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Title: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: altaira on Tuesday 20 April 04 23:56 BST (UK)
Seeking any information available about my Great great grandparents, Frederick William Cooper and Mary Ann King.  They are the parents of Alice Amelia Cooper, born 5 Nov. 1877, at 51 Willow Walk, Bermondsey.  The birth was registered in St. Olave, Southwark.

I believe the couple had two sons, and two additional daughters, one named Rose. I believe Alice Amelia to be the youngest child.

Frederick was a tanner. Mary Ann may have been a cook/or domestic servant at Hatfield House, Herts.

I know Frederick was deceased before 1 Jan 1899.
I believe Mary Ann may have died before 1891.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re:1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: Kazza on Wednesday 12 May 04 03:03 BST (UK)
Sorry,

At present we do not have any volunteers offering lookups on the resources you requested.  We will keep your details on file and let you know as soon as the information becomes available,

Kazza.
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: tarajobrien on Monday 19 July 04 02:21 BST (UK)
i have access to surrey 1871, but need more information to be able to do a search.

Were Frederick and mary ann married at this time? where were they born and what is their approximate age? who may frederick have been living with? (parents?)

Tara
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: altaira on Tuesday 20 July 04 20:05 BST (UK)
I'm afraid I can't be of much help. We know Mary Ann and Frederick/William were married in 1877 when they had my GGrandmother Alice Amelia.

I was told Alice was the youngest of the family. I was also told Mary Ann died when Alice was quite young so she was raised by an older sister(s).

If Alice was indeed the youngest child of several, I am guessing that Mary Ann would have been between 25 and 30 when she had Alice, putting her birthdate at around 1844. But I have no dates or locations and only assumptions.

Thanks for your help in any case.
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: roma on Wednesday 21 July 04 09:55 BST (UK)
I had a look at the 1881 Census for 51 Willow Walk, Bermonsey and it appears that your COOPER's have been transcribed wrongly either by the enumerator or the person who transcribed the entry as HARBOUR for some reason or the other but I would say from the names and occupation of the father 'TANNER' and Alice aged 3 and another Rose aged 5 also wife Mr must be mary that they are your family I suggest you look at the original.

   Dwelling:   51 Willow Walk
   Census Place:   Bermondsey, Surrey, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341127     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 0561    Folio 24    Page 42
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Wm. HARBOUR   M   35    M   Lewes, Sussex, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Tanner
Mr. HARBOUR   M   40    F   Lewes, Sussex, England
   Rel:   Wife
Annie HARBOUR   U   9    F   Bermy, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
Geo. HARBOUR   U   7    M   Bermy, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Rose HARBOUR   U   5    F   Bermy, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
Alice HARBOUR   U   3    F   Bermy, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Dau
Arthur HARBOUR   U   2    M   Bermy, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Son
Hy. HARBOUR   U   19    M   Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   Smith

Hope this helps
Roma
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: altaira on Wednesday 21 July 04 18:31 BST (UK)
 ;D
Roma you are a miracle worker!!!!! It has been said to me repeatedly by my Mum and my aunts that my GGGrandad was known as "Harbour Cooper" but no one knew why, or exactly how it connected with him. There was no mention of the Harbour name on my GGrandmother's birth or marriage certificate, so we just assumed Harbour was a nickname William used.

But to actually see it in print, on something official is like unearthing a priceless relic! This has to be my family...and now I know Alice Amelia's siblings' names...my Mum always said she remembered an Auntie Rose.

This gives me a great new place to start looking. I can't tell you how pleased and excited I am that you went the extra mile and found this information for me.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!!!!
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: roma on Wednesday 21 July 04 19:05 BST (UK)
Glad to be of help. Hope this helps you get further back.

Regards
Roma
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: tarajobrien on Friday 23 July 04 00:36 BST (UK)
the sussex 1871 census is not on ancestry yet and doesn't look like it will be for at least a few months, but someone out there may have it. There does not appear to a william harbour in other counties in england so probably still in sussex.

not sure if you already have the 1871 census for mary ann but found this that could be her.

Name:    Mary Ann King
Age in 1871:    31 
Estimated birth year:    1840 
Relation:    Servant 
Gender:    Female 
Where born:    Fletching, Sussex, England
     
Civil parish:    Hitchin 
Town:    Hitchin 
County/Island:    Hertfordshire 
Country:    England       
Source information:    RG10/1368
Registration district:    Hitchin 
Sub-registration district:    Hitchin 
ED, institution, or vessel:    7 
Folio:    6 
Page:    4
Household schedule number:    13

Tara
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: altaira on Friday 23 July 04 03:30 BST (UK)
Thanks Tara!

I know Mary Ann was a servant of some kind, supposedly a pastry cook at Hatfield House according to family lore. This says ladies maid, but that doesn't mean it wasn't her.

Do you know if Hatfield House is in Hitchin?

Also the birthplace listed, Fletching...on the 1881 Census Mary Ann's is listed as Lewes, Sussex. Is that near Fletching?

Can see it is time to find my trusty atlas, although it does seem that many district names, etc., in the UK changed in the early 1900's so it gets confusing.

Altaira
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: altaira on Friday 23 July 04 03:38 BST (UK)
Tara,

OOPS! I meant to ask if there was a way to go to the previous page of this census and find out what the house was called, or an address for it, etc. for the place of Mary Ann's employment???

Thanks,
Altaira
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: tarajobrien on Friday 23 July 04 05:43 BST (UK)
here you go - not hatfield house though - head is a banker - so no wonder so many employees!!! Sometimes in small places they don't write specific house names, sometimes when quite small only the name of the village - not very useful :(

on the 1871 hatfield is a different enumeration district to Hitchin, it is very close though.

enjoy

Tara
Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: roma on Friday 23 July 04 07:55 BST (UK)
Hi Altaira

Thought you might like these entries from BVRI

This one for Lewes:

KING, Mary Ann Blackman   Christening
   Gender:   Female
   Christening Date:   1 Mar 1840   Recorded in:   Lewes, Sussex, England
   Collection: St Thomas
   Father:   George KING
   Mother:   Mary Ann
Source:   FHL Film 1067241   Dates:   1606 - 1881   

There is also this one from Fletching.

KING, Mary Ann   Christening
   Gender:   Female
   Christening Date:   18 Nov 1838   Recorded in:   Fletching, Sussex, England
   Father:   James KING
   Mother:   Mary
Source:   FHL Film 1067170   Dates:   1618 - 1878

Unable to find a marriage for Frederick William COOPER or any other COOPER or HARBOUR to Mary Ann KING in the BVRI.

Hope you can find out which Mary Ann is yours. Maybe the Lewes one as they had son George maybe named after her father, whio knows!

Regards
Roma

Title: Re: 1871 Census Request Surrey Cooper
Post by: roma on Friday 23 July 04 08:13 BST (UK)
Disregard the Lewes Mary Ann just found this on Free BMD

Deaths Dec 1840
 
KING  Mary Ann Hackman     Lewes *  7 254

Roma