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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: vlancashire on Friday 11 February 05 14:01 GMT (UK)
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looking for info on frederick john lancashire born 1812-1815 anybody out there that can help. he married caroline denham in1836, but do not have any other info for him.
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Hi Vlancashire,
Welcome to Rootschat,
Did you look up your Lancashires on the IGI (at http://www.familysearch.org)? It doesn't seem to have anything that I could find on who Frederick Johns parents could be, but it has the christening of two of his sons, one who is also called Frederick John (b1839), and who then goes on to marry Eliza Ives and have a son who he calls Frederick John (b1860)
The Frederick John b. 1860 seems to be on the 1881 census (same website) living with his mother Eliza (widdowed) and some brothers and sisters at 11 Jane Place Southwark (RG11 0523/36 p.12).
If you are looking for your Frederick John's in earlier cenuses have you tried to find the birth certificates for the younger two Frederick Johns (1839 and 1860) as they are quite close to the census dates and so may give you the address the family are living at?
It should be possible to find these at either http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.1837online.com/
This may be the death GRO ref for the middle Frederick John:
Deaths Jun 1878
LANCASHIRE Frederick John 39 St. Saviour 1d 79 (from FreeBMD)
Hope this is some help to you,
Best Regards
Emily
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thanks emily
I know of the 2nd FJ Lancashire. It is the Frederick John Lancashire born 1810-1815 I'm stuck on. Its his birth and parnets I'can't seem to find.
I know he was born in London probably the city.
He married Caroline Denham, I have the marriage cert but know clues as to parents name.
Any idea's of where to look now.
thanks VL
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Hi VL,
So his father isn't given on the marriage cert? I wonder if he knew who his father was? How do you know that he was born in London, do you have him on a census somewhere?
The marriage cert should have the addresses of the bride and groom at the times of their marriage?
You could try a post in the lookups section of those addresses to see if there were any Lancashires/Denhams living there in 1841as they would probably be relatives.
From the IGI he seems to have got married in Spitalfields ChristChurch Stepney...you could try a post asking if anyone might come across any Lancashires in Stepney in 1841..although you really need an exacter address as there is no index....if you could find him in a census you would at least have a better idea of where exactly he was born.
Do you have a birth cert for either of his sons (Frederick or Charles) as these should have an address on and help you to locate the family in a census.
Sorry I can't be more help, maybe someone else might have more ideas,
Emily
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Hello
Unsure whether you're still looking for this information, but the 1861 census indicates his birthyear as 1815 and his birthplace quite clearly as Middlesex, Strand. A Coach Painter living at 1 Spencer St South, St George in the East with Caroline and children.
If this might be your chap and you haven't already got this informtion, happy to post the full census details
Regards
Jonathan
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Hi Jonathan
Fantasitic news and a great help. I checked the 1861 census but I could not find him. I would be very gratful if you could post the census details along with any family members living at that address. Sorry for delay in replying as only just got back from hols.
Thanking you in advance Vicki
Do you have access to any others pre 1861 details?
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Hi
Sorry for the delay but I overlooked this one ...
1861 - 1 Spencer St South, St George in the East
Frederick Lancashire 46 Strand, Middlesex, England Head Coach Painter
Caroline Lancashire 44 Marlboro, Wiltshire, England Wife
Charles Lancashire 19 Blackfriars, Surrey, England Son
Emily Lancashire 8 Thames St City, Surrey, England Daughter
Henry Lancashire 16 Blackfriars, Surrey, England Son
Sophia Lancashire 5 Deptford, Kent, England Daughter
Walter Lancashire 13 Thames St City, Surrey, England Son
Charles, Walter and Henry also Coach Painters
RG9/278
Folio: 129
Page: 22
Jonathan
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thanks Jonathan for this info.
Can you acess the 1851 census for this address?
vicki
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Hello
I'm doing a bit of housekeeping and noticed this older request. Wondering if you are still looking for anything on this topic or you have resolved it in the meantime? If you're still looking, this might be a tough one to find so do you have any further info to add that might assist finding them?
If we don't hear from you in a while, I'll assume the latter and move it to the 'completed' section.
Regards
Biker
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Hi Biker
I am still looking for any info on Frederick John Lancashire born 1815 The Strand, London.
All I know is he married Caroline Denham on the 4th July 1836@ Christchurch,Spitalfields.
He died in 1869 in Bow.
On the 1861 census the address is 1 Spencer St South, St George in the East.
It is possable that he had a brother called William born approx 1811,who married Emma Blackburn but as yet I cannot confim this. All the family were Coachmaker/painters which was a family tradition.This is what makes me think that the two families are connected.
Any info on where to search now would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Vicki
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Here is the 1851 you asked for, just for the record ... I think this is them, although perhaps they've got the Charlotte wrong?
26 Addle? Hill, St Gregory by St Paul
Frederick Lancashire 36 Painter (Journeyman) b. Westminster
Charlotte 34 b. Wilts Marlborough
Charlotte 13 b. Surrey Blackfriars Road
Frederick 11 b. Surrey Westminster Road?
Charles 9 b. Surrey Stamford St
Walter 6 b. Surrey Blackfriars Road
Henry 3 b. City of London
HO107/1528
Folio: 284
Page: 10
Biker
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Hi Biker
Thanks for that info, It is good to get the address. Yes it is the right family but both the Charlottes are infact Carolines's, probably is an error when the census was transcribed.
Any idea's of how to track down Fredericks John Lancashires parents, I'm not sure of where to go now?
On this census it is listing him as being born Westminster?
Thanking you in advance for any idea's
Vicki
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Hi Biker
Thanks for that info, It is good to get the address. Yes it is the right family but both the Charlottes are infact Carolines's, probably is an error when the census was transcribed.
Any idea's of how to track down Fredericks John Lancashires parents, I'm not sure of where to go now?
On this census it is listing him as being born Westminster?
Thanking you in advance for any idea's
I don't suppose this address is listed in 1841 census?
Vicki
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Hi Vicki,
1841 census. HO107/1083/6/40. 42 Brunswick St. Southwark.
Frederick Lancashire,25, Painter, born in county, no
Caroline 25 "
Caroline 3 yes
Frederick 2 "
Cissellby.
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Vicki
Regarding finding his parents, Emily has suggested a few things.
As for the census entries, his birthplace fits, as Strand is enumerated in and is a part of Westminster. If he actually was born in the Strand and you are going to trawl through the parish records you might want to start with the parish records for St Martin in the Fields as this is close. However this is a bit of guesswork and Westminster is a large area with many parishes so it might take some time and a hard slog. However his name is reasonably uncommon so ... :)
Good luck finding him
Regards
Biker
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Thanks to Biker and cisselby for the info.