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Hi,
Does anyone know what newspaper might have been circulating in Rathfriland in 1874?
I am looking for a Notice of Death of an ancestor, John Moore, who'd been a shoemaker.
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Hi,
The earliest that I think there was a local paper published in Rathfriland was at the start of the 1940s. The obt. might have been in one of the Newry Papers, or if the person was well known in the Belfast Newsletter, The Northern Whig or The Belfast Telegraph.
Cheers, Sam.
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Hello Sam,
Thanks - would you know if there is a site for these papers' archives?
regards
Clive
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Hi Littleorme.
I found quite afew John Moores on this site. I only looked in the R'friland area hence one in there for kilkeel - not sure where bounderies where.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
Name: John Moore
Registration district: Newry
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
Estimated birth year: 1817
Age: 57
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 1
Page: 651
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00192
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Name: John Moore
Registration district: Kilkeel
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
Estimated birth year: 1854
Age: 20
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 6
Page: 453
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00192
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Name: John Moore
Registration district: Banbridge
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
Estimated birth year: 1867
Age: 7
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 1
Page: 163
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00192
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Name: John Moore
Registration district: Newry
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
Estimated birth year: 1807
Age: 67
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 1
Page: 662
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00192
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Name: John Berry Moore
Registration district: Newry
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1875
Estimated birth year: 1840
Age: 35
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 16
Page: 602
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00464
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Name: James Moore
Registration district: Newry
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
Estimated birth year: 1842
Age: 32
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 1
Page: 655
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00192
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Name: James Walter Moore
Registration district: Newry
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
Estimated birth year: 1873
Age: 1
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101587
Volume: 11
Page: 568
Digital GS number: 4200219
Image number: 00192
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
Regards
Peter
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Hello Peter,
Just a quick reply, before I look at your information more closely.
One or two look very promising. John's will proved in 1874, showed his wife as Catherine X, and named six children - two sons and four daughters, three of whom "emigrated to America", before his will was written in 1873.
One son - Edward, was married and lived in Rathfriland as a cobbler.
Edward was born about 1845 but I don't know where, and I've no idea when or where John & Catherine were married. I've had someone look at parish records for Drumgath, but cannot find John & Catherine or their family in Rathfriland.
Many thanks for help.
regards
Clive
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Hi Clive,
I don't know if you have visited this site. Its reasonable at £10 for a months access to their records.
http://www.emeraldancestors.com/
A search for the marriage of John Moore around 1864 ( he had 6 kids ) shows a few married to Catherines around that time.
Peter
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Hi Pete,
Yes, I've used EmeraldAncestors with some success, recently.
I suppose my search for John Moore's family is too narrow. His children, and all who followed were/are RC. There are several nuns and priests in the family. I've tended to look in Co Down and RC records- when there's no guarantee that John was RC himself.
Very interested in information from Family Search. All new to me. Is it recent?
bfn
Clive
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Hi Clive,
This part of the Mormons site was recently launched and is at "pilot" stage so it may not always work. Searching is a bit of a learning curve.
There is a good search site which also uses the LDS (Mormon)site but not much coverage in Ireland.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#PageTitle
This might be useful for other areas.
Happy hunting
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Thanks, I've found Hugh Wallis's site useful searching for my own family in Staffs and Cornwall. I agree there's not much original records in Ireland to give a basis for anyone's research - at least not on the internet. I'm grateful for anything that can give me a clue!
bfn
Clive
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Hi, Clive -
Sorry to dust off such an old thread, but I couldn't seem to PM you.
I think the John Moore (shoemaker) you mention is my great-great-great-grandfather. My grandfather's father was the son of John Conlon and Margaret Moore, who were married in Rathfriland in 1864. On their marriage certificate, Margaret (aged 17 at the time) lists her father and his occupation as John Moore, a shoemaker. I have John's death certificate, but have not yet been able to obtain information on when (and to who) he was married, or when he was born (all I have to go on there is the age given on his death certificate.)
Hopefully we have the same John Moore and can be of some help to each other.
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Hello!
It was in fact 2009 when I first posted this request! I've forgotten all about it.
John Moore's children were Thomas, Margaret, Mary, Sarah and Bridget. In his will, dated 1873, he writes that the latter three daughters were already in America. (I'd love to know what happened to them).
I believe that John and Catherine X were married in 1845, so Margaret might well have been 17 years old in 1864 at her marriage. I thought her husband was John "someone", but I didn't have his surname. If you don't have John Moore's will I'll share the contents with you.
Fingers crossed!
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Oh that'd be great if you could share his will! In case you don't know, his daughter Margaret died in her 40s in 1888, and she was living in Belfast at that point. At PRONI recently I found a listing for John Moore in the 1864 directory as having a shoe-making shop on Downpatrick Street in Rathfriland. In the 1877 directory, the shop is then being run by Thomas Moore, who I assume was his son.
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I am new to this site and have just looked at your post.
Rathfriland has a local newspaper the "outlook" (don't know when it was launched).
Locals also use a Banbridge paper think it's the "leader"
Don't know if this helps
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Thanks for the info.