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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: moonraker 1937 on Monday 02 February 09 13:06 GMT (UK)
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I don't know if someone can help me, please
In 1911 census I have found
Sheppard Florence Head Married (i believe that should be widowed) age 51 b Oxford
O'connor James Son " " 26 Hackney
O'connor Mabel D-I-L " " 26 "
O'connor Theresa Gr/daug 1 Leyton
O'connor Ethel Daug Single 22 Hackney
O'connor Arthur Son " 17 "
On James marr.cert (1909) his father listed as
Brian R O'connor deceased
I have not been able to find a marriage between Florence and Brian est. (1880-1884)
I have also not been able to find a birth of Florence Sheppard
Any assistance appriciated.
David
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i to cannot find a birth for a florence sheppard
but on the 1891 census florence is down as florence.e.o'connor and brian is down as brian.r.o'connor
there is a marriage in 1882 in wolverhampton of a brian.r.o'connor and on the same page is a florence ellen watson
could florence sheppard be a married name from a second marr after brian died?
might be worth a look for a marriage between florence o'connor and a mr sheppard.
having said that i cannot find a florence ellen watson born oxford birth.
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sussed it
florence was married twice first to brian o'connor in 1882
then to james charles sheppard in 1903 in edmonton
here is the index
name; florence ellen o'connor
y.o.r. 1903
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. edmonton
vol. 3a
page. 742
on the same page is james charles sheppard.
and here is the first marr
name . florence ellen watson
y.o.r. 1882
qtr. oct/nov/dec
dist. wolverhampton.
vol. 6b
page. 1062.
on the same page brian robert o'connor
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and here is florence in 1881 census before her marriage
RG11/2797/104/20
james watson age 67. b. banbury,oxf. occ. warehouse clerk. head.
mary ann watson age 56. b. brackley,northants. wife.
florence ellen watson age 21. b. oxfordshire. daughter.
living at; 5,rupert street,tettenhall road,wolverhampton,staffs.
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think this is possibly the birth you are looking for.
name; florence ellen watson
y.o.r. 1859
qtr. jul/aug/sept.
dist. headington
county bucks/oxfordshire.
vol. 3a
page. 493.
now just need to find the death of brian o'connor before 1903.
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in 1901 florence was living with her children in springfield road,edmonton she was down as being widowed.
so brian died sometime between 1891 and 1901.
unfortunately i cannot find a death
maybe SKS will have better luck
mick
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here is florence in 1861
RG9/918/51/24
william capom age 63. b. buckingham. occ. tin man. head.
sarah capom age 59. b. banbury. wife.
florence.e.watson age 1. b. oxford. grand daughter.
william bissell age 42. b. wolverhampton. occ. merchant.son in law.
sarah.m.bissell age 29. b. banbury. daughter.
jane wagstaff age 14. b. neithrop. occ. house servant.
living at;north bar street,banbury,oxf.
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Thanks yet again. Take me a little while to get my mind round all of this.
David
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and here is florence's parents in 1861
RG9/892/7/9
james watson age 47. b. banbury. occ. boot and shoe maker, head.
mary.a. age 36. b. brackley. wife.
arthur.w. age 5. b. banbury. son.
living at;57,observatory street,st.giles,oxford
reg.dist. headington.
the only query here is james's occ. in 1881 he was a warehouse clerk
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i'll give you time to study what you have got
if you want me to go further back then i will try to do so.
mick.
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Mick Thanks for offer, how far back do you think you could go on James Charles Sheppard. Sheppards are my roots, but I suspect a different branch.
David
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wh knows back to 1841 probably and possibly beyond that.
will have to wait until to morrow though have to brave the snow and go to work shortly.
mick
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sorry i must have misread when i said i could probably get back to 1841 i meant florence's family
to go back with james charles sheppard you will probably need the marriage cert of james and florence.
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Mick many thanks, anything on Florence family equally welcome. I to have to brave the snow soon, but it is raining at moment.
David
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o.k. here is florences parents marr index
name; james watson
y.o.r. 1852
qtr. jan/feb/mar.
dist. banbury
vol. 3a
page. 741
on the same page; mary ann caporn.
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here james watson before his marriage
1851
HO107/
james watson age 36. b banbury. occ. boot and shoe maker. head.(widowed)
living at; high street,banbury.
so james was married twice.
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sorry forgot to add living next door to james was his future wife.
1851
HO107/1734/394/35.
william caporn age 53. b. buckingham. occ. tinman and ----?. head.
sarah age 49. b. banbury. wife.
mary ann age 26. b. brackley. occ. governess. daughter.(unm)
caroline age 12. b. banbury. daughter.
william age 9. b. ditto. son.
living at high street,banbury.
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Mick Many thanks. Also for second message just come in. That didn't surprise me as there was quite an age difference.
David
Just about to press post, and next came in.
How romantic "He married the girl next door" Huge age gap from Mary Ann to next sibling.
Again can't thank you enough.
David
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here is james with possibly his first wife(or could be sisters) and father in 1841
HO107/873/2/24/11.
james watson age 55. occ. shoemaker.
james watson age 25. occ. shoemaker.
mercy watson age 20
mary watson age 15
living at; broad street,banbury,oxfordshire.
all born in couny
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Mick As you say could be sister or first wife. Again many thanks.
David
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Mick Assumption I know,but in Death indexs
Mercy Watson 1847 Henley (doesn't prove wife or sister), but does match him being widowed 1851 census.
David
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think the two girls in 1841 must be his sisters
found this on the IGI ext rec
birth/christenings
name; mercy ann watson
christened 19th jan 1821
place; great meeting hors fair-presbyterin,banbury,oxon.
parents james and mary watson.
name;
mary ann watson
birth. 14th oct 1821
chr. 4th dec 1821 at the same place as mercy ann watson.
parents. james and mary watson.
there is also a george watson and a thomas sabin watson both christened there with the same parents
cannot find james christening or birth
but going by this james probably married after 1841 and his wife died before 1851
so will not be able to find anymore out about james and his first wife.
will have a look to see if i can find his parents marriage.
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Mick Many thanks. Also for second message just come in. That didn't surprise me as there was quite an age difference.
David
Just about to press post, and next came in.
How romantic "He married the girl next door" Huge age gap from Mary Ann to next sibling.
Again can't thank you enough.
David
there could have been children between mary ann and caroline they could have left home by 1851
will have a look on 1841 to see shortly.
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this could possibly be the parents marriage
cannot verify though
name; james watson
spouse. mary simkin
date; 25th dec 1809
place. banbury,oxford
ext.rec.
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Mick
Once again cannot thank you enough. Any further messagesbI shall have to reply to tomorrow.
David
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ok. david
but here is the 1841 census for caporn family and there is another child
1841
HO107/873/2/folio missing/3.
william caporn age 40. occ. tinman
sarah age 35
mary age 15
sarah age 12
caroline age 2
mary perry age 35. occ. independant means.
livng at;(looks like)calthrope lane,banbury,oxon.
all except william and mary perry bon in county.
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and here is their marr
name. william caporn
spouse. sarah claridge
date; 7th jan 1823
place; banbury,oxford
ext.rec.IGI
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Hello Mick Many,Many thanks for all your efforts. I have just one question, in one of your early replies you refer to SKS. excuse my ignorance but what or who is SKS.
David
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it is just short for some kind soul(in other words can anyone else help)
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So simple Many thanks.
David