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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: IRISHHOPPY1 on Monday 02 February 09 02:15 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information regarding William Bond who married Caroline Penn, I am trying to find Caroline's parents I think the father was Richard Penn but unsure of the mother all I have is Ann.
Thank you
Irish
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Hi Irish
Welcome to Rootshcat....
Firstly I assume that this is the Marriage for your William and Caroline....
Chesterfield Derbyshire 1876 7b 737
BOND William
PENN Caroline
The 1881 Census shows
1881 Census England Derbyshire Eckington
RG11/3441/90/59
Renishaw? Near Lane End
BOND
William Head Marr 25 Colliery Engine Driver Warwickshire Nuneaton
Caroline Wife Marr 22 Warwickshire Nuneaton
Arthur W Son Unmarr 4 Scholar Derbyshire Eckingto
Ernest F Son Unmarr 2 Derbyshire Eckington
Elizabeth A Dau Unmarr 2mths Derbyshire Eckington
I will see if I can find Caroline in earlier Census for you
Karenlee
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This was the most likely, given the information that you provided...
1871 Census England Derbyshire
RG10/3613/31/53
Boythorpe Lane
PENN
Richard Head Marr 40 Coal Miner Staffordshire Kingswinford
Ann Wife Marr 40 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Thomas Son Unmarr 18 Coal Miner Staffordshire Kingswinford
Phoebe A Dau Unmarr 16 Pill Box Lid Maker Staffordshire Kingswinford
Fanny Dau Unmarr 15 ?ress Filler at Pill Box Factory Staffordshire Kingswinford
Caroline Dau Unmarr 12 Pill Box Bottom Maker Staffordshire Kingswinford
Ellen Dau Unmarr 7 Scholar Derbyshire Walton
Josiah SHAKESPEARE Boarder Wid 46 Coal Miner Staffordshire Kingswinford
Some of the occupations were quite hard to decipher sorry
Cheers
Karenlee
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Free BMD has a marriage
Stourbridge Staffordshire 1851 18 700
PENN Richard
PICKERING Ann
Karenlee
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1861 Census England Staffordshire Kingswinford
RG9/2071/112/13
Hull and Brock ?
PENN
Richard Head Marr 31 Coal Miner Staffordshire Kingswinford
Ann Wife Marr 30 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Thomas Son Unmarr 8 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Phoebe Ann Dau Unmarr 6 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Fanny Dau Unmarr 5 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Caroline Dau Unmarr 2 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Priscila Dau Unmarr 6mths Staffordshire Kingswinford
Next door was..
PICKERING
Thomas Head Marr 27 Coal Miner Staffordshire Kingswinford
Phoebe Wife Marr 28 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Sussanna Dau Unmarr 5 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Thomas Allen Son Unmarr 3 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Might be Ann's brother...
Karenlee
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There is an Ann PICKERING on the 1851 Census, born 1831 Kingswinford Staffordshire, parents Allen and Sussanna... as per the children of Thomas and Phoebe in 1861. So most likely the right family....
Cheers
Karenlee
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I have only been on this site for 1 day and I have learned so much I would like to thank everyone for helping me find my ggrandparents family.
Irish
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Hi Irish,
I am researching Ann Pickering's line (parents Allen and Susannah). Allen is from the Wrockwardine area in Shropshire. I have traced them back to the mid 1700s. If you would like to see what I've compiled, please inbox me.
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Posted by: WOLVERHAMPTON HIGGS
"I am researching Ann Pickering's line (parents Allen and Susannah). Allen is from the Wrockwardine area in Shropshire. I have traced them back to the mid 1700s. If you would like to see what I've compiled, please inbox me."
Greetings, WOLVERHAMPTON HIGGS -
I am interested in the Wrockwardine PICKERINGs, particularly the family of Allen PICKERING (b. 1804) who married Susannah CARTWIGHT. I believe his sister, Ann PICKERING (b. 1805), was my 3rd great grandmother. She married Joseph COOPER circa 1826 and moved to Pennsylvania, USA, by 1832, where Joseph was a Coal miner.
My research shows that their father was Allen (1750–1816) who married twice: 1st to Ann OLIVER (1752–1790) and 2nd to their mother, Sarah RIGBY (1772– ). I show a faint DNA Match between a RIGBY descendant, my father and a cousin of his, so that gives me some reassurance that I am on the right track.
My user name on Ancestry is the same as on this site. I would be interested in knowing if my research aligns with yours. Sorry. I can't seem to work out how message on here.
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Greetings -
Regarding my previous post: "My research shows that their father was Allen (1750–1816) who married twice: 1st to Ann OLIVER (1752–1790) and 2nd to their mother, Sarah RIGBY (1772– )."
Since that post, I have discovered Ann (OLIVER) PICKERING's Will (probated 1823) in the collection England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 on Ancestry.com. Ann (OLIVER) PICKERING having a Will, indicates she outlived her husband Allen P., thus he would have had no 2nd marriage. This means my previous theory is wrong and I currently have no idea for the identity of the parents of Allen PICKERING husband of Sarah RIGBY ((b. 1772).
Just wanted to clarify, so that I do not lead anyone astray with a flawed theory.
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Hi, I have just PM'd you with this message regarding:
Pickerings in Wrockwardine.
I have also been researching the Pickerings of Telford. It's my husband's line. However, my tree does not lead to the parents that you have identified as being Allen's (b.1803). I discounted Sarah Rigby as Allen's mother and placed him with another family. Allen moved to Kingswinford with his sister Priscilla and brother Thomas (who states he was born on 'Pains Lane', although christened Wombridge, which is the original name of what is now St Georges; and was the main road that now runs through it). I grew up about 3 miles from there. Allen calls his own daughter Priscilla, after his sister, and she appears on a census in Thomas' house. Allen's son, Thomas is also brought up by his (childless) brother Thomas.
I have his parents as Christopher (christened Wombridge, 1763, resident Wrockwardine) also called Kester and Hester on records) and Anne. Their children were:
John (died 1790)
Thomas (Christened 1798), who later moves with him to Kingswinford
Elizabeth (Christened 1801)
Allen (christened 1803)
Priscilla (christened 1806), who later moved with him to Kingswinford
Ann (christened 1809)
Lillishall is sometimes mentioned as being the area they lived or the parish they were christened in, but that was the name of the main parish, covering many of the churches in the West Telford area.
I discounted Sarah Rigby as Allen's mother, because her Allen was christened in 1809, and the other family seemed more likely as the sibling names matched.
Christopher (b.1763) parents were Christopher (Chrisstifild) and Jane.
It seems that the family originated from Wrockwardine village, which is quite far from the Pains Lane/Wrockwardine Wood area where Allen was later born. Allen's father was married at Wrockwardine village church. If you visit the church, you can see that is was a small rural village and many people used it as their family church, despite living in the 'working' districts on the other side of what's now known as Telford. Loads of the graves say ' ...of Wrockwardine Wood', or '...of Oakengates'.
The trouble with the Pickerings in that there were loads of them. I've mapped out every single Pickering family I can find in Telford, as far as I can go, and it's a confusing web. I'm really struggling to match cousins, aunts, uncles, siblings, etc once they grow up and produce their own families. Lots of Pickering families lived on the same streets (Pains Lane is mentioned a lot), even thought they do not seem to be connected. They are probably cousins.
It's interesting that you share a DNA match with the Rigby family. Perhaps I am wrong, or perhaps there is another link? I'd be interested to hear of your research.
Thank you
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Ah, I have just re-read your post and notice that you descend from Ann, Allen's sister. Perhaps then, you are indeed related to that Ann, whose mother is Sarah Rigby! Her brother Allen is perhaps not my Allen - the one who moved to Kingwinford. Most of the people on Ancestry disagree with me about Allen's family, by the looks of it. Although, I have not posted my tree on there yet. I believe I am right!