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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Sisterjane on Monday 02 February 09 18:00 GMT (UK)
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Do you think this is the same lady..Search as I might I cant find a marriage for them..worse still I cant find a surname for her
Heres what I have
1901 Cencus-Nether Hoyland-Yorkshire
RG13/4321/39/14
25 Silver St
John H Longbottom 48 head b Brighouse Bricklayer
Luce " 44 wife b Sheffield
W Dale " 19 son b "
Ive never been totally convinced of the "W" next to the Dale!! and he isnt the child of John Longbottom.
Then in 1911-Nether Hoyland
John Henry Longbottom 64 head b Brighouse Brickmaker
Ellen " 54 b Sheffield
It says married 18yrs
Do you think Luce/Ellen are the same lady ?
Can any one see a marriage for them?
Im going square eyed with my search!!!!!
Thank you
Jane
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I couldn't see a John Henry but I found this.
Longbottom John Halifax 9a 660
Stubbs Ellen Halifax 9a 660
Might be difficult to confirm if they never had any children.
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There's a marriage for a John LONGBOTTOM on the same page as Ellen STUBBS in Sept ¼ 1892 in Halifax district (9a 660) and it would fit datewise too. It also crosses with an IGI extraction for a marriage dated 6 Aug 1892 of John marrying Ellen STUBBS.
Hope this helps
~ Claire
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Hiya
Maybe the only way round this is to find the birth cert / baptism record to get the full info on mum,.
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Hi Claire and Ellen
Thank you very much for your replies and I had seen this marriage and Ive not dismissed it either..but the "W Dale Longbottom" I had thought that perhaps the Dale might be a clue to his mothers name ???...
I will go through the Ellen Stubbs again to see if it brings anything else up.. ;D ;)
Thanks again your efforts are very much appreciated
Jane
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Hi Doodle
Id gladly purchase any cert LOL!! if it sorted this out..
I should have said that according to the 1911 cencus she had 5 children but only 1 survived and im assuming that"W Dale" is the surviving child.. ??? ???
Jane
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Oops I forgot to put the date of the marriage I found. :-[
Possible births for W Dale:
quarter 1 1878
Dale William Percy Sheffield 9c 511
quarter 2 1880
Dale Walter Ledger Sheffield 9c 510
quarter 2 1883
DALE William James Sheffield 9c 539
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Hazel..thanks for those births..
Ive never been sure that the "W" is actually a "W"...do you have access to the 1901 images?..if you have maybe you would take a look and see what you think.. :o
Thanks again
Jane
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I'm with FindMyPast and they haven't put Yorkshire on the 1901 yet. >:(
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Hi
I've just had a look at the image and I don't think it is a W, more like an N. There is a William further up the page and it doesn't look the same.
Are you able to post the image so others can have a look ?
Evie
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Here is the image.....hopefully 8) 8)
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That looks like an 'N' to me, written like a large 'n' shape for upper case - I find that sort of thing a lot in the written records I'm using for my PhD (try reading Victorian doctors' handwriting - uurgh!). Also, loads of my family have been confusing me by interchangeably using first/middle names on different censuses - a Richard morphed into a William, but they estimated different birth years on different censuses, but then it transpired everyone knew him as Bob. His son was called Alfred John, and he flits between those and Jack - maybe that's what's going on here? Does anything come up for 'Ellen Luce(or Lucy)' or vice versa, perhaps trying it with both surnames?
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Hiya
Could it by any chance be an "R" Maybe fit with Robert Dale Longbotham birth 1884 Jan quarter
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