)
Augusta do Wife M 28 France
Harriett Baker Servant S 24 General Servant Domestic Hants Southampton

60 Glengall Road, Willesden

The 1901 census reference is Hendon RG13/1223 Folio 55 Page 37

posteria
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Tuesday 03 February 09 13:16 GMT (UK)
Got them - thank you.  If this was her the lack of children would fit! 

I've just had a look for Hoerz on the 1911 with no success.  I would have thought that if there were going to have children, they would have had them by 1901 anyway!

I think I will have to buy the marriage cert, if only to eliminate her.

The only other option I can think of is that Marie and her father returned to France after her mother's death, but they had been in this country for twenty years at that  point, and both sons stayed here, so I can't think why he would do that.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: kanskar on Tuesday 03 February 09 13:31 GMT (UK)
Tracy - I don't think this her now  :(.

I've found that Augustine Marie T was born in Staffordshire (Penkridge Reg Dist) in 1860, not France.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Tuesday 03 February 09 18:14 GMT (UK)
I absolutely don't think this rules her out.  Where did you find the birth record?  I have Augustine Marie Thereze Deslongrais as born in Sept Q 1860, Penkridge 11a 844.  It looks as though she was born here shortly after her parents arrived in the UK, although one of her brothers was also born in Wales on later census he claims to have been born in Warwickshire.

Marie DesLongrais appears on the 1861 census with just her mother aged 8 months and it looks as though they have recently arrived in Wales (they were listed in a hotel, then crossed out and listed elswhere as though they may have just left the hotel??).  On that census, her birthplace is listed as Pembrokeshire, Tenby.  On the 1871 census it is also still Pembrokeshire, Tenby, although they are now living in Warwickshire. 

Was the birth you found for De la Gree or Deslongrais?

Confusing myself now :-\

Tracy
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: kanskar on Tuesday 03 February 09 21:14 GMT (UK)
Tracy - It's the same reference for her as you have. Penkridge Reg District is in Staffordshire.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Tuesday 03 February 09 21:49 GMT (UK)
That's a bit odd then, as on two census documents she claims to have been born in Wales!  It surely must be the same person as it such an unusual surname.  That's another cert to order then!

It isn't too far fetched then that a claim to be born in France comes along later.  This makes less sense that she goes to France with her father after her mother dies in 1880 as she was born here and he had been away for at least 20 years , but there is really no trace of either of them (mother died in Warwick reg district).

Tracy
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: JAP on Tuesday 03 February 09 23:03 GMT (UK)
Hello Tracy,

Have you searched the National Archives?

There are two hits for Deslongrais.

One is:
FO  Records created and inherited by the Foreign Office
Division within FO  Records of Consular Courts and other extra-territorial jurisdiction
FO 841  Foreign Office: Consulate, Cairo, Egypt: Court Records
Subseries within FO 841  CONSULAR COURT CASES                 
FO 841/73  Consular court cases
Estate of the decd. Auguste DESLONGRAIS, date 1902

The other is:
Online Document WO 372/6
Medal Card of DESLONGRAIS Gaston D London Regiment 766015 Private Royal Fusiliers 95482 Private Intelligence 766015 . Medal Card of Deslongrais Gaston D London Regiment 766015 Private Royal Fusiliers 95482 Private Intelligence 766015 Date range: 1914 - 1920.

I see that you list Auguste (the father) as Auguste Durand DesLongrais.
A Google for:
Deslongrais
brings up quite a number of hits for people named X Durand Deslongrais.
Perhaps some of these are related?  Perhaps descended from an earlier generation?

Good luck,

JAP
Edit just to put two more names in bold
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: JAP on Tuesday 03 February 09 23:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Tracy,

Images of the Medal Card and the Attestation of Gaston Durand DESLONGRAIS can be viewed on Ancestry.  Not much information.  In 1917 he was a Solicitor's Clerk at Blythe, Green Jourdin & Co Ltd, 47-51 King William St, E.C.4.  He was aged 26.  It has the following note at the top "Overseas Recruit O.T.C."

There are also 6 relatively recent DESLONGRAIS births in England, and 3 with mother's name as DESLONGRAIS.

And some records under DES LONGRAIS (i.e. with a space).

JAP
Edit just to put names in bold.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Wednesday 04 February 09 07:44 GMT (UK)
Wow!  JAP thank you. I had noticed the Gaston Deslongrais on Ancestry but haven't been able to find a solid link at the moment.

The Foreign Office stuff is very exciting!  I know from an early census that his wife was born in France, and assumed that Auguste was.  However, I have no proof of that.  So he could either have gone to Eygypt to to work or could inded have been from there.

I did come across a reference to the Deslongrais name in a French book from 1850 called Assemble Nationale Comique.  As far as my school french can make out, it is a humerous take on the state of the government around the time of the mini-revolution in Paris in 1848.  I cannot work out who this Deslongrais was (or even if the book is a fiction!), but I was trying to find a link as to why a French couple would leave France around that time and turn up in Wales! Could this connect, if he was a senior official of some sort I wonder, with him going to Egypt - very tenuous, but intriguing!

I discovered some Deslongrais births on Ancestry yesterday with the new searchable births 1916-2005 (when did they arrive!) and am going to look again today and try to make some sense of it all.

Thank you so much for all of that.  If you have any other brainwaves......... :)
Tracy
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: JAP on Wednesday 04 February 09 08:12 GMT (UK)
Hello again Tracy,

Yes, that Foreign Office reference does look interesting.  Fingers crossed!
Wouldn't it be great if it is "your" Auguste (which seems likely).  And even better if it turned out that he had left England some time soon after 1880 when his wife died and before the 1881 census (either for Egypt or for elsewhere and later travelled to Egypt) and had taken daughter Marie with him.

I was also interested to see that a Google revealed quite a number of DURAND DESLONGRAIS people - including some in Australia as I recall.

It would be most exciting to find other direct descendants of your Gggfather Auguste Durand DESLONGRAIS.
But if it turns out that your father was the only one who carried on the line, then I guess the next best thing would be to find descendants from Auguste's father, grandfather or whatever ...

Best of luck with the FO document,

JAP
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Wednesday 04 February 09 11:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks JAP

Co-incidently, I have just received an email via Facebook from an Australian Deslongrais!

I emailed every Durand Delongrais and Deslongrais that I found on Facebook yesterday and voila!!  This particular person tells me that her family emigrated from Mauritius to Australia 20 years ago, but believe they originate from France.  She is very keen to hear more and is contacting her mother's family who are still in Mauritius for any more info.  Apparently they have been meaning to look into their family history for some time. Who knows where that may lead!

As you say, distant family is better than none!  And with your information, I might yet find Marie and possible descendents.

Next stop - Kew!

Tracy :)
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Sunday 15 February 09 16:54 GMT (UK)
Hi again

Well I am happy to report that I made it to Kew yesterday and the FO document for Auguste Deslongrais was the right one!

I have copies of the entire file which was the Consular Court of Cairo documents regarding the estate of Auguste Deslongrais who died intestate in Cairo in 1902.  He was apparently the Secretary of the Suez Canal Company! I guess they must have gone between 1881 and 1891 as Auguste's wife died in Warwick in 1880 and they don'tappear on the 1891 census.

It also solves the mystery of where his daughter Marie had gone, as she was with him in Cairo (calling herself Mary) and was making the claim to administer his estate.  There was even mention of Arthur being in Leamington.

Marie was single, and I have since found her death record in Cairo in 1950, aged 90, still single!  My last chance of there being any descendents of the family.

The file itself is fascinating - a large number of official documents from the court plus dozens of receipts for payments Marie made to settle his accounts.  One, from a provisions company shows that the day he died he received four bottles of white wine, one bottle of whisky, half a bottle of Courviosier, half a kilo of chocolate and some syrup of strawberries!!

As most of the receipts are in French, it will take some time to figure it all out.  One thing I can't decipher is his address.  It looks like T(J)ewfikieh Quarter, Cairo.  Have searched for a quarter in Cairo that would fit, with no luck.  Any suggestions?

Can't thank JAP enough for finding this for me :)

I wonder how Marie fared alone in Egypt for the rest of her life - a woman born in Wales to French parents with both her brothers remaining in England.

Tracy
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: JAP on Monday 16 February 09 00:55 GMT (UK)
Hello Tracy,

I am so very pleased for you.

Here are a couple of articles which refer to the Tewfikia quarter:

http://www.egy.com/landmarks/98-10-29.shtml

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Cairo_(Egypt)
Sorry - this link doesn't seem to work.
I got there by Googling for
ismailia + map + tewfikia
It was the second hit.

Spellings seem to vary greatly e.g. Tawfiqiya

JAP
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 17:50 BST (UK)
Hi,

In Dijon in 1844, death record (death 20/12/1844, declaration 21/12/1844)

Death of Marie Joseph Henriette DURAND DESLONGRAIS wife FARAGUET

36 years old, native of Maurice (England), daughter of Denis Louis DURAND, notaire, and Joséphine JOCET DESLONGRAIS, his wife, both deceased, wife of Antoine Henri FARAGUET, owner

Rue du Fillot n° 12

Same day (death and declaration 21/12/1844), death of Anna Claudine Victorine FARAQUET, 4 days, daughter of Antoine Henry FARAGUET and the late Marie Joseph Henriette DURAND DESLONGRAIS.

DURAND, Denis (FranceArchives) - Archives de France
https://francearchives.fr/fr/pniaagent/19077593
Fonds : Minutes et répertoires du notaire Denis CHANTEMERLE, 1562 - 29 mars ... à la requête de Denis Louis Durand, demeurant au Port Louis, Ile Maurice.

NOTAIRES [ILE MAURICE] : Divers
www.cgmrgenealogie.org › ... › NOTAIRES [ILE MAURICE](Divers)
1804, DURAND Denis Louis, JOCET DES LONGAIS Marie Joseph, Contrat de Mariage, Détails. 11. 1805, DURAND Jacques Dit Cadet, NO Charles Paschal ...

Marie Joseph JOCET DES LONGRAIS is the widow of Pierre POUEY

http://gw.geneanet.org/hmaurel?n=durand&oc=&p=denis+louis
http://gw.geneanet.org/amamaurice?n=durand&oc=&p=denis+louis

Her parents are Charles Malo JACET DESLONGRAIS and Marie Marthe NORMAND.

Marriage in 1766 in Rochefort, Saint-Louis parish (14/JUL/1766)

http://www.archinoe.net/v2/ad17/visualiseur/registre.html?id=170032239

Frame 92/211

Parents :

- Nicolas JOCET and + Perrine Hélène MACEY
- + Antoine NORMAND and Marie Magdeleine CAILLAUD

His occupation :  commis de la marine in Rochefort like his father if I understand correctly

Poivre recommande M. des Longrais - Pierre Poivre et Compagnie.
www.pierre-poivre.fr/doc-68-11-mois.pdf
Poivre recommande M. des Longrais ... 1 On trouve une petite bio de Charles-Malo Jocet des Longrais dans Bougainville et ses compagnons … t.1, p.443.

Antoine NORMAND was a merchant.

The given name Malo can be explained by the origin of Nicolas JACET. He got married in Saint-Malo in 1740 (26/APR/1740). After the death of his wife, he remarried there in 1765 (17/JAN/1765).

http://archives-en-ligne.ille-et-vilaine.fr/thot_internet/FrmLotDocFrame.asp?idlot=140108/140109&idfic=0376442&resX=1920&resY=1080&init=1

Frame 16/61

Nicolas JOCET, sieur des Longrais, marchand de vins en gros, 42 years old

He is a son of the late Germain JOCET and the late Françoise DESCHAMPS, widower of Guillemette PENEC.

http://gw.geneanet.org/samlap?n=jocet&oc=&p=germain

Perinne Helenne MACEY is 28 and a half, daughter of Gaud MACEY, sieur de la Vigne, and Servanne BLANCHET, both deceased.

David

and http://gw.geneanet.org/racap25?n=jocet&oc=&p=germain

 











Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: Tracy1303 on Wednesday 26 July 17 18:18 BST (UK)
Wow David!

This is a LOT of information!  How did you find it all?  This is going to take a bit of piecing together to understand.  I know the family were Notaires in Mauritius.

I will get on to this tomorrow and try to see where all this fits.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 18:22 BST (UK)
Antoine Normand, marchand de vin, married Marie Madeleine CAILLAUD in 1739 in Rochefort, Saint-Louis Parish (10/FEB/1739)

http://www.archinoe.net/v2/ad17/visualiseur/registre.html?id=170032389

Frame 47/109

Son of Pierre NORMAND and Marie NORMANDIN

He comes from Villeneuve, Chassors parish en Saintonge. I guess it's http://www.mairie-chassors.fr/villeneuve-commune-de-chassors.php

She is 16 years old. Daughter of the late Nicolas CAILLAUD and Marie Madeleine BOUYER. She is a native of Rochefort.

13/JAN/1721 Rochefort, Saint-Louis parish, marriage record of Nicolas CAILLAUD, marchand de bois, and Madeleine BOUYER

Parents :

- + René CAILLAUD, maître menuisier, and + Marie BONNET. The groom comes from Les Essarts, Saint-Porchaire paris, in Saintonge http://www.coeurdesaintonge.fr/nos-communes/les-essards/
- François BOUYER, marchand, and Marie AURARD

http://www.archinoe.net/v2/ad17/visualiseur/registre.html?id=170032214

Frame 2/374
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 18:53 BST (UK)
http://gw.geneanet.org/hmaurel?n=durand&oc=&p=denis+louis
tells us that the parents of Denis Louis DURAND were Louis Henry DURAND and Marie Henriette DUVAL

There is an entry on Geneanet for their son Amand Louis DURAND

http://gw.geneanet.org/pdelaubier?n=durand&oc=&p=louis+henri

and a very useful record

http://www.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/4513/306

Louis Henry DURAND is mentioned in the record as a secrétaire du roi, ancien notaire

and it gives us the names of relatives like Jean Baptiste Denis LEMPEREUR, maternal grant uncle, Louis Alexandre MOUETTE, maternal uncle ...

As most of the records of Paris are lost, that kind of information is very precious.







Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 19:05 BST (UK)
The banns for the marriage of Denis Louis DURAND and Marie Joseph JOCET DESLONGRAIS can bee seen online

Ile de France, Pamplemousses, 20 brumaire an XIII (revolutionary calendar)

http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/pix2web.php?territoire=ILE%20DE%20FRANCE&commune=PAMPLEMOUSSES&annee=1804

Frame 20

Son of + Louis Henri DURAND, notaire, and Marie Thérèse Henriette DUVAL

The marriage record is view 21, 30 brumaire an XIII



Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 19:19 BST (UK)
https://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Au_del%C3%A0_de_l%27Etat-Civil_-_75_-_localisation_des_%C3%A9tudes_-_en_1770

His professional address in 1770

97    Louis-Henri DURAND    Place Dauphine, près le pont-Neuf
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 19:23 BST (UK)
The uncle Louis Alexandre MOUETTE :

http://gw.geneanet.org/bedenis?n=mouette&oc=&p=louis+alexandre

His wife was Marie Valérie DUVAL, daughter of Abraham Louis DUVAL and Marie Louise LEMPEREUR

http://gw.geneanet.org/gonemichet?lang=fr&pz=christian&nz=doyen&ocz=0&p=abraham+louis&n=duval


Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 26 July 17 19:36 BST (UK)
Wow David!

This is a LOT of information!  How did you find it all?  This is going to take a bit of piecing together to understand.  I know the family were Notaires in Mauritius.

I will get on to this tomorrow and try to see where all this fits.

Thank you!

I am pretty sure that your ancestor Auguste DURAND DESLONGRAIS is a descendant of Denis Louis DURAND and Marie Joseph JOCET DESLONGRAIS.

Are his parents Louis Armand Charles DURAND DESLONGRAIS and Marie Emma ICERY (+ 1893) ?

If he is their son, Denis Louis DURAND is his great-grand-father.






Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: Tracy1303 on Sunday 30 July 17 10:51 BST (UK)
I am somewhat overwhelmed with all this info and don't know quite where to start.  My knowledge of Auguste starts when he arrives here. His daughters death cert states 'daughter of Louis Marie Auguste Deslongrais born at Port Louis, Mauritius 1840'. On his children's birth certificates in the early 1860s he gives his name as 'Auguste Durand Deslongrais' his wife was Marie Nebodon (Neboden?). I also have a record of him studying at the Inner Temple in 1855 which states he is the 2nd son of Henri Durand Deslongrais of Port Louis, barrister-ar-law.

The using of different parts of thei names doesn't help clarify things!

I can't see which of the records you have given me links back to these Durand Deslongrais, probably as you seem to have gone further back than any knowledge I have.

Does any of this tie in?  Are you connected to this family?

P.s.  My sister was recently in Mauritius and, despite visiting the records office in person, was still unable to get the birth or marriage certificates!
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 30 July 17 17:09 BST (UK)
https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&id=FWkNAAAAIAAJ&dq=deslongrais+mauritius&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=deslongrais

DESLONGRAIS Louis Marie Auguste Durand, 2d son of Henry DURAND DESLONGRAIS of Port-Louis, Mauritius, bar. at law. Born 1837.

So his father is a Henry DURAND DESLONGRAIS and he has two sons.

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Henri MAUREL, a specialist, mentions Louis Marie Henry DURAND DESLONGRAIS, as a son of Denis Louis DURAND and Marie JOCET DESLONGRAIS.

http://gw.geneanet.org/hmaurel?lang=fr&p=louis+marie+henry&n=durand

Marriage in 1832 to Louise Julie Mimi GOUREL de SAINT PERN

He was born in 1805 in Port-Louis

http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/pix2web.php?territoire=ILE%20DE%20FRANCE&commune=PORT-LOUIS&annee=1805&typeacte=AC_NA

Frame 25

Son of Denis Louis DURAND, notaire, and Marie JOCET DESLONGRAIS

(Notaire from 1791 to 1809

http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/ir?num=20&referer=nominatif&q=&ir=FRANOM_00038&persname_authfilenumber=1248&start=1)

The death record of his sister Marie Joseph Henriette DURAND DESLONGRAIS in Dijon clearly shows that the family name DURAND DESLONGRAIS is the association of her father's name and half of her mother's name (nom de branche). They belonged to the bourgeoisie and there were other DURANDS on the island. DESLONGRAIS made a difference and added some prestige to a very common French name. It also indicates the maternal lineage (mother born on the island and certainly better known by the locals than a newcomer).

A long record describing a good part of their grandfather's carreer (Charles Malo JOCET DESLONGRAIS)

http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/p2w/?dossier=/collection/INVENTAIRES/Ministeres/SEM/E/&first=241_349B/FRCAOM06_COLE_241349B_0677&last=241_349B/FRCAOM06_COLE_241349B_0876&title=Jocet-Deslongrais,+Charles+Malo,+ancien+commissaire+de+la+Marine,+et+sa+fille+Marie+Madeleine,+%C3%A9pouse+divorc%C3%A9e+de+Advisard+(Joseph+Guillaume),+capitaine+au+r%C3%A9giment+de+l%27%C3%AEle+de+France+1755/an+II

Henry DURAND DESLONGRAIS has at least one son, Louis Armand Charles DURAND DESLONGRAIS, husband of Marie Emma ICERY.

REPERTOIRE DES MINUTES DES NOTAIRES DE L'ILE MAURICE
https://www.cg974.fr/culture/.../418-10-J-et-1-MIANM-Notaires-de-l-île-Maurice.html
Etude DURAND-DESLONGRAIS. 1867-1891. Louis- ...... Pamplemousses. HARSCHER (Jean Henri) ... DURAND-DESLONGRAIS (Louis Armand). DURRANS ...

South African Commercial Advertiser 1842 - 2 - April to June - eGGSA ...
https://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.../53-sac-1842-apr-jun
Traduire cette page
In the Independent Chapel on Tuesday 22nd March by the Rev Henry ... by the Rev J Griffith, Adr. Louis Henry Durand DES LONGRAIS, of Mauritius, to Leontine ...

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On Findmypast, there is an entry for

Deslongrais    Auguste D    —    —    1860    Index To Register Of Passport Applications 1851-1903    —

I can't see the record. Does it give some interesting details ?

There is also

Deslongrais    Samuel D    —    —    1860    Index To Register Of Passport Applications 1851-1903    —

You said that Auguste DURAND DESLONGRAIS arrived around 1860 and his wife, Marie, gave birth to a daughter in 1860.

Is it because of her death certificate that you know Marie's maiden name ?

Deslongrais    Marie    1824    1880    1880    England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007    Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Place of birth in the 1871 census ?

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The way I feel things Auguste is the second son of Louis Marie Henry DURAND LESLONGRAIS and his wife née GOUREL de SAINT PERN and a grandson of Denis Louis DURAND and Marie Joseph DURAND DESLONGRAIS.

As you couldn't find his birth record in Port-Louis, we can deduce he was born somewhere else (unless some records are missing).

If you could be sure of the maiden name of his wife Marie and her birthplace, maybe there is a chance to find their marriage record. Hopefully, they got married in France.















 










Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 30 July 17 18:25 BST (UK)
It coud be NEBAUDON.

You said somewhere that Marie was a native of Clerremont in France.

A Marie Louise Sophie NEBAUDON was born in Clermont-Ferrant in 1826 (14/10/1826)

http://www.archivesdepartementales.puydedome.fr/ark:/72847/vta9c20f64477848475/daogrp/0/layout:table/idsearch:RECH_498e33ab613a9b06d3a65d6d77527207

Frame 168/219

Father Antoine NEBAUDON (signature NEBODON), 53 years old
Mother : Marguerite URBAINS

Employé comme piéton à la préfecture du département du Puy-de-Dôme et chevalier de la Légion d'honneur.

http://www.culture.gouv.fr/LH/LH172/PG/FRDAFAN83_OL1979021V001.htm

He passed away in 1843 leaving 8 children. Among them, Marie NEBODON wife of Antoine HEYRAUD.
His wife name is spelled URBANS

The record includes a copy of their marriage certificate in 1806 (16/AUG/1806) in Deuxponts. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deux-Ponts
Antoine NEBAUDON, 33 years old, son of Jacques NEBAUDON and Marie MATHIEU, and Marguerite URBANS, 23 years old, daughter of Jean Pierre URBANS and Anne Marie ARNVEILER (or a name close). She is a native of Lay, mairie de Winningen, département de Rhin et Moselle (it's near Koblenz in Germany).

Antoine NEBAUDON was a native of Veyre-Monton (Puy-de-Dôme) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veyre-Monton

Marie NEBAUDON married Antoine HEYRAUD in 1841 in Clermont-Ferand (30/06/1841). She is 17 and a half. Antoine HEYRAUD is 23 and a half. He is a jeweler.
Marie NEBAUDON was born in Nebouzat on November 15th 1823.

Next step, check if Antoine HEYRAUD passed away before 1859.















Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 30 July 17 18:40 BST (UK)
You know that Marie NEBAUDON is at least ten years older than Auguste DURAND DESLONGRAIS.
She could have been a widow.

My fear : that Antoine HEYRAUD and his wife left Clermont-Ferrand and went to Paris where at least two siblings of Marie NEBAUDON moved before the death of their father.

Louise NEBODON got married in 1855 in Montauban

http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg82.fr/visu_affiche.php?PHPSID=rka5esuaaigu8fmevva8v0on54&param=visu&page=1&pagecss=etat_civil

Frame 23/52

http://gw.geneanet.org/chevallier1?lang=fr&pz=charlotte&nz=de+villespassans&ocz=0&p=marie+louise+sophie&n=nebodon

Well, nothing conclusive so far.


Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: Tracy1303 on Monday 31 July 17 13:12 BST (UK)
This is incredible!!  So many years trying to get anything before Auguste and you have cracked it!  I have found various bits over the years, but my schoolgirl French and lack of knowledge of French genealogy have been big barriers.

Marie did appear in the 1861 census with baby Marie (no Auguste) in Swansea.  I am trying to find that record again but it was mis-transcribed and I can't recall the name.  That was the record that stated a birthplace of Clermont (an upgrade to my tree software has wiped a lot of the media and detail.  I will get on to Find my Past and let you know what detail those records contain.

Some of the links are sending me to a blank page.
 
Marie's maiden name appears on all of her children's birth certificates. 
When my sister visited the records office in Port Louis, the obstacle seemed to be that we did not know exact location of the birth just that it was Port Louis. 

I can't thank you enough for all this information. 




Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Monday 31 July 17 13:47 BST (UK)
It's not sure yet that Marie NEBAUDON, the one born in 1823, is your ancestress.

In 1837, Mr DURAND DESLONGRAIS (which one, the father or the son ?) seems to live in Port-Louis. On May 6th 1837, confirmation de l'affranchissement du service de l'apprentissage de Philogène L'INDOLENTE, âgé de 20 ans, apprenti appartenant à M. DURAND DESLONGRAIS.

Same thing for Henry LA REINE, 28 years old, in 1833. Cet apprenti appartenant à Made DURAND DESLONGRAIS.

http://www.info-mauritius.com/france/abolition-de-l-esclavage-ile-maurice.html

Le Retour à la Liberté

A la suite du vote du Slavery Abolition Act en 1833 par le Parlement britannique, et après les réticences venant des propriétaires d’esclaves eurent été estompées par la mise en place du system d’apprentissage*.

La soumission de l’abolition servile fut abolie à Maurice en 1835 par le régime Britannique.

Inscrit au patrimoine mondial de l’humanité par l’UNESCO en 2008, la montagne du Morne Brabant et ses environs représentent le symbole de la lutte et la résistance des marrons (esclaves fugitifs) à l’île Maurice. *Le système de l’apprentissage prescrivait que les esclaves devaient continuer à travailler pour leurs propriétaires en tant qu’apprentis pendant encore quelques années, après quoi ils étaient émancipés et les propriétaires étaient par la suite indemnisés.
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Antoine Henri FARAGUET, the widower of Marie Joseph Henriette DURAND DESLONGRAIS, remarried in Paris (8th arrondissement) in 1860 (25/10/1860). He married Lise Reine RUTAULT, born in Paris in 1821. They had a child, a girl, out of wedlock in Dole (Jura) in 1851 (05/02/1851).
Antoine Henri FARAGUET died in Paris (12th arrondissement) in 1869 (15/06/1869). He was a maths teacher.


Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Monday 31 July 17 16:39 BST (UK)
Hi again,  my brain has gone into meltdown! Trying to read the French documents together with the names repeating!!  I will send the clearest of Marie's maiden name as written on a birth certificate.  Unfortunately, some of the links you provided didn't work, but hopefully I have the main points. Would you be kind enough to retry the link giving the career history of Charles Malo Jocet Deslongrais and the one for the birth of Marie Nebodon.  Thank you.

Does it seem strange that a couple would leave Mauritius and travel, firstly, to Wales before moving to Warwickshire?  Although Auguste was called to the bar after studying at the Inner Temple, records show that he never worked in law choosing to teach French instead.

The passport records you found show Auguste D Delongrais and Samuel D Deslongrais applying for a passport on 24th February 1860. No other details. This is the first time I have come across a Samuel, but it gave no info regarding age or relationship.

Thank you so much for all your work and help
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Monday 31 July 17 18:35 BST (UK)
For the career history of Charles Malo JOCET DESLONGRAIS, it's a problem with JAVA. Upload JAVA and use IE.

For the birth record of Marie, I gave you no link. Only one for the birth record of her sister Marie "Louise" Sophie NEBAUDON. http://www.archivesdepartementales.puydedome.fr/ark:/72847/vta9c20f64477848475/daogrp/0/168

The birth record of Marie NEBAUDON in 1823 in Nébouzat

http://www.archivesdepartementales.puydedome.fr/ark:/72847/vtaa23df7de495ce445/daogrp/0/24
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Saturday 05 August 17 14:26 BST (UK)
There is nothing else I can do for you.

May be a professional in Mauritius could help you to find the birth record of Auguste DURAND DESLONGRAIS. It's a key record.

http://gw.geneanet.org/jrussell2?lang=fr&pz=julie+myriam+jacqueline&nz=series&ocz=0&p=louise+augustine&n=gourel+de+saint+pern

http://gw.geneanet.org/ruche?lang=fr&pz=jean+edouard+jacques&nz=ruche&ocz=0&p=louise+julie+minie&n=gourel+de+saint+pern

http://www.racines-des-mascareignes.fr/crbst_882.html

"GOUREL de SAINT PERN Louis Claude Hyacinthe :  23 août 2011

ondoyé le 5 avril 1744 à Pont-Scorff (Morbihan), (pas trouvé le baptême à date mais il semblerait qu'il soit baptisé le 2 novembre 1756 à Brest - 12 ans plus tard !), fils de Claude Anne GOUREL, Sr de SAINT PERN, originaire de Lannion (Côtes d'Armor) et de Yolande Thérèse Perrine TAILLARD, Dame de PENVERN (mariés à Lannion - 22 - le 25 août 1733)
Ecrivain des colonies, Contrôleur de la Marine (1783), Ordonnateur (1798-1803), il épouse Marie Anne CHASTEIGNER de PARADIS (1763-1804) le 31 janvier 1780 à Pamplemousses, ils auront ensemble au moins 10 enfants.
Il décédera à Rivière Noire le 20 avril 1811."

http://gw.geneanet.org/jrussell2?lang=fr&pz=julie+myriam+jacqueline&nz=series&ocz=0&p=louise+augustine&n=gourel+de+saint+pern

Artus Joseph TAILLART and Françoise PEAN got married in 1691 (31/07/1691) in Tréguier, Saint-Vincent de l'Hôpital parish

http://sallevirtuelle.cotesdarmor.fr/EC/ecx/consult.aspx?image=060653582247536

Frame 180/278

A descendant of that couple just told me that Françoise PEAN is linked to Hugh CAPET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Capet
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Sunday 06 August 17 12:04 BST (UK)
Looking at the two trees on those links it appears that both sisters married Henry. The previous record you found for me was for Louise Julie Mimi marrying.  Has one of those tree owners made an error or am I missing something?

You have helped me so much - a thousand thanks yous :)
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 06 August 17 12:30 BST (UK)
That's why I gave you the two links because there is a difference in the given names. The parents are the same. I don't know if there are two sisters or it's a single person. I don't have access to those records for further checking.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: TracyL on Sunday 06 August 17 15:50 BST (UK)
I see. Thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 06 August 17 18:19 BST (UK)
The ancestry of Françoise PEAN

http://gw.geneanet.org/quellec?lang=fr&iz=3014&m=A&p=francoise&n=pean&oc=3&sosab=10&color=&t=N&v=56

I don't know how much of the tree is reliable. The owner has a good reputation but when it goes that far, it's difficult to be sure. The sources often contradict themselves.

You will find plenty of famous people in the Middle Ages like : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine
Title: Re: Des Longrais - serious help needed!
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 06 August 17 18:29 BST (UK)
Capedia - La descendance capétienne - Genroy
genroy.fr/geneal8/geneal.php?x...
"Le 20 novembre 1695, Louis Péan, sieur du Bois de la Haye et Catherine de Kerbouric sa femme, fondaient quatre messes en la cathédrale à l'intention ...