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Seeking any information available about my Great great grandparents, Frederick William Cooper and Mary Ann King. They are the parents of Alice Amelia Cooper, born 5 Nov. 1877, at 51 Willow Walk, Bermondsey. The birth was registered in St. Olave, Southwark.
I believe the couple had two sons, and two additional daughters, one named Rose. I believe Alice Amelia to be the youngest child.
Frederick was a tanner. Mary Ann may have been a cook/or domestic servant at Hatfield House, Herts.
I know Frederick was deceased before 1 Jan 1899.
I believe Mary Ann may have died before 1891.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Sorry,
At present we do not have any volunteers offering lookups on the resources you requested. We will keep your details on file and let you know as soon as the information becomes available,
Kazza.
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i have access to surrey 1871, but need more information to be able to do a search.
Were Frederick and mary ann married at this time? where were they born and what is their approximate age? who may frederick have been living with? (parents?)
Tara
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I'm afraid I can't be of much help. We know Mary Ann and Frederick/William were married in 1877 when they had my GGrandmother Alice Amelia.
I was told Alice was the youngest of the family. I was also told Mary Ann died when Alice was quite young so she was raised by an older sister(s).
If Alice was indeed the youngest child of several, I am guessing that Mary Ann would have been between 25 and 30 when she had Alice, putting her birthdate at around 1844. But I have no dates or locations and only assumptions.
Thanks for your help in any case.
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I had a look at the 1881 Census for 51 Willow Walk, Bermonsey and it appears that your COOPER's have been transcribed wrongly either by the enumerator or the person who transcribed the entry as HARBOUR for some reason or the other but I would say from the names and occupation of the father 'TANNER' and Alice aged 3 and another Rose aged 5 also wife Mr must be mary that they are your family I suggest you look at the original.
Dwelling: 51 Willow Walk
Census Place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Source: FHL Film 1341127 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0561 Folio 24 Page 42
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Wm. HARBOUR M 35 M Lewes, Sussex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Tanner
Mr. HARBOUR M 40 F Lewes, Sussex, England
Rel: Wife
Annie HARBOUR U 9 F Bermy, Surrey, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Geo. HARBOUR U 7 M Bermy, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Rose HARBOUR U 5 F Bermy, Surrey, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Alice HARBOUR U 3 F Bermy, Surrey, England
Rel: Dau
Arthur HARBOUR U 2 M Bermy, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Hy. HARBOUR U 19 M Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Smith
Hope this helps
Roma
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;D
Roma you are a miracle worker!!!!! It has been said to me repeatedly by my Mum and my aunts that my GGGrandad was known as "Harbour Cooper" but no one knew why, or exactly how it connected with him. There was no mention of the Harbour name on my GGrandmother's birth or marriage certificate, so we just assumed Harbour was a nickname William used.
But to actually see it in print, on something official is like unearthing a priceless relic! This has to be my family...and now I know Alice Amelia's siblings' names...my Mum always said she remembered an Auntie Rose.
This gives me a great new place to start looking. I can't tell you how pleased and excited I am that you went the extra mile and found this information for me.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!!!!
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Glad to be of help. Hope this helps you get further back.
Regards
Roma
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the sussex 1871 census is not on ancestry yet and doesn't look like it will be for at least a few months, but someone out there may have it. There does not appear to a william harbour in other counties in england so probably still in sussex.
not sure if you already have the 1871 census for mary ann but found this that could be her.
Name: Mary Ann King
Age in 1871: 31
Estimated birth year: 1840
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Fletching, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Hitchin
Town: Hitchin
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Source information: RG10/1368
Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Hitchin
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Folio: 6
Page: 4
Household schedule number: 13
Tara
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Thanks Tara!
I know Mary Ann was a servant of some kind, supposedly a pastry cook at Hatfield House according to family lore. This says ladies maid, but that doesn't mean it wasn't her.
Do you know if Hatfield House is in Hitchin?
Also the birthplace listed, Fletching...on the 1881 Census Mary Ann's is listed as Lewes, Sussex. Is that near Fletching?
Can see it is time to find my trusty atlas, although it does seem that many district names, etc., in the UK changed in the early 1900's so it gets confusing.
Altaira
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Tara,
OOPS! I meant to ask if there was a way to go to the previous page of this census and find out what the house was called, or an address for it, etc. for the place of Mary Ann's employment???
Thanks,
Altaira
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here you go - not hatfield house though - head is a banker - so no wonder so many employees!!! Sometimes in small places they don't write specific house names, sometimes when quite small only the name of the village - not very useful :(
on the 1871 hatfield is a different enumeration district to Hitchin, it is very close though.
enjoy
Tara
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Hi Altaira
Thought you might like these entries from BVRI
This one for Lewes:
KING, Mary Ann Blackman Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1 Mar 1840 Recorded in: Lewes, Sussex, England
Collection: St Thomas
Father: George KING
Mother: Mary Ann
Source: FHL Film 1067241 Dates: 1606 - 1881
There is also this one from Fletching.
KING, Mary Ann Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1838 Recorded in: Fletching, Sussex, England
Father: James KING
Mother: Mary
Source: FHL Film 1067170 Dates: 1618 - 1878
Unable to find a marriage for Frederick William COOPER or any other COOPER or HARBOUR to Mary Ann KING in the BVRI.
Hope you can find out which Mary Ann is yours. Maybe the Lewes one as they had son George maybe named after her father, whio knows!
Regards
Roma
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Disregard the Lewes Mary Ann just found this on Free BMD
Deaths Dec 1840
KING Mary Ann Hackman Lewes * 7 254
Roma