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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Muffin41 on Monday 26 January 09 12:54 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for William Stone,´s wife´s surname.
William Stone born ca 1837, Somerset.
Married Martha born 1845, Bradford on Avon
In the 1871 census: RG10 1920 f 38 p 17
They were married without children.
In the 1881 census RG11 2047 f 133 p 16
Their first daughter, Annie was born 1864 in Bradford, the other children all born in Trowbridge.
William Stone ,head, French Polisher, born Bath Somerset.
In the 1891 census RG12 1604 f 54 p 11
William is missing in the census.
Martha Stone, head, married, born Bradford Wiltshire. Still living in Trowbridge with children.
When did William and Martha marry?
Did William die before 1891?
Can anyone help furtherß
Muffin41
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You say that William and Martha were without children 1871
1871 RG10/ 1920 folio 38 page 17 and 18 Trowbridge Wiltshire
Charlotte Street
William Stone age 34 French Polisher Bath Somerset
Martha wife age 26 employed in house work Bradford Wilts
Next Page
William Iles? Illigitimate son age 15 written as step grandson french polisher Bath Somerset
Frank Stone son age 6 Bradford on Avon
Emily Stone dau age 5 rest born trowbridge Wilts
Henry Hurbert Stone son age 3
Frederick Edward son age 1
Albert Alfred Stone son age 4 months
Pam
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Ooops, I never had the 2nd page Pam :-[
So Emily Stone aged 5 would be my Annie born 1864 in the 1881 census?
Muffin
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1871 RG10/1925 folio 20 page 31 Bradford Wiltshire
Whiteheads Lane
Samuel Archer age 55 Indian Rubber worker all born Bradford Wilts
Harriett wife age 52
Thomas son age 27 Cloth worker
Henry Cooper boarder age 37 servant
Annie Stone age 7 visitor born Bradford Wilts
Pam
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Hello no sign of William again did he leave Martha?
1901 Rg13/1933 folio 38 page 8 Trowbridge Reg District Melksham
3 Coopers Buildings
Frederick E Stone age 32 French Polisher Trowbridge
Lilly wife age 28 Trowbridge
Daisy dau age 9 Trowbridge
Alice dau age 1 Trowbridge
4 Coopers Buildings
Martha Stone age 55 M Bradford on Avon
Walter son age 17 french Polisher Trowbridge
Ada Rowan dau age 21 M born Trowbridge
Ada Rowan grandaughter age 1 trowbridge
1891
4 Coopers buildings Newtown
Martha Stone age 45 M Bradford
Emily dau age 25
Bessie dau age 18
Agnes dau age 17
Arthur son age 12
Ada dau age 10
Alice dau age 9
Walter son age 7
1881 Trowbridge reg district Melksham
William Stone age 44 French Polisher Bath
Martha Stone age 36 cloth worker Bradford
Annie age 17 cloth worker
Hubert age 13 using second name
Emily age 15
Fredk age 12
Albert age 10
Bessie age 8
Ellen age 6
Arthur age 2
Mary age 1
Mary on the 1881 census Ada on the 1891 census
Ada Mary Stone born dec quarter 1879 Melksham Somerset/Wiltshire 5a 126
will give mothers maiden name.
There are a couple of William Stones born Bath living in Bath but no French polishers.
Pam
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Mary on the 1881 census Ada on the 1891 census
Ada Mary Stone born dec quarter 1879 Melksham Somerset/Wiltshire 5a 126
will give mothers maiden name.
Pam
Not much help with the maiden name I'm afraid but baptised Mary Ada Stone 27th June 1876 St Thomas, Trowbridge parents William Stone and Martha
Rosie
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Hello
On the pay to view www.1911.co.uk census is a Martha Stone age 67
district Melksham county Wiltshire
There seems to be in the same household
Charles Pow age 30
Alice Pow age 27 maybe her daughter
Alice Pow age 8
Florrie Pow age 7
Might give you information if she is a widow.
Charles Edward Pow married Alice Stone march quarter 1902 Melksham Wiltshire 5a 196
Pam
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Hello, I do not know what happened to William after 1881.
Alice Stone aged 9 in the 1891 census, married Charles Edward Pow in 1902.
1q 1902 Melksham 5a 196
That was my first information, I do not have the marriage certificate to help further.
Muffin
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And was William´s marriage to Martha, his second marriage?
William Iles? Illigitimate son age 15 written as step grandson french polisher Bath Somerset - from page 2 0f the 1871 census has given me a headache!!! I haven´t found him at all later.
Muffin
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I guess William may have died between the 1881 and 1891 census.
I may have an insight into the illegitimate son William and where he got to.
NONE of this has been verified yet by me.
One of my ancestors, later known as George William Iles b1855 Bath Somerset according to 1881-1901 censuses was a french polisher at the time of his marriage in 1874 in London.
The oral family history says that he changed his name to George William Iles after walking to London for work at about 15yrs of age. But we thought he'd changed his name from Stone to his mother's maiden name Iles.
I believe Lydia Iles was the mother of illegitimate William and she married William Stone 1857. Lydia perhaps died 1860 and it looks like he remarried after the 1861 census this time to Martha probably late 1861.
Hope this matches someone's research - our branch has been wondering for over 20yrs who George William Iles parents were!!
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Thank you for your information tawyn :)
If George William Iles was illegitimate I would say that he would have used his mothers surname.
I have a number of ancestors who where born before their mother married. Then they used the married name of the father which was easier for the family.
Muffin
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Hello Muffin41,
William and Martha were my great grandparents.
I am descended from their son Arthur George, AND their daughters Bessie and Ada Mary .... don't ask, it's complicated! So you will realise that I have quite a few STONE genes running through my veins.
How are you connected to the family?
Jan.
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Hello Jan,
My connection to the STONE family is way of Alice Stone born 1882 in Melksham Wiltshire. The daughter of William Stone and Martha Chapman.
(In the meantime I have found out that her surname was CHAPMAN) I hope that I am correct there. ???
I have only entered Alice STONE in my family tree because she married Charles Edwin POW 1902 in Melksham. He was related to my family, also very confusing........... ::)
Muffin
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Hello Muffin,
(In the meantime I have found out that her surname was CHAPMAN) I hope that I am correct there. ???
I think you'll find that her surname was BROWN but I hope you have better luck than me in finding a marriage for her and William. I've been looking for ten years and I actually think William and Lydia EYLES must have never divorced - unless she died before William met Martha, but I have not found a death for Lydia either prior to William and Martha's first child being born, and the 1861 Census records William as 'M' (married) not 'W' (widower). That could have either been a mistake, or Lydia was still alive somewhere.
I have only entered Alice STONE in my family tree because she married Charles Edwin POW 1902 in Melksham. He was related to my family, also very confusing........... ::)
So I take it you are not a descendant of the STONE family?
My mother (now deceased) remembered "Charlie" and Alice Pow when she visited Trowbridge as a child.
Jan.
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Hello Muffin,
.......... the 1861 Census records William as 'M' (married) not 'W' (widower)
My apologies. The Census doesn't actually use the letter 'M' to indicate William's marital status, it uses the "Do" symbol. However, the meaning is the same - William was apparently married at the time of the Census.
Jan.
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Hello Jan,
You are right, I am a descendant of the POW family.
I have found two children for Charles and Alice POW, Alice Blanche POW, born 1902 and Florence Maud POW, born 1904, both in Melksham.
Did Alice married a Percy CONNER, 1925 in Melksham Wilts ???
Did Florence married a James NAIRN, 1929 in Canterbury Kent ???
That is all the information that I have about this part of my family here.
Muffin
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I can see a death in http://www.freebmd.org.uk (http://www.freebmd.org.uk) for a Lydia Stone registered Jul-Sep 1860 Wellington Somerset which may possibly be her, although that is before the census showing "married" for William.
I too am struggling for a marriage to Martha.
Can I ask how 5yr old William is recorded in the 1861 census - is it son, step son, grandson or step grandson seeing as though they were probably with William's (snr) parents. And was he listed as Iles, Eyles or Stone?
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hello
1871
I have had another look at the census page. It is Illigitimate son.
Pam
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I have not found an entry in the 1861 census for William Iles aged 5 years.
None in the variants either......
Muffin
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The Find My Past marriage reference for ALICE POW is actually CONNOR as opposed to Conner.
ALICE POW to PERCY CONNOR at Melksham 1925 Dec 5a 250.
Brionne.
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Hi all,
In 1861 William (5 yrs) is recorded as William STONE.
Yes, Florence married Jim Nairn and Alice married Percy Connor and I have a sneaking suspicion that somewhere in my notes it mentions that they or a daughter came to Australia and lived in Sydney. I seem to recall an uncle saying he had visited one of his Dad's relatives in Sydney who was called Alice.
Thanks 'tawyn' for finding the death of a Lydia Stone. I hadn't checked FREEBMD for a while so might consider buying the cert. to see if it is her.
Jan.
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Hi all,
Thank you for confirming my vague information. :)
Also for filling in some gaps, and giving me new mysteries to solve.... ;) :)
If I find anything else I will add to this topic.
Muffin :D
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Jan, just wondering if you can post the 1861 census info here, because I am having absolutely no luck finding it. ???
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Hi tawyn,
Don't go as I see you are online at the moment. I will get the 1861 details and reply in a few minutes.
Jan.
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1861 Census details RG 9/1687/28
The following information is an exact transcription of the information. The 'word' Do actually means the same as the symbol for ditto ".
William Stone, Head, Mar, 57, Dyer, Shepton Mallet, Somerset.
Elizabeth Stone, Wife, Do, 65, -, Bath, Walcot.
William Stone, Son, Do, 24, French Polisher, Bath, Widcombe.
William Stone, G Do, Unm, 5, Scholar, Do Do.
Hope this helps.
Have you found any factual evidence yet that your George was actually called William Stone before he changed his surname to Eyles?
Jan.
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Hmm no wonder I'm having problems
- findmypast looks like it only has 2 pages with that Piece & Folio number
- can't find them in Genes Reunited or ancestry either
- and nothing for that piece at a last ditch freecen search
I'm assuming that they are in Bath Somerset given what I found in findmypast.
No solid evidence - haven't been to aunt's to read the "cousins" letters yet. Not that they will prove anything probably.
The only reason I made the connection is someone on Genes Reunited has George William Iles, Lydia Iles & William Stone in their tree, but I can't see if they have George William as the son or not. But all birthdates & places match up.
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Hi ,
Have you tried this website???
www.bathbmd.org
Birth for 1856 - William George Eyles
Mothers maiden name: NONE (Illegitimate ???)
Ref: LW1/12/208 (For birth certificate)
Muffin
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Thanks Muffin had forgotten that one.
Looks promising George William Eyles and I know mine is illegitimate, which is generally what the missing maiden name means.
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Hi All,
I've just had George William Eyles birth certificate arrive today. Details:
When & where born: 27/2/1856 Workhouse in district Lyncombe & Widcombe Bath Somerset
Father: blank
Mother: Lydia Eyles living at the Workhouse Bath
Informant: Lydia made her mark. (illiteracy would explain spellings of Eyles and Iles - both were
used by various families around Bath)
I now have no doubt this is our young William Iles/Stone. I guess we will never know if William Stone was actually his father or just step father.
The short version of what happened to him after 1871 census:
At about 15/16 he walked from near Bath (Trowbridge I suppose) to London looking for work.
He found work as a french polisher once there and was employed in that field at the time of his marriage to Annie Brand in 1874. They had 7 children, the oldest being Annie Lydia Iles my great grandmother.
He later sold soft furnishings & lino through the streets of London from a barrow.
A number of years later he started a shop called "G.W. Iles & Sons" selling soft furnishings, linos, rugs etc. By the time of his retirement he had expanded the business to several shops. George died 1947 Battersea London.
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Hello, I am William & Martha's great, great grandchild. I am just starting to look at my family tree and had only gotten back to my great grandfather Walter Stone. You have all given me so much information. Thank you very much ;D If there is anything else you think may be useful to me please let me know. Thanks again ;D
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Hi 'JustStarting'
I am William and Martha great grandchild, descended from their son Arthur George, AND their daughters Bessie and Ada (it's a very long story!).
I have had a connection with another of Walter John's descendants in the past and wondered which of his children you are linked to?
I would be very keen to know if you have a photograph of William at all as I believe there is one floating around somewhere in a box in Trowbridge.
I have been working on the Stone Family History for about 10 years and have many times been at the point of publishing when along comes some more information that I have to check out. Walter's is one photograph I do not have included and I wonder if there is any possibility you would send one to me via email - if you have one of course.
Regards,
Jan.
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Hi Jan,
Sounds very complicated! My grandmother is Brenda. I have a photo of Walter but not of William but I have only just started so who knows what I will find! I would love to check with you if I have all the Stone family info correct that I have so far. Also if you have any photos. I would also love to see all the Stone family info you have. How do we swap email addresses?
Kind Regards,
Tracey
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Hi Tracey,
If you would like to email me at
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I will contact you personally. Send me what you have so far and I will check it out for you ... and add some.
Jan.
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Hi,
Just come across all these posts.
I am helping a friend with her family tree and George William Iles, born 27/2/1856, son of Lydia Eyles and William Stone, is her great grandfather.
George William married Annie Brand, and they had 7 children: Annie Lydia 1875, George William aka Bill 1877, Herbert 1879 (friend's grandfather), Florence Rosa 1881, Charles Arthur 1884, walter Alfred 1889, Frank Edwin 1890.
Walter Alfred died in 1892 but the rest survived and all married and had children.
Lydia Eyles is the daughter of Lancelot and Tryphena Iles nee Ollis who married 3/3/1834 Walcot St Swithins.
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Hi All,
Updated info on Lydia, mother of George William Iles as the wrong info is on this thread.
Lydia is not the daughter of Lancelot Iles as he died in May 1836, even though he is listed as her father on her marriage to William Stone.
After much searching I have finally located Lydia's birth certificate which reads:
DOB: 2 November 1838 at Saltford Name: Lydia Miller Iles Miller female
Father: Edmund Miller (carpenter) Mother: Tryphena Ollis formerly Iles now Miller.
Informant: Mother made mark. Registration district: Newton St Loe in Keynsham.
Although Tryphena states she is married to Edmund Miller, I have not yet found a marriage between them and when she does marry again in 1842, her surname is listed as Iles not Miller.