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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: lostatsea09 on Tuesday 27 January 09 08:26 GMT (UK)
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ok i will try and explain the best i can.
my husbands grandmother married 4 first times and i have been trying to find her first husband
john bedworth,now on my father in laws marriage certificate(1947)he is down has deceased,because i dont know when he was born i have been going backwards from 1947 but cannot find this persons death any where.
im beginning to think he is not a real person lol.
any suggestions would be greatley appreciated
thankyou
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so is John Bedworth the 1st or 4th husband of your husbands grandmother?
have you found the other HUsbands?
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You could try searching for your husband's grandmothers details. Depending on when she was born, etc, you should be able to find her marriages, then trace each one to its end. It depends on your dates whether this will make your search easier or not. Otherwise, talk to any family still living, write everything they tell you down, then try to verify what they say one person at a time. I am still learning, but I think it would help if you had more information. :) Good luck.
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i know who two of them are but only found one of them
john beworth is her first husband the second is thomas sargent,her third husband no one seems to know,the last one i found is herbert barker
i have been searching my own family tree since 1998 and im still learning.
thankyou
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Hi lostatsea :)
Do you know the maiden name of your husband's grandmother?
Maggie
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yes a very common name ;D it,s smith
i did find thomas sargent on the burial register just now.
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Oh no - not Smith :-\
Did she by any chance have a nice, unusual Christian name that might help?
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when did she marry Thomas Saregent and under what name Bedworth or Smith?
you really need to try and find this marriage to narrow down the death and marriage to John Bedworth
when was she born? plus circa 18-25 years for a marriage to begin with ....................
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some possible marriages (having no years or place)
Jun 1844 Sergeant Thomas Burton 17 7
Sep 1846 Sergeant Thomas Newmarket 14 151
Dec 1849 Sargeant Thomas Northampton 15 627
Jun 1852 Sargent Thomas Spilsby 7a
Jun 1872 Sarsons Thomas Edmund King's N. 6c 692
all these have a Mary Smith on the same page
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ok i will try and explain the best i can.
my husbands grandmother married 4 first times and i have been trying to find her first husband
john bedworth,now on my father in laws marriage certificate(1947)he is down has deceased,because i dont know when he was born i have been going backwards from 1947 but cannot find this persons death any where.
im beginning to think he is not a real person lol.
any suggestions would be greatley appreciated
thankyou
The fact that someone is down on a marriage certificate as being dead doesn't necessarily make them dead - it might just mean that they couple didn't want that person on the certificate (maybe a family feud ?). Also, when you said "i have been going backwards from 1947", how exactly have you been doing this ? Searching manually can be quite a task unless you're pretty sure you know the district where the person died.
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just rereading and seeing that you have 1947 so the mariages i found are pretty unlikely
and John Bedworth she might not have married maybe just said they were married for convience
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John Bedworth is her first husband the second is Thomas Sargent. Is she likely to be using the surname Bedworth when she married Thos. Sargent rather than Smith?
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oops silly me, :-[
but just a thought if you know the marriage to the 4th person then ordering this certificate it should list all Marys pervious names late being widowed from and formerly her maiden name
a divorced woman should also be described as such
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her name is doris
she was born in 1903,i have no idea what name she went under when marrying these people
her last husband died in 1977 which was hebert barker.
my husband doesnt really know anything i voluntered to do this :-X
i dont think his sister knows much either,my husband does have a brother who lives in australia
i will have to email him.
goodness this is hard.
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Could she be the Doris Smith who married John Bedford, Mar 1929 Pontefract 9c 225?
Anna
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goodness this is hard.
You must think we've all pounced on you ! I assure you it's because we all want to help :)
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Hi lostatsea,
It is hard indeed :-\
Have you any idea at all which part of the country they are likely to be in, and did Doris have a middle name, or even and initial would help?
Maggie
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his name is john bedworth
but spelling mistakes happen so it could be
thankyou
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We really need some more information in order to help you.
You mention a 1947 marriage certificate for your father-in-law on which John Bedworth's name is mentioned. Presumably he is named as the father of the groom.
Am I right in thinking that the groom was not himself using the surname Bedworth at marriage? The reason I ask is that only two male Bedworths appear to have married in England & Wales during 1947 - both have births easily traceable on FreeBMD, according to which neither had a mother's maiden name of Smith.
If your father-in-law is no longer living, the provision of his name might be a useful clue - as would any indication of where in the country the family is likely to have been located.
Anna
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no my father in law was not using the name bedworth smith is his mothers maiden name
he was born out of wedlock and kept his mothers maiden name,my father in law never knew his father and there is no father on his birth certificate.
they were living in knottingley west yorkshire.
on my father in laws marriage certificate the step father is down has john bedworth smith in brackets deceased.
this is a hard one
but with my grandmothers brother i only had his name and not much else and i found him.
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no i dont think you have all pounced on me lol
it is hard and frustrating.
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Could she be the Doris Smith who married John Bedford, Mar 1929 Pontefract 9c 225?
Anna
I know you say your father in law kept his mother's maiden name of Smith and he was born out of wedlock, but I am intrigued with the marriage record Anna found and that I quote above, because Knottlingly is very close to Pontefract.
Maggie
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yes it is very close to pontefract
im going to get his sisters birth certificate who is amy bedworth to make sure it is bedworth.
i even thought someone might have misheard the name beworth for bedford i think i might be clutching at straws lol.
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Also http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl has
7 another 6 Doris Smiths getting married between 1922 and 1930 in Pontefract.
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Ah - you didn't tell us about sisters! All clues are invaluable. There are indeed two female Bedworth births with mother's maiden name Smith in Pontefract, in 1932 and 1933 respectively.
Hmmm...
There are no Bedford births with mother's maiden name Smith in the area at the time, so I wonder whether John Bedworth's surname might indeed have been mis-recorded as Bedford at the time of marriage, or an error made in later transcription for the indexes?
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thankyou all so much for your help it has been very much appreciated.
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the two sisters would be amy and jean.
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the two sisters would be amy and jean.
I didn't post their given names in case they were still living.
Anna
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no they have both passed away amy in 2001 and jean in 1994.
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just to let you know
that i bought amy bedworths birth certificate and her father is on it john bedworth
he worked has a coalminer (hewer).
well at least there is such a person ;D