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Title: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: magsbutler on Wednesday 28 January 09 11:50 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I have Ellen Bailey (or Nell/Helen/Ellie) b.1899 co.Tipperary Ireland, marrying one Harold/Henry Levi Bromet, (b.1879 in London). She is Roman Catholic, he is a British army officer, of Jewish family.

Family stories indicate they maybe married when Ellen was in her 40's, after she had worked in the Bromet household for a number of years.

I have no definite year of marriage, or parish... my question is, is it possible to search any kind of online index for the marriage? I've tried freebmd, to no avail; are there other search sites, please?

From previous help by kind rootschatters, I know that Harold/Henry was living in Hampton Court Road, Hampton, in the 1950's,working as an advertising agent.

It seems the couple ended up living in Ireland in the 1960's.
Any help much appreciated, to point me in the right direction to track down the marriage...
Cheers,
Mags.
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: Suttonrog on Wednesday 28 January 09 12:13 GMT (UK)
If she married in her 40s (ie 1940s) then there are no searchable indexes available.

You could trawl through the index for each quarter year manually. Ancestry have them on line but as you don't know when they married it will be a long job.

Rog
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: jds1949 on Wednesday 28 January 09 17:20 GMT (UK)
Dear Mags,

this is a real long shot but if [a BIG if] your Ellen got married in a Catholic church then the priest should have sent notification to the church where she was baptised so that her baptism entry could be endorsed. If you know in which church she was baptised then it might be worth contacting them to see if it was done. If it was done - then it should give details of the date and place of the marriage.

jds1949

Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: Shropshire Lass on Wednesday 28 January 09 18:17 GMT (UK)
I don't think that they would have been allowed to get married in a RC church at the time unless he converted.  Are there any family stories to that effect?
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: jds1949 on Wednesday 28 January 09 18:56 GMT (UK)
As I understand it he wouldn't have had to convert to Catholicism - but he would probably have had to undertake to bring up the children as Catholics - but as I wrote before it is a long shot.

jds1949
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: amber39 on Thursday 29 January 09 10:42 GMT (UK)
I could only see 3 Bromet marriages between 1940 and 1950 (inclusive).
The one you want is between  Harold L. Bromet and Nellie C. Bailey in 1949 (3) in Surrey N.   5g 992.
Just as a matter of interest one of the other marriages was between a Henry/Harold Bromet and an Alice Crisp in 1940(1) in Marylebone   1a 1719.

Regards  Amber39
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: magsbutler on Thursday 29 January 09 11:16 GMT (UK)
Dear Rog, JDS and Shropshire Lass,
Many thanks for all your suggestions. There were no children born of this marriage; I will ask a cousin in Ireland who is also related to Ellen Bailey, whether her family had ever heard of a conversion to Catholicism - certainly they went back to rural Ireland to live in their later years. And good idea to check with the bride's original parish in any case, so thanks for that too.

Amber - thank you so much! I am absolutely thrilled with this, you are a real gem.
With the ref you quote, does that mean I can order the cert from the GRO now? (Sorry, I'm  not up to speed with the English side of family history yet, all my research has been in Ireland so far (my parents are Irish, but I was born in Oxford when they'd emigrated here in 1960).
Interesting that there was also a marriage in 1940 - I have an address for H.L.Bromet from the 1935 phone book (from previous help by the most excellent rootschatters!), which is Ember Farm Way, East Molesley; also there in 1939; in 1953, he's at Garrick Villas, Hampton Court Rd, Hampton.And the same in 1958.


I must check a map to see how far apart these addresses are from each other. Harold also had a business address in London.

Amber, can I be so forward as to ask where you got your info from, please?
Thanks a million for taking the time to look it up for me, it's made my day.
I'm so happy!

Mags



Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: amber39 on Thursday 29 January 09 20:57 GMT (UK)
I am so glad to be of some help, its lovely to make someones day !!
All the necessary information for sending for the marriage certificate is given in the email. I suggest that if you are going to send for the certificate that you do it soon , as on Monday a new TV series of  "Who do you think you are" starts and the Registration Office will then be very busy. This is from past experience and you have to wait for ever for a certificate.
I got my information from Ancestry. co on their BMC section.

Regards  Amber39

Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: amber39 on Thursday 29 January 09 21:00 GMT (UK)
That last line  of my reply should have read :
I got my information from Ancesry.co on their BMD section
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: magsbutler on Friday 30 January 09 10:52 GMT (UK)
Amber,
Thank you again for all your advice. I will try to order the cert today, and see how long it takes....!
Kind regards,

Mags
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: Indaloman on Friday 30 January 09 11:21 GMT (UK)
As I understand it he wouldn't have had to convert to Catholicism - but he would probably have had to undertake to bring up the children as Catholics - but as I wrote before it is a long shot.

jds1949

Absolutley correct my wife was Anglican I was Catholic, we were the very first couple to be married in the church
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: amber39 on Monday 02 February 09 17:14 GMT (UK)
  One furthur snippet of info,  in the 1959 and 1960 Telephone directories Harold Bromet was living at , 
Holmlea,   Portsmouth Road,   Esher  Surrey.
I don't know if this is of any interest.

Regards   Amber39
Title: Re: Jewish/Catholic marriage - help please!
Post by: magsbutler on Monday 02 February 09 19:11 GMT (UK)
Hi again Amber,
Many thanks for this; I didn't know before, that there had been another change of address, so yes, that is interesting.
I've sent off for the marriage certificate, so here's hoping it will arrive before too many weeks go past! (Am looking forward to the new series of 'WHo do you think you are' later this evening...)
Thank you again for your help, much appreciated.

Mags
PS Will post here again if it turns out that Harold did in fact convert to catholicism, I'm still waiting to hear from my cousin in Ireland.