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Title: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Sunday 01 February 09 14:04 GMT (UK)
Can anyone try to find a marriage please? I cant find birth certificates either for them.

George White was 63 in 1881 census and residing in Tickhill
his wife was Charlotte (Kirk) and she was 53

Also at the address were.....

Ann age 17
Elizabeth age 15
George age 13
John age 9
Ada age 4

They were all born in Tickhill.
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 14:37 GMT (UK)


Hello Ann  ;)

Did you get the name Kirk from one of the children's birth certificates ?

Ann wasn't their eldest child - do you have them in the 1861 and i871 censuses ?  If not, would you like them ?

I think they would have married about 1851-ish ; their eldest daughter Emma was born in 1853.
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Sunday 01 February 09 14:45 GMT (UK)
Hi, would love the census records please. I think their eldest child was William who was born in Sheffield. To be honest I cant remember where i got the surname Kirk from for Charlotte it could have been off a posting i saw on Genes....am grateful for any info at all........thanks
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 15:11 GMT (UK)
Hi  :)

1871
RG10  P. 4714  Fol. 20  Pg. 12


North Gate, Tickhill

WHITE
George  Head  M  47  Ag Lab
Charlotte  Wife  M  42
Thomas  Son  17    Ag Lab
Catherine  Dau  12
Mary  Dau  10
Ann  Dau   6
Elizabeth  Dau  5
George  Son  3

all born Tickhill
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 15:21 GMT (UK)


1861
RG9.  P. 3513  Fol. 7  Pg. 8


Sunderland Street, Tickhill

WHITE
George  Head  M  43  Ag Lab
Charlotte  Wife  M  43
Emma  Dau  8
Thomas  Son  6
Harriet  Dau  4
Catherine  Dau  2
Mary  Dau  3 mth.

all born Tickhill.

As you can see, George and Charlotte dont seem too sure of their ages   :-\

At the moment, I cant see them in 1851 - I'll keep looking.

I really think you need some positive indication of Charlotte's maiden name,  and it would be very advisable to get one of the children's birth certificates   ;)
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 15:33 GMT (UK)


In 1891 Charlotte is a Widow, aged 67, living alone at Northgate, Tickhill  :-\
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Sunday 01 February 09 15:41 GMT (UK)
HI, thanks for the census info. Maths not a strong point with the White family  eh....hope you can find them on the 1851 census.

Do you get all of the census info from Ancestry? Ive been thinking about taking out a subscription but not sure what i get and dont get for the money
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 15:55 GMT (UK)


Well, I can't see them at all on the 1851   :-\

I've tried all the search tricks and wildcards, and I can't spot either of them - born between 1816 and 1822 in Tickhill.

Sorry   :-\
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Sunday 01 February 09 16:03 GMT (UK)
Hi thanks for all the census info. mmmm Im wondering if they were confused over dates of birth that they were confused over where they were born? I do know that Georges father John White was born in Gamston Notts.
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 17:28 GMT (UK)


Well, I can't see a George and Charlotte born Notts. either on the 1851.

How do you know about George's father ?
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Kennethmar on Sunday 01 February 09 18:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Annh
I have trawled through the same census with the same results. But take care there ar 2 george White's living in Tickhill with only two years between them on age, 1818/20.
Can easily confuse.
I am a member of Doncaster F H S & next time I go I will look at the church recaords for you for the marriage.
KenM
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 01 February 09 18:31 GMT (UK)


Hi Ken   :)

The "other" George - father Samuel on the 1851 - went on to marry a Frances.

There is also another George White married to a Charlotte - born Osset and they appear on the 1861 and 1871 censuses  -  so not them   ;)

I would be interested to know the outcome here :D  Don't like being beat  :D
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Sunday 01 February 09 18:37 GMT (UK)
Hi thanks to both of you. Would love to hear what you can find Ken.
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Monday 16 March 09 20:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Ken, any success?
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: Kennethmar on Tuesday 17 March 09 18:22 GMT (UK)
This is all I could find in the  Tickhill church records.
1891c Charlotte White Widow 87yrs North Gate Tickhill.
1881c George White 63yrs  Carlotte 53 yrs Tickhill. Ann 17. Elizabeth 15. George 13. John 9. Ada 4.
1861c George Ag lab Wife Charlotte Both 43 ..5 Children  Northgate Tickhill.Same address in 1871 & 1881  George death1890 Doncaster registered Q1 1891 9c  459.
This was the best I could do but as you will see they have a job deciding how old they were?
KenM
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 17 March 09 19:14 GMT (UK)
Hi ann
 Access to ancestry.com or co.uk.

You can buy 12 min vouchers and leaving one voucher untouched  to the last day gives you 12 days access to census trancriptions or your 11 vouchers for original views plus one for the last day. but not trees.
 about £7  from this you can decide to carry on and subscribe.

or if they still do 14 days free trial but usualy cost one month subscription after at least.

Last and best Libraries have free libraries edition to Ancestry. and email your original census lookups to your self from the library. and decide from there whether to subscribe or not

May have to  pre book a computer though at the library

Dobby
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: AnnH on Wednesday 18 March 09 11:07 GMT (UK)
Hi, Im all for a senior moment with the adding up but this beats even my maths!! ::)
 Thanks for all the info tho Ken.....now all I have to do is find a marriage ???
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Wednesday 18 March 09 11:37 GMT (UK)
Hi

Contact the local studies library/Archives (Combined service) Rotherham Yorkshire and Family history society there (find in Search on web) Also Worksop :-\ In Nottinghamshire (Both on border boundry) the nearest Town to Tickhill Library and FHS.

They will have loads of info on computer transcribed already and they charge little the for the service.

Last LDS IGI and other info worldwide have most parish register entries on IGI film/fiche at their libraries. Cost is about the same.

If you want a result on this marriage the above people own the gold mine and Just its down to luck and time on here.

Maybe Beed counter at Junior level
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Thursday 19 March 09 00:09 GMT (UK)
Hi

I been through all the marriages 1845 1865 in the marriage 1/4 year indexs for Nottingham/Derbyshire/south Yorkshire
For George White and Charlotte Kirk
The is only one with George White and Kirk

1850 oct-dec quater year. vol 22 page 481

female Emma kirk

District -Rotherham  county -South Yorkshire

The only other is George White X-?

There is two (George White one male name) males and only one Female not Kirk
 This does happen and need to contact Rotheham reg office
over this.
1855 vol 9c page 505

Nothing for Doncaster Notts

Also try Joiner directory of Marrages

http://www.joinermarriageindex.co.uk/search.php
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: chiefsub68 on Tuesday 15 May 12 20:18 BST (UK)
Hi - I believe these Whites are my wife's side of the family. Like you, I came across the problem of the two Georges. My wife's gt grandmother was Kate Maud White (b Tickhill 1895 and m Isaac Elvidge b 1882 Freiston, Lincs). Her father was Thomas b1853 and her mother was Emily b 1854. Thomas's parents were George and Charlotte (both b1818 - I think I took the dates from the 1861 census); George's parents were Samuel 1777-1866 and Ann White, and Samuel's father was John White. See my web page at http://bramhill.net/WhiteYorkshire/whitefront.html
Title: Re: WHITE/KIRK marriage
Post by: chiefsub68 on Tuesday 15 May 12 20:31 BST (UK)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_White